So, Stoner blames his tire for the crash?

livio suppo says it was his wrist.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70203

stoner says it was the front tyre
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70217

rossi says it was the pressure
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70205


i love motgp

Ah yes, the Stoner meltdown thread. Here is the deal (at least acording to little old me), the kid has heaps of talent, like everyone else on that track, but he is very very green and he is part of the new generation of riders that are not used to fighting but just having the best bike and running away from the pack right at the start. Points must be awarded to him for his ablity to control the beast that he rides to get away from the rest and to constantly get the pole but he still has a lot to learn and his phsyci needs to be stronger. This of course will come with time.

It seems to me that after the Laguna Seca battle he got a good taste of the machine that is Valentino Rossi when everything is working. This combination of rider, tires, and bike require a cool head to bet, one that Stoner hasn´t acquired yet, again give him time. Now Stoner just wants to get as far away from Rossi at the start of the race as he possibly can to avoid another fight. To do this he pushs much too hard and hits the dirt. I must admit that looking behind you and seeing that yellow getting close is enough to scare even the bravest but in order to learn he must hang on, trust himself, and fight if need be.

I hope that he learns that leason because Laguna was simply a breath taking race and I would like to see more like that.

Please note, fan moment to follow

Of course he can learn from the master but to better him is a whole different story. Rossi is simply well.....Rossi, the ONE. Other riders can only stand in awe and try to learn as much as possible while watching the ... of that yellow machine ride across the finish line ahead of them.

End of fan moment

Cheers

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Aug 31 2008, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah yes, the Stoner meltdown thread. Here is the deal (at least acording to little old me), the kid has heaps of talent, like everyone else on that track, but he is very very green and he is part of the new generation of riders that are not used to fighting but just having the best bike and running away from the pack right at the start. Points must be awarded to him for his ablity to control the beast that he rides to get away from the rest and to constantly get the pole but he still has a lot to learn and his phsyci needs to be stronger. This of course will come with time.

It seems to me that after the Laguna Seca battle he got a good taste of the machine that is Valentino Rossi when everything is working. This combination of rider, tires, and bike require a cool head to bet, one that Stoner hasn´t acquired yet, again give him time. Now Stoner just wants to get as far away from Rossi at the start of the race as he possibly can to avoid another fight. To do this he pushs much too hard and hits the dirt. I must admit that looking behind you and seeing that yellow getting close is enough to scare even the bravest but in order to learn he must hang on, trust himself, and fight if need be.

I hope that he learns that leason because Laguna was simply a breath taking race and I would like to see more like that.

Please note, fan moment to follow

Of course he can learn from the master but to better him is a whole different story. Rossi is simply well.....Rossi, the ONE. Other riders can only stand in awe and try to learn as much as possible while watching the ... of that yellow machine ride across the finish line ahead of them.

End of fan moment

Cheers


Thats fine, we all agree, Stoner is pish and folds under pressure.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 31 2008, 11:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>livio suppo says it was his wrist.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70203

stoner says it was the front tyre
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70217

rossi says it was the pressure
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70205


i love motgp
Out of all three statement, i think i agree with rossi because he is putting stoner under lot of pressure and then stoner try to reply with quick laps and by doing that he is pushing his bike and tyres to the limits all the time so really its no point blaming tyres when you try to push to hard and then crash.Its like if you are trying to do lap times of 1.33 on race tyre and then crash and then say oh front tyre gave on me, obviously there is limit for everything but i have to give full credit to CS to drive that beast on the limit all the time but some times it work and some time it don't.The difference between last year and this year is Rossi able to put some pressure on stoner but last year michelin and lack of yamaha power didn't allow rossi to put any kind of pressure on CS.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (citadina @ Sep 1 2008, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ah yes, the Stoner meltdown thread. Here is the deal (at least acording to little old me), the kid has heaps of talent, like everyone else on that track, but he is very very green and he is part of the new generation of riders that are not used to fighting but just having the best bike and running away from the pack right at the start. Points must be awarded to him for his ablity to control the beast that he rides to get away from the rest and to constantly get the pole but he still has a lot to learn and his phsyci needs to be stronger. This of course will come with time.

It seems to me that after the Laguna Seca battle he got a good taste of the machine that is Valentino Rossi when everything is working. This combination of rider, tires, and bike require a cool head to bet, one that Stoner hasn´t acquired yet, again give him time. Now Stoner just wants to get as far away from Rossi at the start of the race as he possibly can to avoid another fight. To do this he pushs much too hard and hits the dirt. I must admit that looking behind you and seeing that yellow getting close is enough to scare even the bravest but in order to learn he must hang on, trust himself, and fight if need be.

I hope that he learns that leason because Laguna was simply a breath taking race and I would like to see more like that.

