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Stoner critical of Hayden

What a stoopid beat up over sweet .... all - most of you crap on about Aliens and others to tuffen up and get on with it on and off the track but most of you do the same here via your posts whinning and bitching this or that.....heck its the net and the keyboard is your armour.

So the little fella had an opportunity to have a dig about KK-the Duc and VR - this would have been expected sooner or later this season DOH
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and so would any other ex rider when in their new team and on a good thing.

As for Talpa - biggest .... in sport quote - how do you know ? more like your eating it eh and it doesn't taste good
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who's a bigger .... then?
 
I see the Talpa the Faux Australian is handing out the "faux facts" again.



Find me an Australian who does not like Casey
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Talpa and Rob are two bopper brit schoolkids who got on here to create subterfuge ......... Rob couldn't keep up the subterfuge ........ Tapls is still going
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Poor old Talps copping a flogging he doesn't deserve. ( in regards to people thinking I was him)



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There is more than one ...... in the world you know ! ( that's my hand up !
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It's not that I don't like his riding...............just the whining. Takes the edge off, you know.
 
Poor old Talps copping a flogging he doesn't deserve. ( in regards to people thinking I was him)



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There is more than one ...... in the world you know ! ( that's my hand up !
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It's not that I don't like his riding...............just the whining. Takes the edge off, you know.





No I'm pretty convinced you aren't Talps now
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Stoner overacts no doubt & I wish he didn't.

But I certainly enjoy watching him ride.

Perhaps he gets off on being the bad guy I don't know, but some of his latest tantrums have been somewhat dissapointing.

He doesn't learn from them either.
 
Haydens drawl ..... me ( Dawg ...)........but that's my problem.



He's a nice bloke, pretty tough.........and amazing self control.



.......how many of us could resist the temptation to pound the crap out of Pedrobot if he did that nearly title wrecking move to us ??..........I know I would have been in serious trouble with the law, DORNA, and whatever/whoever else if it were me.



Pedrobot is as laughable as Hee-Haw going on about riding into Simo's leg when he (Pedrobot) is calling for Simo's blood.



....and Pooch is a .......



All seemed explainable and forgivable when Pedrobot did it to Nicky.........hurts on the other foot though....don't it !



Karma, I say...........it's almost the same move he busted on Hayden, except Simo had the audacity to stay upright and un-injured !





........not that Simo isn't a crazy ( possibly dangerous.........I mean, if we're only going on Hee-Haw and Pedrobots accounts, it's a joke) rider, who falls off alot......and may or may not change.



And Stoner.............you just said what I meant in my first post ( still trying to dig the shrapnel out over that one !
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I watch his rides and cheer.....then he gets to the Table ( or the media) and I find myself going " Awwww man !!??".................why Casey, why ??........just shut the .... up, let them do whatever they want and just ride !!!



Don't sink to their level !!!........but he does, time and time again.



Go to the Chris Vermuelen school of being a good bloke.......geeze that bloke handles himself well..........whether he's a great or not doesn't matter.........you'd have him over for a beer anyday.
 
I see the Talpa the Faux Australian is handing out the "faux facts" again.



Find me an Australian who does not like Casey
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Mate I hate to say it, but there are plenty of Aussies who prefer Rossi to Casey ..... and don't they endlessly crow on about it.
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I'm proud to say I'm a mad keen Casey fan and do you know why ?.... cos he's a .... hot rider ... Who cares about the rest (media etc.).



Just watching him reminds me of the Doohan days where he just looks different on the bike to everyone else. And it gives me the ..... bigtime that some of my fellow Australians are just straight out boppers. They'lll be waiting a long time before another aussie is world champ so let's get behind Casey now,
 
I wish Casey could reel himself in a bit and I have no doubt that his outbursts are doing him no favours, but a bit of perspective please.



