<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 27 2009, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wont it be Toni Elias?
Yes in 2006 on a 990.
Yes in 2006 on a 990.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 27 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wont it be Toni Elias?
Well <strike>googled</strike>, I mean, thought of Tom. Yeah Toni in that classic at Estoril in '06 on the Gresini machine also.
Well <strike>googled</strike>, I mean, thought of Tom. Yeah Toni in that classic at Estoril in '06 on the Gresini machine also.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Apr 27 2009, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but when was the last time a satellite rider won a race in motogp??
I understand that Alex's question was rhetorical, but on reflection there was a period when it was certainly more prevelant, whereas today, it seems practically inconceivable.
One of my favorite satelite victories was when Barros got the RC211V at Motegi (when he rode for Sito Pons, much to the chagrin of Loris - as a 'reward' for spending the entire season getting murdered on the NSR - when everyone knew he was about to jump ship to ride the unridable M1), and the late Antonio Corbas - genius as he was - set it up so beautifuly that he beat Rossi in the race, then proceeded to repeat the feat at Valencia. Arguably the bike was so good by then you could race it straight out of the crate -which is what they did. The paddock joked at the time that the only experience before free practise that Barros had on the bike, was riding it around the car-park.
This could never happen today.
I understand that Alex's question was rhetorical, but on reflection there was a period when it was certainly more prevelant, whereas today, it seems practically inconceivable.
One of my favorite satelite victories was when Barros got the RC211V at Motegi (when he rode for Sito Pons, much to the chagrin of Loris - as a 'reward' for spending the entire season getting murdered on the NSR - when everyone knew he was about to jump ship to ride the unridable M1), and the late Antonio Corbas - genius as he was - set it up so beautifuly that he beat Rossi in the race, then proceeded to repeat the feat at Valencia. Arguably the bike was so good by then you could race it straight out of the crate -which is what they did. The paddock joked at the time that the only experience before free practise that Barros had on the bike, was riding it around the car-park.
This could never happen today.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 27 2009, 12:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One of my favorite satelite victories was when Barros got the RC211V at Motegi (when he rode for Sito Pons, much to the chagrin of Loris - as a 'reward' for spending the entire season getting murdered on the NSR - when everyone knew he was about to jump ship to ride the unridable M1), and the late Antonio Corbas - genius as he was - set it up so beautifuly that he beat Rossi in the race, then proceeded to repeat the feat at Valencia. Arguably the bike was so good by then you could race it straight out of the crate -which is what they did.
Apparently Barros' bike was the first of the RCV's to be fitted with an electronicaly actuated slipper clutch, hence why his bike was noticably more stable into corners than Rossi's, with the conventional mechanical design which wasn't working so well.
Apparently Barros' bike was the first of the RCV's to be fitted with an electronicaly actuated slipper clutch, hence why his bike was noticably more stable into corners than Rossi's, with the conventional mechanical design which wasn't working so well.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 26 2009, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>\\hayden has been a consitant midlevel racer for oh about 5 of his 6 years in motogp.... despite being on the best bike for quite a few of those years
Does anyone hear the wind blowin? hmm I thought I heard the wind?
Does anyone hear the wind blowin? hmm I thought I heard the wind?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Apr 26 2009, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We've been hearing these rumors and speculations since Spies first signed with Yamaha. I'm sure Herve would be delighted to have Spies next year, not so sure Spies would be delighted with an offer for a satellite ride. I'm guessing he spends another year in WSBK. But who knows. Really is it silly season time already? Did the season pass by and I missed it?
Ben should forget about a satellite Yamaha team. He is better to win a WSBK championship title next year in a Duke or Yamaha.
He is to take Christ V ride on Suzuki Factory Team or at least join Honda Satellite team..nothing less..or Nicky seat at Duke..
Ben should forget about a satellite Yamaha team. He is better to win a WSBK championship title next year in a Duke or Yamaha.
He is to take Christ V ride on Suzuki Factory Team or at least join Honda Satellite team..nothing less..or Nicky seat at Duke..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Apr 27 2009, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ben should forget about a satellite Yamaha team. He is better to win a WSBK championship title next year in a Duke or Yamaha.
He is to take Christ V ride on Suzuki Factory Team or at least join Honda Satellite team..nothing less..or Nicky seat at Duke..
I would be surprised to see Ben on the Duc. I think he would be able to tame it due to the fact he has so much going for him at a young age right now that he would make himself do it.
