Spies could replace Toseland in 2010

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Apr 29 2009, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed some of the others need to go, but I would probably be looking at the top 250 riders, Simoncelli, Bautista, Hector Barbera.
If Hector Barbera ever gets a ride in MotoGP I will quit this forum.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Apr 30 2009, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Hector Barbera ever gets a ride in MotoGP I will quit this forum.


Brave words, stranger things have happened... and we'd miss you!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Apr 30 2009, 07:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Hector Barbera ever gets a ride in MotoGP I will quit this forum.



I have a few alias suggestion you could use when you come back:

You could use:

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Or you can just come back as 'Bootsakah' (its been done before)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 30 2009, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Secondly, fast learning does not guarentee higher peaks, he may reach a level in a years time that he stays at for the rest of his career.Agreed, but what it does is assuages doubts that he'll be able to adapt to things in a timely fashion. It makes him less of a risk, and if he doesn't cross over well, it might make it easier to give up on him and move on to the next prospect. Mostly, it's a bit of reassurance that a team that signs him probably won't go through an extended period of uncompetitive results while he adapts and and won't be sitting there for years watching him make incremental improvements that are just enough to justify his continued improvement.

Every rider's a risk. At least Spies has a bit of a history of showing what he's capable of rapidly. This makes him a bit more attractive, particularly to the satellite team that he'd need to serve his apprenticeship on (for whatever amount of say they have). If he pans out, better to have a year or 2 of someone who's rapidly fast than a year or two of someone who only hits his stride late in his tenure.

Of course, Toseland was fast right out of the gate in GP. Hasn't really helped him much since.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 30 2009, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agreed, but what it does is assuages doubts that he'll be able to adapt to things in a timely fashion. It makes him less of a risk,

Of course, Toseland was fast right out of the gate in GP. Hasn't really helped him much since.

Totally agree, but as with the JT example, he was as quick in his first race as he ever has been. For this reason i think it'd be valuable to see where Ben stabalizes in SBK before moving him on. That may well happen by the end of this season, i guess we'll see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 30 2009, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Totally agree, but as with the JT example, he was as quick in his first race as he ever has been. For this reason i think it'd be valuable to see where Ben stabalizes in SBK before moving him on. That may well happen by the end of this season, i guess we'll see.

Other riders have made it into GP without doing that great in their feeder series
(taka...) why couldn't Ben Most likely they will suck in MOTOGP, agreed?. Ben has already proven better

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 30 2009, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a few alias suggestion you could use when you come back:

You could use:

Takahashi27 (not taken)
Canepa09 (not taken)
#28, #42, 27_009 (all not taken)
NP68 (not taken)
Crevi99_XX5 (not taken)


Or you can just come back as 'Bootsakah' (its been done before)

It's generally agreed that the Yamaha has been the best bike in the motogp paddock for the last couple of years. Spies rode two races (Laguna and Indy) with the POS Suzuki and beat Toseland both times.

They both knew the Laguna track and tyres can't be used as an excuse for Toseland because Dovi, Hayden and DePuniet finished 4th, 5th and 6th on the crappy Michelins at Laguna. Rain tyres also can't be used as an excuse at Indy because Hayden and Lorenzo (on Michelins) finished 2nd and 3rd behind Rossi's Bridgestones.

After what Spies has done this year with a new bike, new team, new tracks and new series I think this is a no brainer. The question is will Ben WANT to go before winning a championship?

Either way, my conclusion: Bye, Bye JT!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ May 1 2009, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Hector Barbera ever gets a ride in MotoGP I will quit this forum.



Hector Barbera to take Sete Gibernau ride next year . Motogp needs a madman

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Apr 30 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Hector Barbera ever gets a ride in MotoGP I will quit this forum.


following in pinkplonker footsteps???

brits are the most overated sportspeople going around.

look at hatton. lights out in 2nd round. oh well when u have .... weather like they do, u have to cheer for anything that even competes on the elite level.

anyway thanks to the ....... brits i made quite a few $$$ today haha

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 3 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>brits are the most overated sportspeople going around.
You've done this one before you tool. Another mindless prejudice to add to your list.

Still bitter about bodyline?

Now .... off, I'm busy watching 'overrated' Brit Bradley Smith running away at the front of the Spanish Grand Prix by some 20 seconds with six and a half laps to go.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 3 2009, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>look at hatton. lights out in 2nd round. oh well when u have .... weather like they do, u have to cheer for anything that even competes on the elite level.
This is relevant to motogp racing exactly how?

In any case, hatton when in his prime 4 years ago but as an underdog was good enough to beat kostya tszyu, and quite a few brits doubtlessly made money out of ....... aussies on that occasion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 3 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>brits are the most overated sportspeople going around.

look at hatton. lights out in 2nd round. oh well when u have .... weather like they do, u have to cheer for anything that even competes on the elite level.

anyway thanks to the ....... brits i made quite a few $$$ today haha


Ha Ha Ha!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Apr 30 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Hector Barbera ever gets a ride in MotoGP I will quit this forum.


nah dont leave, eat your hat and post on youtube instead

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 3 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>brits are the most overated sportspeople going around.

look at hatton. lights out in 2nd round. oh well when u have .... weather like they do, u have to cheer for anything that even competes on the elite level.

anyway thanks to the ....... brits i made quite a few $$$ today haha

Hong Kong ladyboys not so cheap these days?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ May 3 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>brits are the most overated sportspeople going around.

look at hatton. lights out in 2nd round. oh well when u have .... weather like they do, u have to cheer for anything that even competes on the elite level.

anyway thanks to the ....... brits i made quite a few $$$ today haha
Thanks for the spoiler you ....... gimp

i bet Hatton made more than you that night so who's the dumb ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ May 3 2009, 08:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's generally agreed that the Yamaha has been the best bike in the motogp paddock for the last couple of years. Spies rode two races (Laguna and Indy) with the POS Suzuki and beat Toseland both times.

They both knew the Laguna track and tyres can't be used as an excuse for Toseland because Dovi, Hayden and DePuniet finished 4th, 5th and 6th on the crappy Michelins at Laguna. Rain tyres also can't be used as an excuse at Indy because Hayden and Lorenzo (on Michelins) finished 2nd and 3rd behind Rossi's Bridgestones.

After what Spies has done this year with a new bike, new team, new tracks and new series I think this is a no brainer. The question is will Ben WANT to go before winning a championship?

Either way, my conclusion: Bye, Bye JT!!

Ben has proven himself as a Superbike rider, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything for GPs. Ben's "problem" is that no Superbike riders have made a really successful crossover of late. Haga, Bayliss, Toseland, Edwards, Byrne, Hodgson, etc. etc. all have had lackluster careers in GP. Hayden has a title, but the inversely undesirable statistic of only 3 victories (4?) and hasn't really been happy since the rule change.

So, it really doesn't matter how good Ben looks right now. Bayliss, Hodgson, Edwards, et al have done much more than Spies at the WSBK level, but none of them got on well in GP. Bayliss even switched to the 211/Michelin package that was the belle of the ball back then and didn't improve.

I'd like to see Spies make the jump (after taking the title?) and see how he does because I believe that a SBK racer can be a great GP racer. Spies should be cheering for Toseland to do well, because even if Spies takes the title, the general tone of the GP paddock is that SBK riders don't do well in GPs.

Maybe Spies can prove them wrong. It would be interesting to see. In any case, unless his season completely falls apart, he'll likely get offers for a GP ride even if the Yamaha Italia > Tech 3 route doesn't come through.

I think Melandri and Spies will probably be vying for the same seats next season.