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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Mar 31 2008, 03:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that Capirex, Bayliss, Gibernau and Checa all contributed to the developement of the Ducati. You would think that if the bike was so totally centered around Capirex's input... he would be the one who would extract all that and then some out of the Duke.

He did not.

Thus Ducati and their development were not solely centered around Capirex. Thus that is why Rossi did not jump to Ducati. That is my original point. Capirex was there the longest but the bike wasn't totally tailored made for him.

Gibernau's results were not the greater of the two true indeed but he was able to show potential with the bike that Capirex did not.
Don't really want to get into a war of words here - you obviously feel strongly that Capi failed somehow.

It's just that I don't see any failure to "show potential" in 2006 - 3 wins, 4 2nds (most of them fighting for 1st to the end), a 3rd and finishing 3rd in the championship only 23 points adrift of Hayden.

I agree that the 990 Duke was not "tailored" for Capi despite his loyalty, but that makes his achievement greater than if it had been IMO.

damm the 06 990 ducati was talored towards stoner when he wasnt eve there hahahahaha

I agree with you Yamacka46 that Capirex had a helluva season and probably could have won. I don't think that Capirex is that much better rider thand Gibernau. I am not a Gibernau fan but a healthy Gibernau on the Ducati would be a formidable opponent.

I am not debating Capriex 2006 990cc results vs Gibbers short season. I am saying that Gibbers would get more out of the 800cc bike than Capirex and Melandri.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 31 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>damm the 06 990 ducati was talored towards stoner when he wasnt eve there hahahahaha

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Mar 31 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you Yamacka46 that Capirex had a helluva season and probably could have won. I don't think that Capirex is that much better rider thand Gibernau. I am not a Gibernau fan but a healthy Gibernau on the Ducati would be a formidable opponent.

I am not debating Capriex 2006 990cc results vs Gibbers short season. I am saying that Gibbers would get more out of the 800cc bike than Capirex and Melandri.
Fair enough, though I believe Gibernau was healthy at the start of the 2006 season.

As to your final point, it seems unlikely that he'd be significantly better (ie near to Stoner) knowing Gibernau's riding style.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 31 2008, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair enough, though I believe Gibernau was healthy at the start of the 2006 season.

As to your final point, it seems unlikely that he'd be significantly better (ie near to Stoner) knowing Gibernau's riding style.

Unlikely, I don't think so. Gibbers on his good day was stones throw away from Rossi.
That is significantly better than Melandri, Capirex, Elias and Guintoli.

That alone is closer to Stoner than what we are seeing right now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Mar 31 2008, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Unlikely, I don't think so. Gibbers on his good day was stones throw away from Rossi.
That is significantly better than Melandri, Capirex, Elias and Guintoli.

That alone is closer to Stoner than what we are seeing right now.
Capi on his good days fought to the finish with Rossi too. I am not saying Gibernau was not a good rider, more that the 800 Duke seems to need a particular riding style to achieve anything noteworthy. Gibernau's style was very smooth, whereas Stoner's is anything but. That was my meaning. He may have been able to adapt to the bike to some extent, but the change in riding style would have had to be greater than I have seen made by any rider so far.

FWIW I also think Rossi would struggle on the Duke in its current form, as his riding style would not get the best out of the bike either.