He is to take Christ V ride on Suzuki Factory Team or at least join Honda Satellite team..nothing less..or Nicky seat at Duke..
I would be surprised to see Ben on the Duc. I think he would be able to tame it due to the fact he has so much going for him at a young age right now that he would make himself do it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Apr 27 2009, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ben should forget about a satellite Yamaha team. He is better to win a WSBK championship title next year in a Duke or Yamaha.
He is to take Christ V ride on Suzuki Factory Team or at least join Honda Satellite team..nothing less..or Nicky seat at Duke..
Ben would be crazy to join a Honda Satellite team... Honda can't even sort out their factory bikes right now. Yamaha would definately be his best bet.
However... I remember watching an interview with Ben Spies (I can't find it right now, may have been part of a race I downloaded and deleted) and they asked him directly if he was going to make the move to MotoGP for 2010 and he said that he is having way to much fun in WSBK and that the paddock atmosphere is way better as well as interest is growing with WSBK and that he wanted to stay.
He is to take Christ V ride on Suzuki Factory Team or at least join Honda Satellite team..nothing less..or Nicky seat at Duke..
However... I remember watching an interview with Ben Spies (I can't find it right now, may have been part of a race I downloaded and deleted) and they asked him directly if he was going to make the move to MotoGP for 2010 and he said that he is having way to much fun in WSBK and that the paddock atmosphere is way better as well as interest is growing with WSBK and that he wanted to stay.
Lookin at the first 7 races from last season Toseland did excellent in my opinion. He just lost allot confidence after the Donington debacle. Very similar to Lorenzo's season.
And he's having some difficulty adapting to the new tyres, but there's already progression in his pace.
So I think it's absolutely ridiculous people are saying he shouldn't be in Motogp. Especially so early in the new season.
And he's having some difficulty adapting to the new tyres, but there's already progression in his pace.
So I think it's absolutely ridiculous people are saying he shouldn't be in Motogp. Especially so early in the new season.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 27 2009, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lookin at the first 7 races from last season Toseland did excellent in my opinion. He just lost allot confidence after the Donington debacle. Very similar to Lorenzo's season.
And he's having some difficulty adapting to the new tyres, but there's already progression in his pace.
So I think it's absolutely ridiculous people are saying he shouldn't be in Motogp. Especially so early in the new season.
I'll agree here with most of your post (in an attempt of keeping you interested in the forum). Yes, Toseland had a very good start to his season. Two stand out performances were Qatar and PI. But I think his loss of form has more to do with the Michelin that the debacle at Donny. No to mention he started having injuries while fighting his tires.
I'm not ready to right him off, he deserves another year for sure. Now having said that, the best overall package on the grid are the Yamahas. Its not even close, 3 of the 4 guy are practicing and racing well (barring a mechanical that Edwards dealt with in Motegi). I still think Toseland is recoving from injury. I expect him to show better as the season moves on. I also expect to see him in MotoGP next year. That is only if Spies is not lured to the Tech3.
And he's having some difficulty adapting to the new tyres, but there's already progression in his pace.
So I think it's absolutely ridiculous people are saying he shouldn't be in Motogp. Especially so early in the new season.
I'll agree here with most of your post (in an attempt of keeping you interested in the forum). Yes, Toseland had a very good start to his season. Two stand out performances were Qatar and PI. But I think his loss of form has more to do with the Michelin that the debacle at Donny. No to mention he started having injuries while fighting his tires.
I'm not ready to right him off, he deserves another year for sure. Now having said that, the best overall package on the grid are the Yamahas. Its not even close, 3 of the 4 guy are practicing and racing well (barring a mechanical that Edwards dealt with in Motegi). I still think Toseland is recoving from injury. I expect him to show better as the season moves on. I also expect to see him in MotoGP next year. That is only if Spies is not lured to the Tech3.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Apr 27 2009, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lookin at the first 7 races from last season Toseland did excellent in my opinion. He just lost allot confidence after the Donington debacle. Very similar to Lorenzo's season.
And he's having some difficulty adapting to the new tyres, but there's already progression in his pace.
So I think it's absolutely ridiculous people are saying he shouldn't be in Motogp. Especially so early in the new season.
I think the build up to Donington must have been massive for him. I imagine the local press built him up bigtime, only to watch him tank it in turn 1. He stayed mid pack most of the rest of the year with exception of a good showing at Misano and Philip Island. He seems like a guy that carries a lot of weight on his shoulders, namely the weight of an entire nation. I'm sure his performance at Motegi has given him a boost. I'd say he would have a successful season if he consistently was beating the Suzuki team.
