For the simple fact that he can do everything that Rossi does to win races, but Stoner does not make one single mistake. His Qatar win was flawless. When Rossi was dominating he would still make a lot of mistakes i.e. he would run wide or make a braking mistake, but he was very good on correcting those mistakes, Stoner has proved himself by show talent on the rider side of things, not making mistakes. Electronics can't do much for that. I know we call pedrosa pedrobot, but Stoner is the real machine!
Stoner is better than Rossi
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Give both guys the same customer Honda and Vale will score better than Casey. Every race, Vale will do so. Rossi won races with a customer Honda. Casey sucked big on the LCR bike and crashed too often in 2006 to be called a top tier rider.
Speculating who would go better on "equal equipment" is impossible to reasonably judge. Rossi was the best, now Casey is the best. That is as far as the comparisons can go until both riders finish their careers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 11 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imagine if they both rode Ducatis.
What then?
It could happen in 2010
Stoner would still kick Nicky's a$$. To be equal and fair, you'd have to run the same bike and for different teams with the same parts, as to eliminate preference to one rider. The number one guy would get the best. And at Ducati, that is Stoner. Even if nicky came in, I would see results not much better than what Melandri got.
What then?
It could happen in 2010
Stoner would still kick Nicky's a$$. To be equal and fair, you'd have to run the same bike and for different teams with the same parts, as to eliminate preference to one rider. The number one guy would get the best. And at Ducati, that is Stoner. Even if nicky came in, I would see results not much better than what Melandri got.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 12 2008, 06:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Give both guys the same customer Honda and Vale will score better than Casey. Every race, Vale will do so. Rossi won races with a customer Honda. Casey sucked big on the LCR bike and crashed too often in 2006 to be called a top tier rider.
and which customer Honda did Valentino ride? Don't say his Nastro Assuro 2001 bike was a non-factory bike ... that's a bigger joke than the drivel you wrote in the previous paragraph!!
You're argument is rather pathetic really and has no substance. To say Casey is not a top tier rider shows how naive you are!
and which customer Honda did Valentino ride? Don't say his Nastro Assuro 2001 bike was a non-factory bike ... that's a bigger joke than the drivel you wrote in the previous paragraph!!
You're argument is rather pathetic really and has no substance. To say Casey is not a top tier rider shows how naive you are!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Mar 11 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner would still kick Nicky's a$$. To be equal and fair, you'd have to run the same bike and for different teams with the same parts, as to eliminate preference to one rider. The number one guy would get the best. And at Ducati, that is Stoner. Even if nicky came in, I would see results not much better than what Melandri got.
Who said anything about Nicky?
Who said anything about Nicky?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Mar 12 2008, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Imagine if they both rode Ducatis.
What then?
It could happen in 2010
but in 2010, people wouls still say ,
"but stoner has 4 years on the ducati"
"give it time"
"the ducati was built around casey"
"rossi is now 33 and he is now too old"
"rossi of 2003 is better than stoner now"
What then?
It could happen in 2010
but in 2010, people wouls still say ,
"but stoner has 4 years on the ducati"
"give it time"
"the ducati was built around casey"
"rossi is now 33 and he is now too old"
"rossi of 2003 is better than stoner now"
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Stoner vs Rossi? vs Lorenzo? Compare if you want, but riders do not come much better than that.
The difference is not to be found in their skills, but in the level of achievement which will remain written in the annals of the sport and in their personality which may leave more or less of a mark.
Stoner vs Rossi? vs Lorenzo? Compare if you want, but riders do not come much better than that.
The difference is not to be found in their skills, but in the level of achievement which will remain written in the annals of the sport and in their personality which may leave more or less of a mark.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 11 2008, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Speculating who would go better on "equal equipment" is impossible to reasonably judge. Rossi was the best, now Casey is the best. That is as far as the comparisons can go until both riders finish their careers.
Well said Tom
Nothing further to say.
This thread can end now
Well said Tom
Nothing further to say.
This thread can end now
Stoner is a great rider and seems to be unbeatable at the moment. The combination of Stoner and the Ducati go together exceptionally well. Having said that to compare rider talent one must compare the totality of their respective careers. When Stoner gets to 7 world championships then you can start the Stoner is better that Rossi discussion, until then it makes no sense.
Also agree with Tom!!
Casey is doing better than Rossi at the moment. We can't say more really.
It's difficult to answer, cause if you look at who's better at the moment, it's Stoner, if you look at what Rossi achieved, and the way he did it, Rossi is better, obviously. Put them on the same bike, and I think Rossi would win...just a feeling of course.
Casey is doing better than Rossi at the moment. We can't say more really.
