Spies to announce deal at Indy.

Alright kids enough talk already, especially from Jumkie. You know that Nicky Hayden has nothing special to offer and is not a 'true' champion. The guy is not FAST..... he may look fast with his riding style and all, BUT he is NOT fast. He can not and will not be able to keep up with the European riders, and that is the sad truth. I know you root for him because he's like a normal everyday kind of guy, ya know? like he could be your next door neighbor....and that is why you love him soo much. But truth is, he just don't have "IT"....and when i say "IT".... you all know what that means. Regardless of Nicky's chapionship run.... people still don't hold him in high regard because it's plain to see..... he just isn't a special rider. That's just my opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 22 2008, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Alright kids enough talk already, especially from Jumkie. You know that Nicky Hayden has nothing special to offer and is not a 'true' champion. The guy is not FAST..... he may look fast with his riding style and all, BUT he is NOT fast. He can not and will not be able to keep up with the European riders, and that is the sad truth. I know you root for him because he's like a normal everyday kind of guy, ya know? like he could be your next door neighbor....and that is why you love him soo much. But truth is, he just don't have "IT"....and when i say "IT".... you all know what that means. Regardless of Nicky's chapionship run.... people still don't hold him in high regard because it's plain to see..... he just isn't a special rider. That's just my opinion.
Are you trying to start up the whole 'was Nicky a worthy champ' debate? It's been done to death here, way before either of us were even registered.
You're just a Rossi fanboy who's still pissed Hayden beat your guy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 22 2008, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Alright kids enough talk already, especially from Jumkie. You know that Nicky Hayden has nothing special to offer and is not a 'true' champion. The guy is not FAST..... he may look fast with his riding style and all, BUT he is NOT fast. He can not and will not be able to keep up with the European riders, and that is the sad truth. I know you root for him because he's like a normal everyday kind of guy, ya know? like he could be your next door neighbor....and that is why you love him soo much. But truth is, he just don't have "IT"....and when i say "IT".... you all know what that means. Regardless of Nicky's chapionship run.... people still don't hold him in high regard because it's plain to see..... he just isn't a special rider. That's just my opinion.


That just your opinion but yet you speak for and of alot of people when you say they dont hold him in high regard

Jeez just when the Pinkmaster leaves this Dumb .... pops his head up

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Helix @ Sep 21 2008, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you trying to start up the whole 'was Nicky a worthy champ' debate? It's been done to death here, way before either of us were even registered.
You're just a Rossi fanboy who's still pissed Hayden beat your guy.

Me a Rossi fan?? NO WAY. To be honest, I don't like the guy at all..... but i respect what he has done to the sport. ....... Rossi is the man, no one can argue with that. It's just sad to see all the riders not being able to take it to Rossi... because to me, even though Rossi is as great as he is, I know that he can be broken down. BUT, no one in the current line-up will be able to break him.

BUT...................... OKAY, I will say this. ANDREA DOVIZIOSO is the man to take over Rossi in the next couple of years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Sep 22 2008, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That just your opinion but yet you speak for and of alot of people when you say they dont hold him in high regard

Jeez just when the Pinkmaster leaves this Dumb .... pops his head up

Thats because this bumbass is pinky or stinky if you will.









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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 22 2008, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Me a Rossi fan?? NO WAY. To be honest, I don't like the guy at all..... but i respect what he has done to the sport. ....... Rossi is the man, no one can argue with that. It's just sad to see all the riders not being able to take it to Rossi... because to me, even though Rossi is as great as he is, I know that he can be broken down. BUT, no one in the current line-up will be able to break him.

BUT...................... OKAY, I will say this. ANDREA DOVIZIOSO is the man to take over Rossi in the next couple of years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (evo9 @ Sep 22 2008, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats because this bumbass is pinky or stinky if you will.
.

I don't know man, Pinkly would never give Rossi any credit but that could be SS56/Pinky's throw, I don't think Ive seen him say anything about Stoner thought....

Hey SS56, what do you think of Stoner? He's .... is'int he

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Sep 21 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That just your opinion but yet you speak for and of alot of people when you say they dont hold him in high regard

Jeez just when the Pinkmaster leaves this Dumb .... pops his head up

Oh come on we all now Hayden is nothing special. It is what it is, as much as you guys root for the 'underdog', the guy just don't have the 'IT' factor. Not taking anything away from him, because in truth I do like Hayden, and regardless of how he became a champion....he is a champion. BUT, you all can't deny the fact that he just isn't FAST enough to hang with the top guys, and that's just the damn truth. Maybe...he would do OK in WSBK because of his riding style, BUT in MotoGP.....the answer is NO. He just isn't "IT", he just don't have "IT", he just lacks that something.

