Hit the nail on the head - get rid of rules, limitations and electronics AND GET BACK TO TOP LEVEL PROTOTYPE RACING
Hit the nail on the head - get rid of rules, limitations and electronics AND GET BACK TO TOP LEVEL PROTOTYPE RACING
Again we arent' really seeing the best riders in the world on the fastest bikes in the world going head to head, whos knows whos engine is in what state of tune, let alone the fuel restriction sensors detuning as they race!
Obviously Jorges donks are running pretty hot, being the only one to pop.
Not really to well thought out by Dorna-they didn't really consider crashes.
Nickys engine detuned? Still? I thought they only did that to him at Honda in 06? Dare I mention the 'B' word
Obviously Jorges donks are running pretty hot, being the only one to pop.
Not really to well thought out by Dorna-they didn't really consider crashes.
Nickys engine detuned? Still? I thought they only did that to him at Honda in 06? Dare I mention the 'B' word
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siebenbürgen süße heimat!
of course!
i wasn't 100% serious when i said it, and of course,this favoratism is obvious and not good for the sport
but the thing is,rules for this season ARE ......, and really, what other options are there?
if it was up to me,i'd grant suzuki an extra engine or two and do everything that cna be possibly done to have a good set of rules for the 800s for at least their last year.
but right now there is not much else that can be done if you don't want to risk suzuki quitting and i really fear that would be a disaster because i hope they can catch up a little as soons as we return to 1000cc and they are forced to run a satellite team or 2.
don't forget they main purpose for a company to compete in motogp is advertisement. now think about how many people watched motogp in the last years and thought "hell yeah, i'm gonna buy a gsx-r".
its bad enough as it is. the last thing they need is their slow ,uncompetitve machines to blow up regulary in the last rounds.that would be a marketing blow they could not recover from for years
This is such a .... situation.......
I really feel sorry for Suzuki and the riders, but this engine rule is the latest in dumb ..., short sighted decisions by the ......... that run MotoGP. Dorma now have no option but to allow Suzuki (and now every other team) to use additional engines if required. What about the wasted energy of Yam, Honda and Duc to develop long life engines.
Dorma needs to start running this series like a business, not a hobby. Business is business, and the strongest prosper. Suzuki is much larger than Ducati or Aprilia, and they have the capacity to be competative, but there needs to be more incentive for them to be successful.
It is up to Suzuki to be successful.
Suzuki needs a decent business manager to raise some decent sponsorship money, to give the race team a reasonable budget. Axe anyone in the team not performing.
Here is some suggestions.....
1. The bikes need to go back to 1000cc, with less restrictions. If manufacturers want to tune their engines to last one session, or the whole season, it should be up to them. Once the rules are fixed, don't .... with them, for minimum of 5 years.
2. Allow teams to run modified production engines, if thats what they want to do.
3. Dorma should allocate a percentage of the commercial rights of MotoGP to the team owners, lets say 75%. That way the team owners have a stake in the sport, and they get a return on their investment to run a team.
4. Set up a Board of Directors to run the sport, with Directors appointed either from within or from outside by a vote of all team principles.
5. Suzuki should get out and find a decent sponsor to provide a reasonable investment to the team. Sponsors are there (strike a commercial deal with a tyre supplier so every new Suzuki manufactured is fitted with that tyre).
6. Where possible, Dorma should give assistance to the teams to increase their income, rather than trying to artifically reduce costs, even if it means Dorma sharing a big chunk of their profit.
My prediction is that Suzuki will be gone with 3 years.
Dorma need to not only keep Suzuki, but they need to get Kawasaki back, and they need to attract smaller teams (Aprilia, MV, privateer teams). The way to do that is to make MotoGP a viable business, not artificially reduce costs.
I really feel sorry for Suzuki and the riders, but this engine rule is the latest in dumb ..., short sighted decisions by the ......... that run MotoGP. Dorma now have no option but to allow Suzuki (and now every other team) to use additional engines if required. What about the wasted energy of Yam, Honda and Duc to develop long life engines.
Dorma needs to start running this series like a business, not a hobby. Business is business, and the strongest prosper. Suzuki is much larger than Ducati or Aprilia, and they have the capacity to be competative, but there needs to be more incentive for them to be successful.
It is up to Suzuki to be successful.
Suzuki needs a decent business manager to raise some decent sponsorship money, to give the race team a reasonable budget. Axe anyone in the team not performing.
Here is some suggestions.....
1. The bikes need to go back to 1000cc, with less restrictions. If manufacturers want to tune their engines to last one session, or the whole season, it should be up to them. Once the rules are fixed, don't .... with them, for minimum of 5 years.