It's difficult to answer, cause if you look at who's better at the moment, it's Stoner, if you look at what Rossi achieved, and the way he did it, Rossi is better, obviously. Put them on the same bike, and I think Rossi would win...just a feeling of course.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 12 2008, 01:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is a great rider and seems to be unbeatable at the moment. The combination of Stoner and the Ducati go together exceptionally well. Having said that to compare rider talent one must compare the totality of their respective careers. When Stoner gets to 7 world championships then you can start the Stoner is better that Rossi discussion, until then it makes no sense.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Mar 11 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For the simple fact that he can do everything that Rossi does to win races, but Stoner does not make one single mistake. His Qatar win was flawless. When Rossi was dominating he would still make a lot of mistakes i.e. he would run wide or make a braking mistake, but he was very good on correcting those mistakes, Stoner has proved himself by show talent on the rider side of things, not making mistakes. Electronics can't do much for that. I know we call pedrosa pedrobot, but Stoner is the real machine!
last post off me before im off from this forum, good post.....not
few flaws in ur post first being is how much easier the bikes are to ride compared to older ones ( i would like to see any rider ride them older mosters perfectly), 2nd casey didnt make alot of mistakes in 06 did he? (without a good setup for his style), 3rd i think anyone would be flawless when they have a pefect setup for themselves why do you think the ducati hasnt changed?,4th your a fool
the difference is that the bikes have come along was in the last few years, we know you still have to be a good rider to ride todays machine but the older ones werent so forgiving, you cant even compare because back a few years you give it to much throttle and ur spinning out these days you give it to much and the traction control stops you spinning out, so from older bikes to new ones you cant compare because they are a different kind of machine.
this sort of thing is wat the argument was about before saying that if riders cant control them selves under pressure .... it, let them spin out why should a computer be the judge of that???.
im really fed up with these arguments now they was ok in the beggining but now taking the piss, rossi and stoner are both amazing stoner is better than rossi at the moment obviously and il gladly admit that but go back to 06 who was the best then??? (dont say hayden lol) has rossi fell this much since 06?? bulshhit he has.
just shows what a pakage can do for you isnt it??? some could say casey was the worst rider in 06 for binning it so many times couldnt they?(he just needed the rite combination), like i said before it has ALOT to do with the pakage.
im not saying if rossi had the perfect pakage he would beat stoner or if stoner had a perfect pakage he would beat rossi......... wait a minute your going to say "but he already does" no no no thats not the point im just saying that the pakage makes a big difference.
people dont turn it around that quick (stoner) nor do they become poor that quick (rossi), so for you lot saying rossi is to old , hes lost it , it happens to all riders when they get old, you can kiss my ....... ..., for rossi's fall as you call it what if it really is the pakage???
is it worth pointing the finger and saying your crap your nothing anymore??? couldnt i say that about stoners first motogp year??? cos its exactly the same thing your doing to rossi, saying someone is .... because they cant do what the want cos the pakage doesnt suit them as they want???
ive had enough, rossis tyre issue on the weekend i bet about 70% thinks its cos he lost it rite?
WRONG! give him time and he will be back maybe not like before but to discount now is the most stupid thing you can do, lets just see what happens after a few more races.
give the guy a chance on the stones its gonna take time.
so barryclown , pinkytit , noodlefool dont bother replying cos your opinion doesnt count to me anyway. actually no one bother replying cos you dont listen anyway.
last post off me before im off from this forum, good post.....not
few flaws in ur post first being is how much easier the bikes are to ride compared to older ones ( i would like to see any rider ride them older mosters perfectly), 2nd casey didnt make alot of mistakes in 06 did he? (without a good setup for his style), 3rd i think anyone would be flawless when they have a pefect setup for themselves why do you think the ducati hasnt changed?,4th your a fool
the difference is that the bikes have come along was in the last few years, we know you still have to be a good rider to ride todays machine but the older ones werent so forgiving, you cant even compare because back a few years you give it to much throttle and ur spinning out these days you give it to much and the traction control stops you spinning out, so from older bikes to new ones you cant compare because they are a different kind of machine.
this sort of thing is wat the argument was about before saying that if riders cant control them selves under pressure .... it, let them spin out why should a computer be the judge of that???.
im really fed up with these arguments now they was ok in the beggining but now taking the piss, rossi and stoner are both amazing stoner is better than rossi at the moment obviously and il gladly admit that but go back to 06 who was the best then??? (dont say hayden lol) has rossi fell this much since 06?? bulshhit he has.
just shows what a pakage can do for you isnt it??? some could say casey was the worst rider in 06 for binning it so many times couldnt they?(he just needed the rite combination), like i said before it has ALOT to do with the pakage.
im not saying if rossi had the perfect pakage he would beat stoner or if stoner had a perfect pakage he would beat rossi......... wait a minute your going to say "but he already does" no no no thats not the point im just saying that the pakage makes a big difference.
people dont turn it around that quick (stoner) nor do they become poor that quick (rossi), so for you lot saying rossi is to old , hes lost it , it happens to all riders when they get old, you can kiss my ....... ..., for rossi's fall as you call it what if it really is the pakage???
is it worth pointing the finger and saying your crap your nothing anymore??? couldnt i say that about stoners first motogp year??? cos its exactly the same thing your doing to rossi, saying someone is .... because they cant do what the want cos the pakage doesnt suit them as they want???
ive had enough, rossis tyre issue on the weekend i bet about 70% thinks its cos he lost it rite?