It tends to go hand in hand that the most focused and competitive performers are often pretty intense and demanding personalities that result in not only sucess, but compared to most people , relatively unbalanced lives. To reach his level of performance, he has been racing competitively since a very young age. 4, 5 years of age? Not a normal life. Look at Tiger Woods and see the extaordinary skills he developed. But a normal person?? No. So I can understand Caseys outbursts, but I still don,t like them. They seem to mainly occur when he comes upon slow traffic whilst on a fast lap. I suspect this problem affects him more than most, because he is so bloody fast, that everybody else IS getting in the way! Most of the riders have made similar complaints, but I agree not as often as Casey. But at least you should understand why it affects him more than most.

Still, I wish he could temper it a bit. (antipun??)



But, off the track Casey is quite congenial and forthcoming. Most of the racing journalists enjoy interviewing him more than most for his candid interviews. When he has had the opportunity to gloat at Ducatis and Rossi,s difficulties, he has shown extraordinary restraint and sympathy. He also does not indulge in the calculated derogatory comments against his competitors as Rossi does. In the heat of the moment he gets cranky, but Rossi does it when calm. (Remember pre-season comments about everybody "being in agreement about disliking Lorenzo") Which of these two do you find more distasteful? I think the answer is obvious.



Read this article about booing.



http://www.trunkman.co.uk/motogp/Articles.html



Stoner has been booed by Rossi fans at the Day of Champions charity event, so that he now longer attends. THis year the same fans booed Lorenzo.

Not only has Rossi failed to do the right thing and tell his fans to desist, but he encourages this sort of behaviour, believing that any unsettling situations for his main rivals can only do him good. Now try to tell me with a straight face what a terrible person Stoner is and what a wonderful guy Valentino is.............................



Just wait while I vomit into my weetbix........................



All the rabid Stoner critics never seem to apply the same degree of scrutiny to their yellow hero. What a surprise!



But , unfortunately its what we come to expect.
 
Well said.



Much more balanced than I come across......but is essentially what I try to say.



The reference I made to thanking the poms who booed, was, by and large meant with toungue in cheek........no-one deserves that........( well.........maybe Biaggi
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Rossi is definately no angel............much more succinct, subversive and successful at deriding his opponents is all...... They all do it........some better than others.



Doohan with Criville was a shocker for it, I used to sit and think "Jee-e-e-ez......you're obviously better than him, he is going to copy your settings.....shut up and out ride him like we know you can !!!".....of course, that is back seat driver stuff, and just an opinion.







Stoner will hopefully get what he is after , championship, results and recognition..........(I think he already has it, but he obviously feels he has more to prove) and mellow with time.



Rossi, despite his flaws, is a champion, and his record not only speaks for itself, but he deserves it.



Only Lawson before him ( not that he's Lawson.......now there's a rider who couldn't give a rats arse what anyone thought of him, and spoke through the bike) has had the nuts to jump from one manufacturer to another, and win on them all.



.....and yes, I count Cagiva in there............took a pile of ...., and though the race win was down to an experienced gamble on tyre choice, took it from the back to the front in a season.



Yes, I know the bike being at the front was largely due to the massive amount of effort he put in during a race to keep it there......but none the less.........



And that when most people thought he was past it, or in it for the money.



In fact, I will go out on a long, very thin Limb, dangling over a crevis here............and say, did Lawson contribute to the exiting racing we had in the 90's by riding for different manufacturers and developing bikes ( with the aid of his crew chiefs) to a point where they were competitive enough for anyone to set up and ride well ( their talent not withstanding).



He certainly did with Cagiva......even bloody in-Kocinski ( inconsistant) could do well on it.



I hope Rossi and JB are as succesful in their attempts, if nothing else, it gives something back to the sport



The only thing I wished for ( and what's it matter what I wish for ) was that Doohan would have done the same..........he definately had the ability to. But what with the leg and such...........it may have been harder for him to achieve that...........the comment is not meant to be the shot at him it appears, more me trying to factor in all the reasons he may not have gone down that road.........Maybe JB didn't want to jump at that time..........it was/is a bloody good wicket.....and it's hard to bite the hand that feeds you when you don't know what lies on the other side of the fence.



