Stoner gets new parts to help with fatigue

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 6 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how do you figure stoner is the fastest man in motogp


Well its the one thing I agree with Rossi on .......... he describes Stoner as "raw Speed"

and

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/06...90213MWEA9X.htm

how do you figure otherwise


and

http://www.ocmoto.com/index.php?topic=11295.0%3Bwap2


and

I have control of my faculties

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 4 2009, 01:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are aware of the possible "image" you are setting up for yourself aren't you.

I mean you are a forum hero like the rest of us ......... Stoner is the current fastest guy in MGP ........ ...... and the shaky head smiley too

And your avatar picture kinda ads to the effect too


Stoner a ..... ......... what a ....


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 6 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well its the one thing I agree with Rossi on .......... he describes Stoner as "raw Speed"

and

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/06...90213MWEA9X.htm

how do you figure otherwise


and

http://www.ocmoto.com/index.php?topic=11295.0%3Bwap2


and

I have control of my faculties


Berry you really do live in a fairyland. You say Casey is the current fastest guy on track and then try to prove your point with a two year old article\blog

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 6 2009, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well its the one thing I agree with Rossi on .......... he describes Stoner as "raw Speed"

and

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/06...90213MWEA9X.htm

how do you figure otherwise

and

http://www.ocmoto.com/index.php?topic=11295.0%3Bwap2

and

I have control of my faculties

In the second article you cote Barry, it also says:

"From Biaggi to Gibernau and now Stoner, Valentino knows exactly what is going through their minds, he is incredible like this," Pernat said. "He knows what to do to deal with them. This is racing".

From your own article, so this is racing. I know a couple of rocket bikes that can go faster than Stoner in a straight line in a salt desert, but it means nothing at racing on a track!

The fastest 'Lap' (getting closer to racing) on Estoril October 4th was Pedrosa:

http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/...ssification.pdf

Also means nothing because he was 9.889 seconds behind at the checkered flag!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 6 2009, 03:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i didnt say anything about ducati, your alter ego did. i refuted your claim that stoner is the fastest guy in motogp at the moment. I asked you how you figured that out. im still waiting !
ironicly/moronicly you made that statement on sunsay the 4th when stoner only qualified 3rd, so again how do you figure stoner is the fastest man in motogp on sunday the 4th

¿ ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 6 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well its the one thing I agree with Rossi on .......... he describes Stoner as "raw Speed"

and

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/06...90213MWEA9X.htm

how do you figure otherwise


and

http://www.ocmoto.com/index.php?topic=11295.0%3Bwap2


and

I have control of my faculties
is that your argument ,posting an article nearly 2 and a half years old ? At the time that article was was posted (june 07) stoner was the fastest for that year . for you you to state stoner is the fastest in motogp last sunday having missed several races before last sunday and only qualified 3rd is factually wrong.
i had a little bet with myself, that you would refer to 07 in a feeble attempt to back peddle. did you think no one would notice ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Oct 3 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner Is a fast motherfer but his speed is not the issue, Him being a ..... is!

Jeez, how many times Stoner will have to kick the ... of all the all the riders
you consider sufficiently manly - before all the frat boys on this forum stop
calling him a .....?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 6 2009, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jeez, how many times Stoner will have to kick the ... of all the all the riders
you consider sufficiently manly - before all the frat boys on this forum stop
calling him a .....?
Winning and losing doesn't make you a ...... Being a whiney little punk in victory and defeat does.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 7 2009, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Being a whiney little punk on a forum does.


never thought I'd do this but ........



I have repaired it for you!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 6 2009, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>never thought I'd do this but ........



I have repaired it for you!!
Ha punk maybe, but I don't know that I am whiney. I will leave that to the cs fans & killio fans for that matter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Oct 6 2009, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>From your own article, so this is racing. I know a couple of rocket bikes that can go faster than Stoner in a straight line in a salt desert, but it means nothing at racing on a track!

Sorry V, I just gotta, hope you understand.

