Spies to Tech 3 Yamaha MotoGP in 2010..?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 17 2009, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you're half right, Yamaha will put Spies in the Fiat team in 2011. Although I think he will partner Rossi rather than Lorenzo.
I am willing to bet that it is business. They are obviously planning for their future. So why wouldn't that same logic apply to Ben since he needs to be on a SAT team for a year? Jorge is the Future for Yamaha. Vale has done his job by developing the bike and has won the title. What's left for him other than to retire like he has threatened to do now for quite some time. Jorge is almost just as fast and consistant now as Vale so I think when it is all said and done Ben and Jorge for 2011 and Vale goes to DUCATI!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MdubSTYLIE @ Sep 17 2009, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did you feel the same way when he left honda?(That rossi wouldn't leave.) They will have to butter vale up to get him to stay. If they give spies "factory" equipment and he is battling with the goat. Vale will be even more pissed than he is now. Cant see him staying, but of course anything is possible.
I don't see the correlation between his days at Honda and now. Honda didn't appreciate Rossi's talents, Yamaha have been publicly grateful since he came over. There was the chassis conundrum of 2006 but ultimately Yamaha caved and admitted that Rossi was right. This is the biggest fight Yamaha and Rossi have had and it seems to me quite easily remedied. Yamaha gives Valentino a slight pay bump and allow him to sign for whatever duration he likes, even if that means he takes it a year at a time. And they don't re-sign Lorenzo.

I think Rossi understands that Yamaha can't slot a pushover in as his teammate, especially now that he's the wrong side of 30. Come contract time, Rossi will have his choice of teammates should he stay at Yamaha. He can choose to share a garage with Lorenzo or Spies or perhaps Pedrosa, Stoner or Hayden. Rossi won't share a garage with Lorenzo again, or Pedrosa, I don't think he'd like to share a garage with the one person who can equal his speed and I don't think Yamaha will accept Hayden when the others are likely available. Spies is the logical option.

Valentino is worth too much to Yamaha to let go in the name of progress. Yeah, he made the M1 the best bike out there and Lorenzo is showing that he is quite capable on that machine. However we don't know how Lorenzo's development capabilities compare. And as popular as Lorenzo is, there is no more marketable rider than Rossi. So long as Rossi is racing motorcycles, if I'm Yamaha, I'm doing everything I can to keep him tied to me. Even if that means showing Lorenzo the door only for Rossi to retire after the 2011 season. It would be unfortunate but they'll have Spies and could likely sign Pedrosa or Stoner for 2012.

There are a lot of 'what ifs' in my post and many of them don't come into play for at least a year but I don't think Rossi will leave Yamaha. I think he is too valuable to Yamaha and his latest remarks are merely positioning to give him more of a say in team direction for his next contract. Also, this was a response to Rockgod as well.

I'm definitely psyched for next season if this turns out to be true. I think the earlier the better for Spies to dive in to Motogp. I think it will definitely take some time for Spies to come close to the fearsome foursome. He did show some glimmer of hope on the short stint aboard the Rizla Suzuki. Anyone dare predict when/if he podiums? Fall 2010...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 17 2009, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't see the correlation between his days at Honda and now. Honda didn't appreciate Rossi's talents, Yamaha have been publicly grateful since he came over. There was the chassis conundrum of 2006 but ultimately Yamaha caved and admitted that Rossi was right.
Not a correlation between his days at honda but a correlation of your opinion of whether you thought he would leave then.
Honda didn't appreciate Rossi's talents therefore Rossi, mad.
Of course Yamaha is grateful Rossi came over from Honda. And of course Vale was right. But now Yamaha offer Jorge lots of money and a one year deal, and now throw spies in there. Rossi, mad.

I know it's all what if's and what not's. But I value your opinion thats why I have all the questions.

So much is up in the air:
WSBK championship
2011 Contracts: Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Rossi, Stoner, Edwards, Hayden, Capirossi, DePuniet
2011 displacement regulations
Moto2 grid and talent.
FM and Ilmor projects
Engine/Bike lease costs

Austin, I think Vale would welcome Pedro, Dovi, Hayden, and Spies with open arms. He might even take Marco if there were team orders. There are only 2 men that can challenge Rossi consistently. FWIW, Pedro got manhandled by Rossi at Motegi, Jerez, Catalunya, Germany, and Brno.