It could be much worse than where you already are.
 
who's a bigger .... then?

You problem, young talpa, is that your only line of attack on stoner now being personal abuse/argumentum ad hominem is actually a source of great enjoyment for this stoner fan, and I imagine most stoner fans, as events most race week-ends further prove that virtually everything you have ever said about his riding or the advantages afforded him by the ducati is wrong. The more you call him a "...." the more we like it, demonstrating as it does how upsetting his success is to you.



As far as his attitude to dawdling on the race line, has it occurred to you that he may genuinely think it is a safety issue, and that, more to the point, it actually is a safety issue, particularly given that his attitude was formed whilst riding the ducati, a bike which according to no less an authority than valentino rossi won't turn mid-corner, and which moreover to be competitive requires being ridden in such proximity to the edge that valentino not unreasonably will not assay this himself? His attitude is completely consistent and without fear or favour regarding the status of the other rider, and seems to only involve riders dawdling on the racing line in a corner and early in the straight after a blind corner when he is on a fast lap, and not that I can recall on the straight when it is less of a safety issue. He is particularly annoyed when riders do it hoping for a tow perhaps because this is deliberate and not accidental. I also see no reason to disbelieve him when he says he has exhausted all off track means of addressing the issue, including the riders' safety committee and the stewards. I do think he probably should cut nicky above all others some slack though, both because of past associations and because he seems a particularly decent bloke.



He does not appear to be greatly in need of love, being adequately provided for by a devoted and proud wife and family, so the only people he really has to please are mr honda's successors, and going by pictures of him with senior honda managers they love him madly. As for posterity, his attitudes to tows etc are pretty similar to mick doohan's , and if he continues to perform in a doohan -like fashion in this and future years he will probably have sufficient status to be regarded as being entitled to his opinion and stance on such issues.



I am a believer in karma, and one thing I will not defend is stoner's attitude to marco melandri on an occasion in 2008 when marco was particularly miserable, in his arrogance not realising how close the ducati was to being unridable by him as well as everyone else, and karma could possibly be seen to be involved in stoner's travails in 2009. However karma is not only a ..... but also not exclusively applicable to casey stoner, and I see karma in how events are currently transpiring in view of the previous vicious criticism stoner and gloating in his misfortunes by those of your ilk, not that there are any entirely of your ilk, and to a lesser extent in view of valentino's and jb's pre-season comments.
 
I like Stoner for his riding abilities but he seems out of control with his outbursts this year. He has the best bike and the most raw speed in the paddock so just get out there and win.



Just out of interest I did a quick calculation. If all 16 bikes were on the track at the same time and all spread evenly through thr 3.6 mile circuit there would be apporx 200m between each of them. Not a lot at 200mph sure but the fact is the bikes wouldnt be spread equally. So Casey, stop whining and just find a clear peice of tarmac
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You problem, young talpa, is that your only line of attack on stoner now being personal abuse/argumentum ad hominem is actually a source of great enjoyment for this stoner fan, and I imagine most stoner fans, as events most race week-ends further prove that virtually everything you have ever said about his riding or the advantages afforded him by the ducati is wrong. The more you call him a "...." the more we like it, demonstrating as it does how upsetting his success is to you.



As far as his attitude to dawdling on the race line, has it occurred to you that he may genuinely think it is a safety issue, and that, more to the point, it actually is a safety issue, particularly given that his attitude was formed whilst riding the ducati, a bike which according to no less an authority than valentino rossi won't turn mid-corner, and which moreover to be competitive requires being ridden in such proximity to the edge that valentino not unreasonably will not assay this himself? His attitude his completely consistent and without fear or favour regarding the status of the other rider, and seems to only involve riders dawdling on the racing line in a corner and early in the straight after a blind corner when he is on a fast lap, and not that I can recall on the straight when it is less of a safety issue. He is particularly annoyed when riders do it hoping for a tow perhaps because this is deliberate and not accidental. I also see no reason to disbelieve him when he says he has exhausted all off track means of addressing the issue, including the riders' safety committee and the stewards. I do think he probably should cut nicky above all others some slack though, both because of past associations and because he seems a particularly decent bloke.