Please note, fan moment to follow

Of course he can learn from the master but to better him is a whole different story. Rossi is simply well.....Rossi, the ONE. Other riders can only stand in awe and try to learn as much as possible while watching the ... of that yellow machine ride across the finish line ahead of them.

End of fan moment

Cheers

Btw, welcome back matey !...
Long time no post, where have you been ?...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 31 2008, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>livio suppo says it was his wrist.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70203

stoner says it was the front tyre
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70217

rossi says it was the pressure
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70205


i love motgp


It certainly is interesting to get the differing perspectives and/or comments.

Whilst no doubt many will agree with Rossi, his comments are opinion, Suppo's probably taken not long after Stoner fell also based on opinion and Stoner's come from the first hand experience of being there and having it happen.

As such to me Stoner was in the best position to know why he fell and therefore likely the most accurate and correct comment, but that is not to say that their is no possibility of VR's comments having some truth either. As outsiders we can only surmise which for many is what makes it so much fun.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 1 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It certainly is interesting to get the differing perspectives and/or comments.

Whilst no doubt many will agree with Rossi, his comments are opinion, Suppo's probably taken not long after Stoner fell also based on opinion and Stoner's come from the first hand experience of being there and having it happen.

As such to me Stoner was in the best position to know why he fell and therefore likely the most accurate and correct comment, but that is not to say that their is no possibility of VR's comments having some truth either. As outsiders we can only surmise which for many is what makes it so much fun.





Garry
its probability a bit of all 3

Listened to Prezziozi (spelling?) interviewed and he said they have to work on why they are not getting the same grip in races as they are in practice.
Last year the Ducati's put in heaps of long runs and had good tyre data to go on for the race. This year they only do 4 or 5 laps and then come in and make adjustments. Surely they can't know what the tyre is going to do on lap 9 or 10 if they are coming in after 4 or 5 hot laps and letting the tyres cool again or changing tyre's completely?

I think it was more psychological than the physical pain. I agree with what Rossi said that Stoner was fast but he was pushing tad too hard which leaves no room for error. Rossi even mentioned that he felt the warning on those corners too. A believe a good rider is the one who understands the warning signs and adjust himself according to it. I now have more respect for Rossi after his statements. But, nevertheless Stoner has got potential. I believe he will learn with time but to learn he needs to stand right up and finish races even if on second position. If he was even second the lead would have been small enough to catch up and keep the championship still open. But, the seasons seems to be closed for the Championship now. Lets see who gets second - Pedrosa or Stoner.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Sep 1 2008, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Listened to Prezziozi (spelling?) interviewed and he said they have to work on why they are not getting the same grip in races as they are in practice.
Last year the Ducati's put in heaps of long runs and had good tyre data to go on for the race. This year they only do 4 or 5 laps and then come in and make adjustments. Surely they can't know what the tyre is going to do on lap 9 or 10 if they are coming in after 4 or 5 hot laps and letting the tyres cool again or changing tyre's completely?

Hi Frizzle... that i recken is the most Inteligent coment ive heard on here and it makes a Shitload of sence.On the weekend i was reading a coment made by Stoner how he was only doing 5-8 laps then coming in and letting the tyres cool down. I myself thought that doesnt make sence why would he do that..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Sep 1 2008, 04:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Listened to Prezziozi (spelling?) interviewed and he said they have to work on why they are not getting the same grip in races as they are in practice.
Last year the Ducati's put in heaps of long runs and had good tyre data to go on for the race. This year they only do 4 or 5 laps and then come in and make adjustments. Surely they can't know what the tyre is going to do on lap 9 or 10 if they are coming in after 4 or 5 hot laps and letting the tyres cool again or changing tyre's completely?

It has been suggested that Ducati are running softer rubber in practice to gain a psychological advantage over Rossi, hence the shorter runs. When it comes to the race, and harder rubber, Casey appears to be oushing that bit too hard with less grip

So Rossi thinks it was the pressure. No .....

What a better team mate to Casey than Nicky. Casey will learn that he doesn't need to push and win races, but consistency will win championships. Casey can tone it down about 2-5% and still be faster than anyone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 1 2008, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a better team mate to Casey than Nicky. Casey will learn that he doesn't need to push and win races, but consistency will win championships.

Hey, we don't want another caretaker season with the champion winning only two races. Let's hope he doesn't listen.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Sep 1 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What a better team mate to Casey than Nicky. Casey will learn that he doesn't need to push and win races, but consistency will win championships.

Consistently falling off wont win races

my Gif tells why Casey crashes smell my fumes

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Sep 1 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my Gif tells why Casey crashes smell my fumes


cool. hope you dont mind but i nicked that baby

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Sep 1 2008, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cool. hope you dont mind but i nicked that baby

np a bit bigger 1 here

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