Those that have the "IT" factor are here in my list.

1) Valentino Rossi
2) Andrea Dovizioso
3) Jorge Lorenzo
4) Casey Stoner
5) Dani Pedrosa

Only if everything goes his way.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 22 2008, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh come on <u>we all now </u>Hayden is nothing special. It is what it is, as much as you guys root for the 'underdog', the guy just don't have the 'IT' factor. Not taking anything away from him, because in truth I do like Hayden, and regardless of how he became a champion....he is a champion. BUT, you all can't deny the fact that he just isn't FAST enough to hang with the top guys, and that's just the damn truth. Maybe...he would do OK in WSBK because of his riding style, BUT in MotoGP.....the answer is NO. He just isn't "IT", he just don't have "IT", he just lacks that something.

Those that have the "IT" factor are here in my list.

1) Valentino Rossi
2) Andrea Dovizioso
3) Jorge Lorenzo
4) Casey Stoner
5) Dani Pedrosa

Only if everything goes his way.

Your contradicting yourself all over the place, Just because that's what you think, don't go assuming that we all feel and think the same

What the hell is this IT factor, is this all about star alignment and the sun coming out their ..... or something
What a load of fairytale bollocks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 21 2008, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Alright kids enough talk already, especially from Jumkie. You know that Nicky Hayden has nothing special to offer and is not a 'true' champion. The guy is not FAST..... he may look fast with his riding style and all, BUT he is NOT fast. He can not and will not be able to keep up with the European riders, and that is the sad truth. I know you root for him because he's like a normal everyday kind of guy, ya know? like he could be your next door neighbor....and that is why you love him soo much. But truth is, he just don't have "IT"....and when i say "IT".... you all know what that means. Regardless of Nicky's chapionship run.... people still don't hold him in high regard because it's plain to see..... he just isn't a special rider. That's just my opinion.

You're right he doesn't have IT.

IT being the best bike, best tires, the best crew chief, and the governing body in his back pocket.

One time Hayden did have IT (or as close as he could get) and he won a WC.

Stoner had IT last season but DORNA have given IT back to Rossi. Vale has almost always had IT and that's why he wins. He endured hardship for 2 whole seasons before DORNA gave IT back to him. Poor baby.

Since Rossi left, Honda have been stuck in the dark ages. Where has Hayden raced his entire career? If he hadn't won, Honda would be without a championship in 5 years. UNBELIEVABLE.

Shinya has never had IT either, but that doesn't mean he can't ride.

Dang, who exactly, is the one responsible for hijacking this thread??

I logged on thinking I was gonna find out something new in regards to Ben Spies' future plans...but, i end up with 'who is the best/gonna be the best/never even was any good'.....WTF??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 21 2008, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Alright kids enough talk already, especially from Jumkie. You know that Nicky Hayden has nothing special to offer and is not a 'true' champion.
You are right, he is a fake. I should be quiet. Sorry to bother you with all my rants.

Stoner is the only true champ in the last couple of years. What do you think of Stoner? Man, is he great or what? Do you think Stoner will win next year?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tlrwinder @ Sep 22 2008, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dang, who exactly, is the one responsible for hijacking this thread??

I logged on thinking I was gonna find out something new in regards to Ben Spies' future plans...but, i end up with 'who is the best/gonna be the best/never even was any good'.....WTF??



Oops, I'm sorry, I think that might be me.

Ok, back on topic:

I think Spies future in MotoGP is over now. It seems Suzuki decided to play it safe and run what they brung. Somebody here posted a rumor that he may sign in the States with the new DMG group. I might be inclined to believe it for the following reasons:

DMG's takeover has been steeped in controversy.
DMG has been challenged and threatened with a rival series in the AMA called USSB.
DMG may throw a lot of money to Spies to keep the champ and somehow legitimize their claim to the American roadracing series.

Has anything been announced lately?
If not, what do you think of my theory Lex?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 22 2008, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If not, what do you think of my theory Lex?

Sounds like fact to me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 22 2008, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're right he doesn't have IT.

IT being the best bike, best tires, the best crew chief, and the governing body in his back pocket.

One time Hayden did have IT (or as close as he could get) and he won a WC.

Stoner had IT last season but DORNA have given IT back to Rossi. Vale has almost always had IT and that's why he wins. He endured hardship for 2 whole seasons before DORNA gave IT back to him. Poor baby.

Since Rossi left, Honda have been stuck in the dark ages. Where has Hayden raced his entire career? If he hadn't won, Honda would be without a championship in 5 years. UNBELIEVABLE.