Every single rider with exception of maybe Rossi, Stoner, Dovi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo (basically the top 5), someone will find an excuse for their not deserving of being in MotoGP.
And he's having some difficulty adapting to the new tyres, but there's already progression in his pace.
So I think it's absolutely ridiculous people are saying he shouldn't be in Motogp. Especially so early in the new season.
I think the build up to Donington must have been massive for him. I imagine the local press built him up bigtime, only to watch him tank it in turn 1. He stayed mid pack most of the rest of the year with exception of a good showing at Misano and Philip Island. He seems like a guy that carries a lot of weight on his shoulders, namely the weight of an entire nation. I'm sure his performance at Motegi has given him a boost. I'd say he would have a successful season if he consistently was beating the Suzuki team.
Every single rider with exception of maybe Rossi, Stoner, Dovi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo (basically the top 5), someone will find an excuse for their not deserving of being in MotoGP.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (alex29 @ Apr 27 2009, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why would Spies leave a factory WSBK team for a satellite ride in motogp. Yes, MotoGP is the pinnacle of two-wheeled racing and features the best riders but when was the last time a satellite rider won a race in motogp?? I think Spies is better of staying put winning races and challenging for the sbk championship. As for JT#52 im a fan but he needs to pull his finger out and get some results........
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Could I Just point out that Ben Spies is fast, very fast, but after 4 meetings he is 60 points behind haga.
I think spies has to go to GP as now Superbike rider has been successful in GPs.
He wont be WSBK champ this year though.
I aint giving Spies a hard time, hes real good, but Haga is rolling, and kinda pissing on him to be honest
I think spies has to go to GP as now Superbike rider has been successful in GPs.
He wont be WSBK champ this year though.
I aint giving Spies a hard time, hes real good, but Haga is rolling, and kinda pissing on him to be honest
has Spies expressed any desire to go to Moto GP ?
Racers like winning - that's what he's doing (some of the time)
Racers like winning - that's what he's doing (some of the time)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Apr 28 2009, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>or at least join Honda Satellite team..nothing less..
why is a Honda satellite team ride better than a Yamaha satellite team ride?
why is a Honda satellite team ride better than a Yamaha satellite team ride?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Apr 28 2009, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Could I Just point out that Ben Spies is fast, very fast, but after 4 meetings he is 60 points behind haga.
I think spies has to go to GP as now Superbike rider has been successful in GPs.
He wont be WSBK champ this year though.
I aint giving Spies a hard time, hes real good, but Haga is rolling, and kinda pissing on him to be honest
Sorry, I've gotta agree.
I am a big fan of Spies but he has not done enough yet to justify a MotoGP ride. Look at Toseland - dominant in WSK for two years, nowhere in MotoGP.
I think Speis should stay in WSK for now.
Spies is riding the Yamaha Italia bike which should potentially be one of the fastest bikes out there. He is winning a lot of races, and he is also making a few mistakes.
My pick is Simoncelli to Tech 3 in 2010. No sure who will go though, Edwards or Toseland.
I think spies has to go to GP as now Superbike rider has been successful in GPs.
He wont be WSBK champ this year though.
I aint giving Spies a hard time, hes real good, but Haga is rolling, and kinda pissing on him to be honest
Sorry, I've gotta agree.
I am a big fan of Spies but he has not done enough yet to justify a MotoGP ride. Look at Toseland - dominant in WSK for two years, nowhere in MotoGP.
I think Speis should stay in WSK for now.
Spies is riding the Yamaha Italia bike which should potentially be one of the fastest bikes out there. He is winning a lot of races, and he is also making a few mistakes.
My pick is Simoncelli to Tech 3 in 2010. No sure who will go though, Edwards or Toseland.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Apr 28 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why is a Honda satellite team ride better than a Yamaha satellite team ride?
I was surprised to see JT joint the Tech 3 team in 2008. From past results, Sattelite Honda performed better than Tech 3 Yamaha. Even Factory Yamaha was nothing compare to Honda Pons till the arrival of Valentino Boy and Burgess.
JT was a double WSBK champion, and he isn't going anywhere with Tech 3 Yamaha. Collin Edward rode that Yam Tech 3 to the limit and that why he crashed in many races last year. Give the riders similar specs bikes than we can judge who are better riders: eg. Stoner vs Hayden (Duke), Rossi vs Lorenzo vs JT vs CE (Yamaha).