I thought Cal Crutchlow was going to Moto 2 for next season?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Sep 17 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pedro got manhandled ... at Motegi, Jerez, Catalunya, Germany, and Brno.
I think that list is rather short, i'd say he's been "manhandled" in more places than i'd care to list...(i'll spare u the visual).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick.. Rossi.. 46 No1... @ Sep 17 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought Cal Crutchlow was going to Moto 2 for next season?
I've read his preference is to go Moto2 with Gresini but he's listening pretty intently to what Yamaha have to offer, in terms of the Yamaha Italia ride and a Moto2 ride with Tech 3.

Dubs, my personal feeling is that Rossi is not as upset as he leads on. Sure, the one year deal is probably frustrating for him as that's what he's wanted for the past two years but he likely realizes that it's only a stopgap until Yamaha can give Rossi a competent teammate that he doesn't mind. Like Spies. Just my thought.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Sep 17 2009, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin, I think Vale would welcome Pedro, Dovi, Hayden, and Spies with open arms. He might even take Marco if there were team orders. There are only 2 men that can challenge Rossi consistently. FWIW, Pedro got manhandled by Rossi at Motegi, Jerez, Catalunya, Germany, and Brno.
Although Rossi wouldn't be challenged by Pedrosa, I don't think he'd like to be teammates with him. Pedrosa and Puig don't do teams any favors. It seems to me that Rossi would team with anyone who doesn't bother him in his development work, I don't think Pedrosa and Puig fit that description. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to team with Dovi, Melandri or Hayden. And Spies likely the same, at least for the first year or until he starts competing for wins and asks for more developmental duties.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 18 2009, 04:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think that list is rather short, i'd say he's been "manhandled" in more places than i'd care to list...(i'll spare u the visual).


Where else did you feel him Jum? All details now, any piccies as well? Pinkys salivating!!


Seriously though, I'm dead set keen to see Spies on a MotoGP bike again, I'm really not too sure how hes going to go but his performance at Nurburgring was nothing short of amazing, playing with Nori like that......

Admittedly Supers is where hes come from so the transition to the protos could be different, but no doubt the most exciting new talent in bike racing on the world stage.......finally the next Schwantz? Maybe.........I'll certainly enjoy watching this space!!

Spies is being cofirmed for Toselands seat!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 17 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies is being cofirmed for Toselands seat!

Link?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Sep 17 2009, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where else did you feel him Jum? All details now, any piccies as well? Pinkys salivating!!


Seriously though, I'm dead set keen to see Spies on a MotoGP bike again, I'm really not too sure how hes going to go but his performance at Nurburgring was nothing short of amazing, playing with Nori like that......

Admittedly Supers is where hes come from so the transition to the protos could be different, but no doubt the most exciting new talent in bike racing on the world stage.......finally the next Schwantz? Maybe.........I'll certainly enjoy watching this space!!


As to the rest of your post, I'm a bit worried that people will place too high an expectation on the man. Granted, I was one who thought he would hold his on from AMA to WSBK, but I admit, I didn't dream he would be so dominant. Whats the last tally on his stats, in his rookie year, in a new series? Its pretty amazing, but MotoGP is another animal. The list is long of superbikers who have thrown in their hat at motogp, only one in the last grip of years has had a title. Its tough competing with 250 riders who have the tracks memorized and the circus under control.

Spies' name has been summoned allot since his wildcards and subsequent ill fated boot by Suzuki. I just hope that people realize hype, like a paycheck, should not be reason for an unrealistic expectation on the man.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/152390/1/..._of_tech_3.html

Nothing's been confirmed yet, it's still speculation for now. Is Visordown reliable for this type of news?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Sep 17 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Link?
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/152390/1/..._of_tech_3.html

I should have put the question mark at the end of my other post. Sorry bout that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 18 2009, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies' name has been summoned allot since his wildcards and subsequent ill fated boot by Suzuki. I just hope that people realize hype, like a paycheck, should not be reason for an unrealistic expectation on the man.

Jum, you probably knew that this was coming, but is there no truer recent example of this than the oft criticised Hopkins?