If the highlighted section is true, then why are people so focussed on the speed of the Ducati in 2007 as the reason for the domination?










Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Oct 6 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Winning and losing doesn't make you a ...... Being a whiney little punk in victory and defeat does.

Spoken like a true frat boy. Having "feelings" or expressing disappointment
or doing anything that doesn't conform to the Clint Eastwood school of
manliness makes a rider an egghead or a wuss.

Tonight when all the frat boys are laying back in their parent's finished basement
with a jar of cocoa butter a used copy of Maxim, the red-haired "whiner" will
be boning his gorgeous wife in the master bedroom of his trophy laden mansion and not giving
a .... what the frat boys think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 6 2009, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry V, I just gotta, hope you understand.

If the highlighted section is true, then why are people so focussed on the speed of the Ducati in 2007 as the reason for the domination?



Gaz

It makes it easier for overtaking... thats it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Oct 6 2009, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spoken like a true frat boy. Having "feelings" or expressing disappointment
or doing anything that doesn't conform to the Clint Eastwood school of
manliness makes a rider an egghead or a wuss.

Tonight when all the frat boys are laying back in their parent's finished basement
with a jar of cocoa butter a used copy of Maxim, the red-haired "whiner" will
be boning his gorgeous wife in the master bedroom of his trophy laden mansion and not giving
a .... what the frat boys think.

And this forbids other single riders from having all the fun in the world with drinks and as many umbrella girls as anyone could count?

And trophies too!

Keshav... there's a reason why CS has acquired the "....." label... Bet you never heard anyone calling this insanely fast Aussie a pussay...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Oct 7 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Keshav... there's a reason why CS has acquired the "....." label... Bet you never heard anyone calling this insanely fast Aussie a pussay...


Well at last someone has the balls to admit it!!

Yes Keshav back in Doohans days there was none of the bitching and whining that comes with the Rossifans, cos there was no Rossifans turning it into a English soccer fan sport.

Doohan told it how it was, so does Stoner. If you choose to ....., cry, moan, and whinge about it ....... go right ahead as Keshav has indicated, Stoner is having a great life ...... how about you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 6 2009, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well at last someone has the balls to admit it!!

Yes Keshav back in Doohans days there was none of the bitching and whining that comes with the Rossifans, cos there was no Rossifans turning it into a English soccer fan sport.

Doohan told it how it was, so does Stoner. If you choose to ....., cry, moan, and whinge about it ....... go right ahead as Keshav has indicated, Stoner is having a great life ...... how about you?

But then again... Rossi (or a lot of them riders) are having a great life... how about you?

Compare riders with riders and us normal people with normal people... not that anybody (including myself) are totally normal, but you know what I mean.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Oct 6 2009, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well at last someone has the balls to admit it!!

Yes Keshav back in Doohans days there was none of the bitching and whining that comes with the Rossifans, cos there was no Rossifans turning it into a English soccer fan sport.

Doohan told it how it was, so does Stoner. If you choose to ....., cry, moan, and whinge about it ....... go right ahead as Keshav has indicated, Stoner is having a great life ...... how about you?
WTF! how dare you compare the great Mick to Casey!! Mick is the reason why Casey is looking like such a little ...... Mick Doohan had to have both his legs casted in order to save one of them after a career threating crash. plus a number of other hard crashes. Now you have casey out fishing because he has a tummy ache or some .... like that, while everyone else is racing. The doctors couldnt figure out what it was, so that alone tells you it wasnt serious. I have a lot of Respect for the Aussie people because they are very tough people, maybe this is why I have such a problem with Casey sitting out three races , if he was french id be perfectly fine with it and understand. Jorge Lorenzo Won me over with his toughness, That boy can be half dead but as long as he can twist that throttle you better believe he is going to be racing! So ill end by saying Compared to me and the rest of us Non Moto gp racers Casey is Very Tough but compared to Mick or Jorge He is a Big ..... or for you brits ....!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Oct 7 2009, 03:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The doctors couldnt figure out what it was, so that alone tells you it wasnt serious.