He does not appear to be greatly in need of love, being adequately provided for by a devoted and proud wife and family, so the only people he really has to please are mr honda's successors, and going by pictures of him with senior honda managers they love him madly. As for posterity, his attitudes to tows etc are pretty similar to mick doohan's , and if he continues to perform in a doohan -like fashion in this and future years he will probably have sufficient status to be regarded as being entitled to his opinion and stance on such issues.



I am a believer in karma, and one thing I will not defend is stoner's attitude to marco melandri on an occasion in 2008 when marco was particularly miserable, in his arrogance not realising how close the ducati was to being unridable by him as well as everyone else, and karma could possibly be seen to be involved in stoner's travails in 2009. However karma is not only a ..... but also not exclusively applicable to casey stoner, and I see karma in how events are currently transpiring in view of the previous vicious criticism stoner and gloating in his misfortunes by those of your ilk, not that there are any entirely of your ilk, and to a lesser extent in view of valentino's and jb's pre-season comments.



You are crowing awfully early, old mick
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Success with easily the best bike in the field currently by a large margin, without the only competition he has, from the repsol garage, even riding for the last two weekends, is hardly justification for anything, even Dovi and Sic don't have too much trouble with the reigning world champ on the legendary M1, let alone if Pedro was there too.



Rossi and Jb's woes are an extreme testament to what a poor state the Ducati was left in, as many know, they are the best at turning a bike around and they are still struggling, which compounds the fact that Stoner just got on and rode it with very little feel-and thus crashed a lot- meaning his Data was completely ignored or useless- Ducati's fault yes, and Stoners too.......and the problems are still trying to be rectified today, no one is saying that he is not a great rider, this season however certainly doesn't prove that he is streaks ahead of the other top guys at all, and the fanboy state of his support around here is as bad and worse than anything seen from Rossi's camp. These machines require the most finite balance of setting to gel with any circuit on any given day, with the least flexible Tyre supply imaginable, and are flooded with electronics and fuel management/GPS corner ECU adjustment to make it to the end of the race. JB and Rossi's window to create improvement with their talent for adjustment and making things work has been heavily minimized by restriction, and the engineers are the ones currently in control.



Stoner and Honda are winning races yes, but would he be winning on the Ducati this year? No Chance, would he be winning on the Yamaha? Equally no chance. Anyone who says otherwise is Boning incessantly. Once again his success is due to having inherited the best machinery on the grid. Coupling this with his outrageous behavior towards most of the field, and his ....... comments, only succeeds to provoke a deeper dislike for him amongst the greater racing fanbase- for its not as if he jumped on the Suzuki and Started blitzing the field now is it? Not too mention the growing dislike in the paddock- the riders will no doubt start to .... with him even more now..... Only a handful of patriotic Aussies and Diehard Rossi haters actually enjoy his attitude, like I said before-imagine the amount of support he would enjoy (including me
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All this success and still predominately disliked......Karma is a funny thing indeed.......poor Casey.
 
I don't think this is much of a story. Stoner is obviously having a little dig at Ducati but Nicky clearly wasn't taking it personally. As for the blocking, Nicky clearly mis-judged the situation and Stoner being fired up as ever had a go. The riders really should be more careful about getting out of each others way.



These often are the result of questions asked by journalists who then fan up the flames. Stoner has never had the nuances of diplomacy down pat, but he rides like a champion and like me (where are you Fred?) he started on dirt bikes, he is an avid hunter and somewhat anti social as I also am.



(For the benefit of Fred I rode dirt bikes on the mid north coast - Kempsey area - for years)



I like Casey, he craves the recognition he deserves as a rider and this year must be the beans for him, the Ducati looks crap even with the purported goat on it, but his dig at Rossi (and that's what it was) flung stuff in Hayden's direction as well.