And I say that with my thoughts on the man well known as well as knowing the injury situation but I do feel and have said that the hype exceeded the delivery in many regards, so with a bit of thought let us hope that the lesson is well learnt by all when it comes to Spies. That said I also do not think that Spies 'courts' the publicity as much with his personality and do feel that he is much more media savvy than was Hopkins at the same stage, so I do not see him fanning any flme with regards hype.

Additionally and probably the bigger aspect for Spies is that he has been seen on the World Stage and there can be no doubt or questions as to whether he is 'deserving' or not as there often is when people jump from national level series to MotoGP (no criticism of riders there, just perceptions).

And a third point that may well work in his favour to lessen any hype is that teh US has recently had a World Champion in the category so their 'hunger' whilst large, may have been somewhate by Hayden's success (comparing specifically to the UK and Toseland here).

All up, whilst there will be hype and expectation placed upon him IMO (based on my observations this year) he strikes me as the most 'mature' (in terms of handling the racing and associated expectations) entry to the class for many a year.

The big concern (and this is where I feel your 'hype' comment is aimed) is at the 'joe public' and irresponsible media who will foist large amounts of expectations upon him, but he will handle that well I suspect.





Gaz

Here's another link:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...es-motogp-ride/

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 17 2009, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jum, you probably knew that this was coming, but is there no truer recent example of this than the oft criticised Hopkins?

And I say that with my thoughts on the man well known as well as knowing the injury situation but I do feel and have said that the hype exceeded the delivery in many regards, so with a bit of thought let us hope that the lesson is well learnt by all when it comes to Spies. That said I also do not think that Spies 'courts' the publicity as much with his personality and do feel that he is much more media savvy than was Hopkins at the same stage, so I do not see him fanning any flme with regards hype.

Additionally and probably the bigger aspect for Spies is that he has been seen on the World Stage and there can be no doubt or questions as to whether he is 'deserving' or not as there often is when people jump from national level series to MotoGP (no criticism of riders there, just perceptions).

And a third point that may well work in his favour to lessen any hype is that teh US has recently had a World Champion in the category so their 'hunger' whilst large, may have been somewhate by Hayden's success (comparing specifically to the UK and Toseland here).

All up, whilst there will be hype and expectation placed upon him IMO (based on my observations this year) he strikes me as the most 'mature' (in terms of handling the racing and associated expectations) entry to the class for many a year.

The big concern (and this is where I feel your 'hype' comment is aimed) is at the 'joe public' and irresponsible media who will foist large amounts of expectations upon him, but he will handle that well I suspect.





Gaz
I agree with the latter portion of your post in that his maturity and performances in WSBK should allow him to handle the pressure of expectation. I don't see much resemblance to Hopkins. As you mentioned, Hopkins was an unknown and Spies has been on display for the world to see all year. His results have dictated the hype, not some label as the next Kevin Schwantz. There's a lot of hype, I think he's going to live up to it. I've never been a huge fan of his, always rooted for him as a Yank, but that's about it. That being said, and I've been saying this for at least a couple of years now, he's more talented than Hayden. And I personally believe that on the right package, Hayden can fight for podiums.

If Spies does go next year, I don't foresee podiums to be a problem. He might even exceed my expectations, he's done so at every other level.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Sep 17 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Rossi understands that Yamaha can't slot a pushover in as his teammate, especially now that he's the wrong side of 30. Come contract time, Rossi will have his choice of teammates should he stay at Yamaha. He can choose to share a garage with Lorenzo or Spies or perhaps Pedrosa, Stoner or Hayden. Rossi won't share a garage with Lorenzo again, or Pedrosa, I don't think he'd like to share a garage with the one person who can equal his speed and I don't think Yamaha will accept Hayden when the others are likely available. Spies is the logical option.
Austin, with possible increase in cc's for 2011, and Hayden's ability to ride the powerful beasts I think he will be a hot commodity at the end of 2010??? Just food for thought.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Sep 18 2009, 06:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin, with possible increase in cc's for 2011, and Hayden's ability to ride the powerful beasts I think he will be a hot commodity at the end of 2010??? Just food for thought.
It's a possibility, a raise in capacity would drive Hayden's stock up. However, if the rules stay as they are and the factories continue to focus on 800cc development, next year is very important if Hayden wants to remain in MotoGP.