WRONG! give him time and he will be back maybe not like before but to discount now is the most stupid thing you can do, lets just see what happens after a few more races.
give the guy a chance on the stones its gonna take time.
so barryclown , pinkytit , noodlefool dont bother replying cos your opinion doesnt count to me anyway. actually no one bother replying cos you dont listen anyway.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noodlerizer @ Mar 11 2008, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For the simple fact that he can do everything that Rossi does to win races, but Stoner does not make one single mistake. His Qatar win was flawless. When Rossi was dominating he would still make a lot of mistakes i.e. he would run wide or make a braking mistake, but he was very good on correcting those mistakes, Stoner has proved himself by show talent on the rider side of things, not making mistakes. Electronics can't do much for that. I know we call pedrosa pedrobot, but Stoner is the real machine!
Are you the new Pinky?
Are you the new Pinky?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Mar 11 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well said Tom
Nothing further to say.
This thread can end now
I also agree with this, although it is yet to be determined whether stoner or rossi, or for that matter somebody else, is the best rider this year.
Nothing further to say.
This thread can end now
I also agree with this, although it is yet to be determined whether stoner or rossi, or for that matter somebody else, is the best rider this year.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Mar 12 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you the new Pinky?
No way ....we own the No. 1 Pinky !! ..... the "Greatest Pinky of all Time!!" ..... the "one and only" ( thank god
)
Pinky is "out there" ... and proud ...... he dont care what he says .... and he certainly doesn't chuck a wobbly and want to go walkabout cos things aren't going his way ( well actually ATM its hard to say on that cos everything is going Pinky's way
)
So no don't you go copying our Pinky!! ... theres only one Pinky I don't think they are duplicable ... or should be??
Anyway Noodle is his own type .... he's the "i'm taking my bat and ball and going home" type.
Pinky is more the .... " i'm taking your bat and your ball and I'm climbing that tree and planting them up there in that high branch ... then when you climb up there to get them I'm chainsawing the tree down" ....... type
No way ....we own the No. 1 Pinky !! ..... the "Greatest Pinky of all Time!!" ..... the "one and only" ( thank god
Pinky is "out there" ... and proud ...... he dont care what he says .... and he certainly doesn't chuck a wobbly and want to go walkabout cos things aren't going his way ( well actually ATM its hard to say on that cos everything is going Pinky's way
So no don't you go copying our Pinky!! ... theres only one Pinky I don't think they are duplicable ... or should be??
Anyway Noodle is his own type .... he's the "i'm taking my bat and ball and going home" type.
Pinky is more the .... " i'm taking your bat and your ball and I'm climbing that tree and planting them up there in that high branch ... then when you climb up there to get them I'm chainsawing the tree down" ....... type
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 11 2008, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No way ....we own the No. 1 Pinky !! ..... the "Greatest Pinky of all Time!!" ..... the "one and only" ( thank god
)
Pinky is "out there" ... and proud ...... he dont care what he says .... and he certainly doesn't chuck a wobbly and want to go walkabout cos things aren't going his way ( well actually ATM its hard to say on that cos everything is going Pinky's way
)
So no don't you go copying our Pinky!! ... theres only one Pinky I don't think they are duplicable ... or should be??
Anyway Noodle is his own type .... he's the "i'm taking my bat and ball and going home" type.
Pinky is more the .... " i'm taking your bat and your ball and I'm climbing that tree and planting them up there in that high branch ... then when you climb up there to get them I'm chainsawing the tree down" ....... type
What are you smoking over there?
Pinky is "out there" ... and proud ...... he dont care what he says .... and he certainly doesn't chuck a wobbly and want to go walkabout cos things aren't going his way ( well actually ATM its hard to say on that cos everything is going Pinky's way
So no don't you go copying our Pinky!! ... theres only one Pinky I don't think they are duplicable ... or should be??
Anyway Noodle is his own type .... he's the "i'm taking my bat and ball and going home" type.
Pinky is more the .... " i'm taking your bat and your ball and I'm climbing that tree and planting them up there in that high branch ... then when you climb up there to get them I'm chainsawing the tree down" ....... type
What are you smoking over there?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 12 2008, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner is a great rider and seems to be unbeatable at the moment. The combination of Stoner and the Ducati go together exceptionally well. Having said that to compare rider talent one must compare the totality of their respective careers. When Stoner gets to 7 world championships then you can start the Stoner is better that Rossi discussion, until then it makes no sense.
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Well talk about stating the bleeding obvious!! ...... ( Stoner is better than Rossi )
Stoner won the WC by quite a margin last year ..... so Stoner is the better
Just look at the latest race ..... Stoner P1 ......... Rossi P5
In racing uually P1 is better than P5
I don't get it?
Stoner won the WC by quite a margin last year ..... so Stoner is the better
Just look at the latest race ..... Stoner P1 ......... Rossi P5
In racing uually P1 is better than P5
I don't get it?