Shinya has never had IT either, but that doesn't mean he can't ride.
Right o!! I don't know why anyone responds to supershithead. This guy just keeps saying the most ...... up ..... Hayden is nothing special yeah ok. He won a championship however you slice it. Plus he had is ....... teammate take him out due to his ...... ego. The .... you spew is totally without merit shinya and you need to read your posts before you go putting up more stupid statements that really give the insight to your level of knowledge of the sport. It's cool to like who you like so what. My point being is that you have your name as supershinya and there is NOTHING super about that ...... ... rider nomater what. Rossi is the golden boy and has to win in order to keep the image of motogp in the forefront. My guess is that someone knows when he will retire for good and they want to manufacture a greatest of all time for ratings so we can all witness history. You don't think games and .... aren't fixed? Look at boxing and who was that basketball ref that fixed NBA games. And that is the NBA. So for anyone to think it isn't possible is just way out of their mind.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 22 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oops, I'm sorry, I think that might be me.

Ok, back on topic:

I think Spies future in MotoGP is over now. It seems Suzuki decided to play it safe and run what they brung. Somebody here posted a rumor that he may sign in the States with the new DMG group. I might be inclined to believe it for the following reasons:

DMG's takeover has been steeped in controversy.
DMG has been challenged and threatened with a rival series in the AMA called USSB.
DMG may throw a lot of money to Spies to keep the champ and somehow legitimize their claim to the American roadracing series.

Has anything been announced lately?
If not, what do you think of my theory Lex?

DMG is up the river without a paddle atm.... they ...... themselves with the NASBIKE plan they had... MIC ( Motorcycle Industry Council ) is starting they're own show...and guess what...ALL the manufactures are jumping ship to the newly formed USSB series (United States Super Bike).
I'm glad to say they will be runng SBK rules

LINK

Spies will get a ride in GP...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 22 2008, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DMG is up the river without a paddle atm.... they ...... themselves with the NASBIKE plan they had... MIC ( Motorcycle Industry Council ) is starting they're own show...and guess what...ALL the manufactures are jumping ship to the newly formed USSB series (United States Super Bike).
I'm glad to say they will be runng SBK rules

LINK

Spies will get a ride in GP...
Curve where have you been this is old news. Plus this was also viewed as a bargining chip so that the manufactures can get their way. Edmonson and a rep from honda I believe met at Indy to discuss a balance. There was also that following week supposed to be further talks in how to salvage the ama. I think you will see spies in ama next year not motogp.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Sep 22 2008, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Curve where have you been this is old news.

Sorry...i've been watching replays of Stoner choking and crashing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 21 2008, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Connecting the dots and examining in depth the move from Suzuki to Kawasaki; it revealed a guy who had had enough giving his youth stuck in a chronic sub-par machine, and took a gamble somewhere else. That somewhere else promised the world as well as a big paycheck--somehow you have been stuck on the paycheck part, only. Had he not moved, we might be saying, ...., the guy had an opportunity to move on, but coward out and stayed within his comfort zone; something he clearly did NOT do. If you can show me he had been offered a factory ride with Honda or Yamaha at the time, then I might be more inclined to accept he went Green for the Green. But of what was on the table, staying with Suzuki would have been insane.
Based on championship points, then yes, he would have been the most deserving rider Kawasaki could find. Although looking at guys who changed seats for this season like Capirossi and Edwards, I would think that their development skills, experience and consistency would be more valuable than Hopkins but that's my opinion and it's pretty obvious that my views weren't the same as Kawasaki's for whatever reason.

Also, I don't have any proof but I do recall Hopkins being linked to Ducati in both 2004 and 2006 and him turning them down to stay with Suzuki. His argument was he would be devastated if he left Suzuki and the benefits of all his hard work would be reaped by someone else. That's my main bit in the Hopkins/sell out debate but that's a slightly different topic.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 22 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DMG is up the river without a paddle atm.... they ...... themselves with the NASBIKE plan they had... MIC ( Motorcycle Industry Council ) is starting they're own show...and guess what...ALL the manufactures are jumping ship to the newly formed USSB series (United States Super Bike).
I'm glad to say they will be runng SBK rules

LINK

Spies will get a ride in GP...
I thought I read that USSB were going to stick with 2008 spec AMA rules and 'eventually' switch to SBK regulations. Spies will take the money from whatever manufacturer remains in DMG and get paid and be the new Mat Mladin. Shame, at least Mladin gave GPs a shot. Even if he didn't get a fair go at it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 22 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry...i've been watching replays of Stoner choking and crashing.
WTF dude. stop being an ....