As far as the problem with guys going slow on the race line in Fp or qual I'm afraid this is something that will end badly for someone, I hope no one gets hurt to prove this point.



Casey needs a PR guy real bad and some coaching (PR - not riding), but I've always said that and even offered myself up (still waiting the call).



The problem is that when Lorenzo had the dig quite openly at Simoncelli it attracted nowhere near the attention, because (and even Rossi has said it) Casey is the guy with the skills, he is the multiple champ in waiting and seeing the end of the Rossi era is hard to take, no one else can seriously say that "their" rider is going to win consistently against Casey whilst he is on a good bike, and barely have a much better chance when he's riding a .... one.



He is under the microscope and doesn't do that so well.



I do note of course the Gardner and Doohan were both prickly .......s, particular with the English, Italian and Spanish press as they rarely got a fair hearing back then and much the same occurs today.



Storm in a teacup - YES



My distaste at hearing a rider say what he means in a competition rather than talk with the greasy dissimulation of an oiled up diplomat - NIL



It's motorcycle racing
 
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Success with easily the best bike in the field currently by a large margin, without the only competition he has, from the repsol garage, even riding for the last two weekends, is hardly justification for anything, even Dovi and Sic don't have too much trouble with the reigning world champ on the legendary M1, let alone if Pedro was there too.



Rossi and Jb's woes are an extreme testament to what a poor state the Ducati was left in, as many know, they are the best at turning a bike around and they are still struggling, which compounds the fact that Stoner just got on and rode it with very little feel-and thus crashed a lot- meaning his Data was completely ignored or useless- Ducati's fault yes, and Stoners too.......and the problems are still trying to be rectified today, no one is saying that he is not a great rider, this season however certainly doesn't prove that he is streaks ahead of the other top guys at all, and the fanboy state of his support around here is as bad and worse than anything seen from Rossi's camp. These machines require the most finite balance of setting to gel with any circuit on any given day, with the least flexible Tyre supply imaginable, and are flooded with electronics and fuel management/GPS corner ECU adjustment to make it to the end of the race. JB and Rossi's window to create improvement with their talent for adjustment and making things work has been heavily minimized by restriction, and the engineers are the ones currently in control.



Stoner and Honda are winning races yes, but would he be winning on the Ducati this year?
No Chance, would he be winning on the Yamaha? Equally no chance. Anyone who says otherwise is Boning incessantly. Once again his success is due to having inherited the best machinery on the grid. Coupling this with his outrageous behavior towards most of the field, and his ....... comments, only succeeds to provoke a deeper dislike for him amongst the greater racing fanbase- for its not as if he jumped on the Suzuki and Started blitzing the field now is it? Not too mention the growing dislike in the paddock- the riders will no doubt start to .... with him even more now..... Only a handful of patriotic Aussies and Diehard Rossi haters actually enjoy his attitude, like I said before-imagine the amount of support he would enjoy (including me
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All this success and still predominately disliked......Karma is a funny thing indeed.......poor Casey.





Its between Lorenzo and Stoner .......... I thought Lorenzo was on a Yamaha .....
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Stoner won several rounds at the end of last year on the Ducati ..... it was assumed he would have kept doing it, it was also assumed Rossi may have won some ..... just look at the poll .......... ........ statement no. 2



I don't think people really give a flying #$%@ about his attitude ...... because many past champions have been as competitive .... including Rossi
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As far as the problem with guys going slow on the race line in Fp or qual I'm afraid this is something that will end badly for someone, I hope no one gets hurt to prove this point.



Agree, we have post after post in countless topics about Casey getting annoyed with riders and how he should know better and not say anything, but time and time again people fail to see the big picture, riders are being careless and failing to act responsibly. It is a safetey issue and if race direction want to do something good for the sport they should start reprimanding riders who are being so foolish. If the Hayden issue is the one i think it was, Nicky looked and saw Casey coming while he coasted up the inside into the final turn, he didn't slow down or move over enough and he was right where Casey needed to be despite knowing he was coming. That is a poor bit of riding.
 
