Stoner unhappy with Austria run off

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I don't know if any of you have already posted this. If it has been ignore it.

I do know people on here have been unhappy about the run off on the Red Bull Ring. Especially the tarmac off track. I think I read that people didn't like the last few corners. Now Casey Stoner has said the same thing but I think this is turn 2.

 
FYI, Stoner was not going all out. ;)

There is persistent paddock gossip that Stoner is using this test to gauge his competitiveness, with a view to racing as a wildcard at the Austrian Grand Prix. Given Stoner's long association with Red Bull, and the fact that nobody has raced at the Red Bull Ring (except for Valentino Rossi, who raced a 125 there in 1996 and 1997, and Jack Miller, who raced a 125 there in 2011 in the German IDM championship), it gives him the best chance of being competitive.

https://m.motomatters.com/results/2016/07/19/austria_motogp_test_day_1_dovizioso.html
 

I'm still not of the belief he is gauging this for a wild card.

He's already stated he knows he can put up competitive times in interviews, and there isn't a person that doubts that except perhaps the most ignorant fans.

Not sure if anyone noticed on the live timing, but he did an outlap, then set a 1st sector time in the I thought mid-18 second range, completed sector 2, and then pitted without ever completing the third sector. Most guys were sitting in the 19's in sector 1. We'll see what tomorrow looks like. Plus it's impossible to know what sort of programs any of the riders are running without the team explicitly telling us.
 
the results of the first test day:


It is believed Marquez lapped in the 1m29s on Honda's roadgoing RC213V-S, with lap times in the 1m24s-1m25s bracket predicted for MotoGP machinery. Marquez said he was not too fazed about missing the test. "Of course I would prefer to test with the MotoGP bike," he said. "[There] still remains two days for testing in the rules but we prefer to keep these for the new bike," he said.

Already there and then some on first day
 
Looking at the pics on Motogp.com, it seems Stoner is testing in next seasons configuration without any winglets. The others all seem to have them still.
This makes me think he probably has no intention of racing here. Of course he may have them on for day 2. Then it's anyone's guess.
 
Looking at the pics on Motogp.com, it seems Stoner is testing in next seasons configuration without any winglets. The others all seem to have them still.
This makes me think he probably has no intention of racing here. Of course he may have them on for day 2. Then it's anyone's guess.


You beat me by 2 minutes lol
 
Isn't Stoner a test rider? If he's only there to collect data to improve the Ducati than why would he only want to collect 1st place data?
As much as a pile of .... Ducati is, this is their only opportunity to win a race. Its a track Ducati favors,Honda has virtually no data there and everyone else has limited data.
Its obvious Ducati's test rider is only looking for an opportunity to pump up his already overinflated ego. This has nothing to do with the betterment of Ducati.
I hope he comes back so we can watch Marquez roll his ... and finally we'll see the real reason he quit
 
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There are video clips on motogp.com showing Stoner running at least part of the day with winglets.
 
Isn't Stoner a test rider? If he's only there to collect data to improve the Ducati than why would he only want to collect 1st place data?
As much as a pile of .... Ducati is, this is their only opportunity to win a race. Its a track Ducati favors,Honda has virtually no data there and everyone else has limited data.
Its obvious Ducati's test rider is only looking for an opportunity to pump up his already overinflated ego. This has nothing to do with the betterment of Ducati.
I hope he comes back so we can watch Marquez roll his ... and finally we'll see the real reason he quit

2 questions.

What is inflated about his ego given he was won 38 premier class races and 2 titles, 23 of those races and 1 of those titles for Ducati (which may vaguely explain why they rate him)? And was it not Ducati who asked him to come back and be a brand ambassador and test rider for them?

How he would have gone against MM we in all likelihood will never know, but to quote a guy who may have an informed perspective, one Shuei Nakamoto, "Marc has faster reflexes, but Casey is a genius on a bike". I personally think that while Stoner would likely match him for pace, MMs drive and imperturbability may have triumphed over a season.

As for dodging MM, Stoner when he announced his retirement was leading the premier class title race as defending champion and MM was in moto 2 barely surviving intact from colliding with Willairot and unable under the then current rules to go to a factory ride in 2013, and if any dodging was done it was by MM's manager who if reports are to be believed vetoed Stoner wild carding on a factory Honda.

You don't have to be fluent in Australian as I am to understand why Stoner left, it is in his book and many public statements, he believed Dorna were running a circus rather than a bike racing series. I doubt he perceived Rossi who was languishing at Ducati at the time as a threat on the track, but if he thought the sport would remain a circus while Rossi was involved I wouldn't call him wrong
 
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2 questions.

What is inflated about his ego given he was won 38 premier class races and 2 titles, 23 of those races and 1 of those titles for Ducati (which may vaguely explain why they rate him)? And was it not Ducati who asked him to come back and be a brand ambassador and test rider for them?

How he would have gone against MM we in all likelihood will never know, but to quote a guy who may have an informed perspective, one Shuei Nakamoto, "Marc has faster reflexes, but Casey is a genius on a bike". I personally think that while Stoner would likely match him for pace, MMs drive and imperturbability may have triumphed over a season.

As for dodging MM, Stoner when he announced his retirement was leading the premier class title race as defending champion and MM was in moto 2 barely surviving intact from colliding with Willairot and unable under the then current rules to go to a factory ride in 2013, and if any dodging was done it was by MM's manager who if reports are to be believed vetoed Stoner wild carding on a factory Honda.

You don't have to be fluent in Australian as I am to understand why Stoner left, it is in his book and many public statements, he believed Dorna were running a circus rather than a bike racing series. I doubt he perceived Rossi who was languishing at Ducati at the time as a threat on the track, but if he thought the sport would remain a circus while Rossi was involved I wouldn't call him wrong
Judging by reports he would only wildcard at PI or Red Bull.
Why would he only wildcard on tracks he can do well at if he's only a test rider? You cant tell me there's no ego involved in those scenarios
 
As for dodging MM, Stoner when he announced his retirement was leading the premier class title race as defending champion and MM was in moto 2 barely surviving intact from colliding with Willairot and unable under the then current rules to go to a factory ride in 2013, and if any dodging was done it was by MM's manager who if reports are to be believed vetoed Stoner wild carding on a factory Honda.

The other aspect with the oft repeated comment that CS 'dodged' MM is that were it not for CS' retirement than MM would not have been on the Repsol factory Honda in 2013 and in all likelihood the rookie rule would not have been removed as it was only removed due to pressure from HRC as the result of CS' retirement and HRC's desire for MM on the factory bike.

One wonders what would have happened if CS was riding for the money and took the offered 20 million to ride in 2013 .............. history may be different in a few aspects


Judging by reports he would only wildcard at PI or Red Bull.
Why would he only wildcard on tracks he can do well at if he's only a test rider? You cant tell me there's no ego involved in those scenarios

Red Bull ring would be because it is a track he has not ridden - he has made no secret that he would like to ride on tracks that he had not been to previously (COTA 2015 for one)

PI, well it is the home race and the best track in the world so why not.

If ego was involved he would still be racing and lapping up the limelight like so many others but instead he knocked back many millions to now be a part time test rider and ambassador whilst continuing to be the full time recipient of fandom ........ and the bane of so many 'fans', fans who continually say that he is in the past and best forgotten but who cannot forget him or the past
 

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