I was surprised to see JT joint the Tech 3 team in 2008. From past results, Sattelite Honda performed better than Tech 3 Yamaha. Even Factory Yamaha was nothing compare to Honda Pons till the arrival of Valentino Boy and Burgess.
JT was a double WSBK champion, and he isn't going anywhere with Tech 3 Yamaha. Collin Edward rode that Yam Tech 3 to the limit and that why he crashed in many races last year. Give the riders similar specs bikes than we can judge who are better riders: eg. Stoner vs Hayden (Duke), Rossi vs Lorenzo vs JT vs CE (Yamaha).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Apr 28 2009, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Could I Just point out that Ben Spies is fast, very fast, but after 4 meetings he is 60 points behind haga.
I think spies has to go to GP as now Superbike rider has been successful in GPs.
He wont be WSBK champ this year though.
I aint giving Spies a hard time, hes real good, but Haga is rolling, and kinda pissing on him to be honest
With 10 races to go i wouldn't write off Spies just yet.
I think spies has to go to GP as now Superbike rider has been successful in GPs.
He wont be WSBK champ this year though.
I aint giving Spies a hard time, hes real good, but Haga is rolling, and kinda pissing on him to be honest
With 10 races to go i wouldn't write off Spies just yet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Apr 27 2009, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, I've gotta agree.
I am a big fan of Spies but he has not done enough yet to justify a MotoGP ride. Look at Toseland - dominant in WSK for two years, nowhere in MotoGP.
I think Speis should stay in WSK for now.
Spies is riding the Yamaha Italia bike which should potentially be one of the fastest bikes out there. He is winning a lot of races, and he is also making a few mistakes.
My pick is Simoncelli to Tech 3 in 2010. No sure who will go though, Edwards or Toseland.
Spies is winning races in a world championship at tracks he has never seen before on a bike he has never ridden before.
What else do you want? Most guys, even great Superbikers, take several seasons to get comfortable and up to speed.
I agree Spies should stay in WSBK (b/c it's better) but he's more qualified than most of the people in GP. What is DeAngelis doing in GP, or Takahashi, or DePuniet, or Vermeulen, or Caneppa, or Kallio, or Guintoli, or West?
Spies hasn't done enough? You're joking.
I am a big fan of Spies but he has not done enough yet to justify a MotoGP ride. Look at Toseland - dominant in WSK for two years, nowhere in MotoGP.
I think Speis should stay in WSK for now.
Spies is riding the Yamaha Italia bike which should potentially be one of the fastest bikes out there. He is winning a lot of races, and he is also making a few mistakes.
My pick is Simoncelli to Tech 3 in 2010. No sure who will go though, Edwards or Toseland.
Spies is winning races in a world championship at tracks he has never seen before on a bike he has never ridden before.
What else do you want? Most guys, even great Superbikers, take several seasons to get comfortable and up to speed.
I agree Spies should stay in WSBK (b/c it's better) but he's more qualified than most of the people in GP. What is DeAngelis doing in GP, or Takahashi, or DePuniet, or Vermeulen, or Caneppa, or Kallio, or Guintoli, or West?
Spies hasn't done enough? You're joking.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Apr 26 2009, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Irrespective of how good Colin is looking on the bike right now, he is getting old and JT is the only pom, how much sponsorship does each one bring to the table.
I would say it would be American replaces American. JT stays, CE goes…
Also, apropos of nothing else.
I used to be indifferent to Spies, but now I’m sold, he is un-.......-real. The real deal
And thats the shame of it. i had high hope for my countryman, never really been a fan but rooted for him cos he's english. The northan monkey started well but found his top limit i think. i really dont think he would be faster on a faster bike to be honest. If theres a chance spies could be faster and tech 3 can sign him i say go for it. No room for dead wood at this level ( or you would think)
I would say it would be American replaces American. JT stays, CE goes…
Also, apropos of nothing else.
I used to be indifferent to Spies, but now I’m sold, he is un-.......-real. The real deal
And thats the shame of it. i had high hope for my countryman, never really been a fan but rooted for him cos he's english. The northan monkey started well but found his top limit i think. i really dont think he would be faster on a faster bike to be honest. If theres a chance spies could be faster and tech 3 can sign him i say go for it. No room for dead wood at this level ( or you would think)