Just out of interest I did a quick calculation. If all 16 bikes were on the track at the same time and all spread evenly through thr 3.6 mile circuit there would be apporx 200m between each of them. Not a lot at 200mph sure but the fact is the bikes wouldnt be spread equally. So Casey, stop whining and just find a clear peice of tarmac
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This is partly supposition, but I think the riders may try to time their really on the edge fast laps to be out of the traffic, which possibly makes riders who should be out of range slowing on the racing line more annoying, particularly if seeking a tow.
 
Stoner and Honda are winning races yes, but would he be winning on the Ducati this year? No Chance, would he be winning on the Yamaha? Equally no chance. Anyone who says otherwise is Boning incessantly. Once again his success is due to having inherited the best machinery on the grid.





Do i need to name more seasons where Rossi benefited from this?



AND, if it is the bike riding itself around why arent the other hondas riding them selves around with stoners whilst those guys wave at the crowd?
 
Quote from TomAgree, we have post after post in countless topics about Casey getting annoyed with riders and how he should know better and not say anything, but time and time again people fail to see the big picture, riders are being careless and failing to act responsibly. It is a safetey issue and if race direction want to do something good for the sport they should start reprimanding riders who are being so foolish. If the Hayden issue is the one i think it was, Nicky looked and saw Casey coming while he coasted up the inside into the final turn, he didn't slow down or move over enough and he was right where Casey needed to be despite knowing he was coming. That is a poor bit of riding.



Agreed.



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Doesn't this become something of an issue for the Riders Safety Council ?



Shouldn't they get together and throw whatever weight they carry behind the issue, pull the pin on the grenade, and chuck it at DORNA ?



Admitedly what I am about to say involved much more tragic circumstances, and therefore is a very different kettle of fish, but they got out of going to Suzuka after what happened to Kato using their vote/power.





The odd rider had been bitching about Suzuka for years.........after Kato, the council was formed and the decision that no-one was racing there anymore was invoked the following year.



Like I said though.....very different kettle of fish, and DORNA had no choice but to agree..........



They could make it public that they are worried about a fatality, or at best injury, resulting from these instances,and that they want something to be done about it.



If DORNA chose to ignore that and, god forbid, the worst happens.....it would be down to DORNA.



Banding together and using the council would surely carry more weight than two ( or so....you get my drift) riders bitching about it from time to time, and may possibly achieve something.
 
but his dig at Rossi (and that's what it was) flung stuff in Hayden's direction as well.



As far as the problem with guys going slow on the race line in Fp or qual I'm afraid this is something that will end badly for someone, I hope no one gets hurt to prove this point.



I do note of course the Gardner and Doohan were both prickly .......s, particular with the English, Italian and Spanish press as they rarely got a fair hearing back then and much the same occurs today.



Storm in a teacup - YES



My distaste at hearing a rider say what he means in a competition rather than talk with the greasy dissimulation of an oiled up diplomat - NIL



It's motorcycle racing

I agree with all these statements, but care even less about the perception of casey by the likes of talpa, particularly given that all he attracted from such people when he was pretty well entirely humble about his success in 2007, to the extent that he wore a t-shirt proclaiming rossi as one of his heroes on the day he clinched the championship, was vitriol regardless.



I was going to post separately, being fluent in australian as you are the comment about hayden and ducati this year was primarily a dig at jb and rossi as you say, but was also actually an implied compliment to nicky, in that he is by my interpretation implying that hayden (and ducati) would be doing better than they are if they were following nicky's line of development. He also gave some credit to nicky for the mid-season improvement of the ducati last year as I recall.



Rossi has been digging at him for years, and he appears to be now responding with his own digs with some success, and more power to him for doing so. I even wonder if he is getting some guidance from mick doohan in this aspect.



Stoner is in some regards more gracious than mick doohan, given that he does not appear to have issues with data sharing, which was by no means mick's attitude.
 

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