Seriously, do you believe this?

I mean, before diseases are identified people do not know what makes them ill, so by your standards because AIDS/Cancers etc were not identified in the 1950's or earlier, then they were not serious for those that they affected.

Just because the Doctors have found little or nothing (again, speculation based on little information) does not mean that it is not a serious affliction.




Gaz

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Oct 6 2009, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seriously, do you believe this?

I mean, before diseases are identified people do not know what makes them ill, so by your standards because AIDS/Cancers etc were not identified in the 1950's or earlier, then they were not serious for those that they affected.

Just because the Doctors have found little or nothing (again, speculation based on little information) does not mean that it is not a serious affliction.




Gaz
When Marlboro/Ducati are paying for your medical bills Im pretty sure the doctors are going to Know if you are seriously ill or fit to race! I doubt any doctor will tell a terminaly ill patient to take a few weeks off from work and go fishing! then go back to work. I really Hope Casey is Ok (geniunely) and judging by his second place finish I dont think he is going to be kicking the bucket any time soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The California Kid @ Oct 7 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When Marlboro/Ducati are paying for your medical bills Im pretty sure the doctors are going to Know if you are seriously ill or fit to race! I doubt any doctor will tell a terminaly ill patient to take a few weeks off from work and go fishing! then go back to work. I really Hope Casey is Ok (geniunely) and judging by his second place finish I dont think he is going to be kicking the bucket any time soon.
As I have said before, a trauma surgeon or bunch of trauma surgeons not diagnosing a problem in the realm of internal medicine is not all that unheard of. The public relations aspect of this has been so appalling that it has the ring of truth to me, and all that casey ever said was that he was getting tired at the end of races for reasons he did not understand, and on his return that extensive medical investigations had found an explanation, if not one glamorous enough for you guys. He and his camp never claimed he had a life-threatening illness to my knowledge, or speculated at all about the diagnosis until there was one.

It would seem unlikely he is as tough as mick doohan, not that this being the case would put him into a particularly exclusive group, but has raced over his career with injury on many occasions like all these guys. He has through good luck or good management not had injuries as severe as some of the riders mentioned earlier, but in the days when he was "crashy" stoner did not seem at all deterred by crashing. It is possible that generalised fatigue/weakness and near-syncope might actually be harder to deal with than pain from an injury, where adrenaline may be a help.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Oct 7 2009, 05:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It would seem unlikely he is as tough as mick doohan, and if so is not in a very exclusive group because of this, but has raced over his career with injury on many occasions like all these guys. He has through good luck or good judgement not had injuries as severe as some of the riders mentioned earlier, but in the days when he was "crashy" stoner did not seem at all deterred by crashing. It is possible that feelings of generalised fatigue and near-syncope might actually be harder to deal with than pain from an injury, where adrenaline is probably a help.

Michael, this is an area that I have seen mentioned in many places (and you have mentioned previously) and that is that for physical injuries one can receive an injection that can go some way to masking the pain from that injury, thus JL riding with fractures etc. But, for internal injuries particularly viral or imbalance type of illness I would expect that no real medicine exists that could mask the effects thus, only rest and avoidance fo the situation will help alleviate it.

Personally I do believe that he has had something, what I do not know as I am not medically inclined, nor involved in any related industry, but for mine there is no way he could have faked the obvious distress seen at the end of the races prior to his departure. and nor would a doctor place himself into the position seen after Catalunya.

I have personal experience of Doctors who have not diagnosed an 'illness' where my wife had pins&needles (or numbness) down one of her legs that went undiagnosed for months until another Doctor listened. In our case we got lucky as we were advised by the surgeon that had she waited much more the numbness (caused by a 'blown disc in the back that had then started to grow around and crush nerves) woudl have been permanent and meant that she could not drive and woudl likely be a invalid for life. Doctors can and do make misdiagnosis, or simply miss the obvious when that 'obvious' is not within their specialities, just as you suggest and personally I tend to think that is what we have here.





Gaz