2. Allow teams to run modified production engines, if thats what they want to do.
3. Dorma should allocate a percentage of the commercial rights of MotoGP to the team owners, lets say 75%. That way the team owners have a stake in the sport, and they get a return on their investment to run a team.
4. Set up a Board of Directors to run the sport, with Directors appointed either from within or from outside by a vote of all team principles.
5. Suzuki should get out and find a decent sponsor to provide a reasonable investment to the team. Sponsors are there (strike a commercial deal with a tyre supplier so every new Suzuki manufactured is fitted with that tyre).
6. Where possible, Dorma should give assistance to the teams to increase their income, rather than trying to artifically reduce costs, even if it means Dorma sharing a big chunk of their profit.
My prediction is that Suzuki will be gone with 3 years.
Dorma need to not only keep Suzuki, but they need to get Kawasaki back, and they need to attract smaller teams (Aprilia, MV, privateer teams). The way to do that is to make MotoGP a viable business, not artificially reduce costs.
I hate to say it but it becoming more and more like F1...a ....... circus show. Rules changing as the season goes on... What about when they re introduce 1000's..if ever....they will change rules for every race.
Now Hayden rode around with a de tuned motor...and now the team must have a question mark knowing suzuki has 3 more engines...naturally all other teams will get this treatment...so they should re tune it and assume 3 more engines...
Bummer i would have liked to see what Jorge's team would have done seeing he blew one up already...
Now Hayden rode around with a de tuned motor...and now the team must have a question mark knowing suzuki has 3 more engines...naturally all other teams will get this treatment...so they should re tune it and assume 3 more engines...
Bummer i would have liked to see what Jorge's team would have done seeing he blew one up already...
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Tennessee
of course!
i wasn't 100% serious when i said it, and of course,this favoratism is obvious and not good for the sport
but the thing is,rules for this season ARE ......, and really, what other options are there?
if it was up to me,i'd grant suzuki an extra engine or two and do everything that cna be possibly done to have a good set of rules for the 800s for at least their last year.
but right now there is not much else that can be done if you don't want to risk suzuki quitting and i really fear that would be a disaster because i hope they can catch up a little as soons as we return to 1000cc and they are forced to run a satellite team or 2.
don't forget they main purpose for a company to compete in motogp is advertisement. now think about how many people watched motogp in the last years and thought "hell yeah, i'm gonna buy a gsx-r".
its bad enough as it is. the last thing they need is their slow ,uncompetitve machines to blow up regulary in the last rounds.that would be a marketing blow they could not recover from for yearsbad as it is,i think there is no other choice but to help them out. silly situations call for silly actions i guess
.... Suzuki, everybody playing by the same rules is paramount. If Suzuki is going to be allowed 3 extra engines, Dorna needs to announce immediately that everyone will get 3 more.If anyone is listening, this is a disaster for the series if the championship is lost or won by one of the contenders having to start from pit lane, while Suzuki is out tooling around on fresh engines. Making special allowances for any one team does not go over well with the fans and there sense of fair play. That is the attitude about sport here, im assuming the rest of the world feels the same when it comes to competition.
ehehe these were my initial thaughts too - they should be allowed to bolt the extra 3 engines together
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Is this why they are using ...... replacement riders(the engine problem)? To save engines by detuning them so much that they barely make the grid, and then using a .... rider as the excuse. Fiat only ran a replacement because dorna made them. I guess instead of letting the economy kill motgp, they decide to slit its own wrists.
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Your Mom's House
Perhaps Suzuki have planned for this from the beginning of the season,as there seemed to be an agreement that they would get help if needed before the season started.Besides,they are on engine no.5 or something already.Did they plan on starting from the pit at 4 or 5 races in the end of the season?Or what?
I think it must have been agreed on before the start of the season.
I think it must have been agreed on before the start of the season.
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Tennessee
The article said there was an "unwritten agreement" to allow Suzuki more engines if they got in trouble, but its still ......... They can play this lack of commitment game till the end of time with threats of pulling out if they dont get special allowances. Whats next. We already have them not having to live with the no rookie rule, now its they dont have to live with engine limitations. I say if they wont commit to the series, .... em, let them go.If Dorna cant meet the field requirements, to bad, let them subsidize a few bikes as their penalty for their stupid ... rules.
I don't see how the satellite teams fighting with Suzuki could possibly accept this ruling, it seems so unfair. I appreciate that it might be the lesser of two evils if the other option is Suzuki pulling out entirely, but i don't see why they should be given a performance advantage just to keep them playing the game.
