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Oh I made a point Reg. Just because you don want to accept it doesn't mean its not there
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Stoner has some sense of self preservation.
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Exactly.
Just wondering Krop, do you think the media actually feels sorry for Stoner, or has it gone well beyond this?
Generally when an athlete carry's on like this as regularly as Stoner has for years, a general dislike develops across the board, his high and mighty attitude whilst winning seems to be setting up and major downfall when he is eventually beaten?
Most of the media don't care, they just want stories to sell newspapers, and will sacrifice anyone and anything to do so. There is one highly-respected journalist I know who seizes any opportunity he can to slip subtle insults into his questions to one rider. Another journalist picked selectively from quotes from a rider and turned them into a sensationalist story that has meant that rider will never get a ride again with a particular factory. The Italian media is currently riding Lorenzo for they are worth because they're afraid to go to Motegi, but don't have the guts to tell their editors to .... off, and so are hoping Lorenzo can get the race canceled.
There's a warning here too. Marco Simoncelli's star is waxing as Rossi's wanes. If Simoncelli starts to sell as many newspapers as Rossi does, then the press will drop Rossi like a hot potato, and a raft of ugly stories will appear about him. There's a lot of resentment stored up for having to spend so much of their time writing about Rossi over the years (for an example, go look at the Sportmediaset RSS feed, about 80% of the non-race stories are about Rossi).
As a rule, journalists are scum (and I haven't even got onto their precious egos yet), and I hope I don't turn out like them. I remind myself every day that I am stupid, ignorant and lazy, and that keeps me slightly more honest than I would be otherwise. So all personal abuse is welcome, to keep me in line.
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Stoner spin doctor ...... !!
There dont say i dont give you anything .
My thanks, Rog, I shall treasure those words, and try to be a spin doctor ...... to ALL the riders...
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I don't know what to think about Stoner and safety issues anymore. I understand that he doesn't like people to be in his way or tail him at all but one thing I noticed with the Nicky incident was that Stoner passed Nicky, then slowed down to let Nicky pass again and then proceeded to block him. He's done that before, Yea maybe they deserve it, i don't know, but thats not safe either is it? Anyways Nicky said his tires were cold and he was on an out lap, so Stoner's comments about Nicky trying to hold him up for a tow deff sound like something made up by him?
Yep he deliberately slowed and blocked nicky for two or three corners and was looking over/gesturing like the complete .... that he is, about as safe as punching someone in the back at 100kmph.......
Stoner's attitude to this is entirely consistent, if overblown as david is saying. Whilst I am sure having nice laps ruined annoys him and is part of what underlies his attitude, and that his attitude was also partly formed because he got fined for accidentally blocking dani pedrosa's line when he (stoner ) was a nobody in 2006 when no other rider has to my knowledge been fined since, I am sure he genuinely thinks he is on a safety crusade. This is after all what he says when asked as david reports, and he is famous for saying what he thinks.
He also seems to have a scale for such things, with deliberately rather than accidentally being on the race line a worse offence, and riders seldom deliberately dawdle on the racing line in races, perhaps something to do with the rules
Not necessarily in your case, but from my biased stoner fan perspective this is mostly about there being few remaining avenues of attack on stoner, as illustrated by hawkdriver construing me pointing out that rossi had said something about being impeded by a slower rider in the warm-up at silverstone as an attack on valentino rather than an example that stoner's concern about the issue is not solitary. I didn't watch the warm-up but I think the incident may have resulted in valentino putting the bike down, which I would have thought rather makes stoner's point.
As far as the clear track thing, it seems pretty obvious now that the ducati needs clear track to be gotten through corners in any way fast, with valentino testifying that the thing just won't turn, so getting to the lead quickly and attempting to skeedaddle was stoner's only winning tactic on that bike, and winning seems to me to be what he is not unreasonably about. Now that he is on a bike that allows for mutiple tactical approaches he is relaxed about not being in the lead early, and sometimes bides his time for at least few laps before making clean, precise and decisive passes, often on corners and against identically equipped riders (seeing these are mainly the ones up with him
You don't get irony, do you?
Yes, a two race ban might give valentino rossi and others a chance to get somewhere near him.
Stoner may be making mountains out of molehills, but you are continuing your usual practice of ignoring mountains in favour of molehills. What stoner has been doing may be arrogant or impolite, but nobody except you and a very few other rabidly anti- stoner posters on fan forums think it involves danger particularly in comparison to the behaviour which has provoked it on some occasions, notably the rossi torpedo and the de puniet incident.
nor do you, obviously......soon it will be the third time for your boy, slow learner that he is.
Sorry, but you can't really apply this one either way as history will always show Stoner as well being the top '....' by a margain, of the era.....
right so, the only rider to have been fined for dangerous behaviour recently is..........you guessed it!
Get a grip mate.....you would be genuinly mortified to hear most racing professionals comments on your hero. Even some of his greatest supporters here are changing their tune on his ....... behaviour, seems it will take older dogs longer to learn new tricks whilst continuing to look rather stoopid.
