Should Paul Butler Resign

I say yes. He has proved once again he is to inept for the role in which he is paid. Sunday was a clear red flag situation, He put rider and track staff at risk. His statement he claim he only acted on info given to him. That's passing the buck, he is in charge the buck stops with him. He trains the safety staff after all.

Yes

With a rider on the track.6 ppl on the track in attendance to Tomi-san

Redding,De angelis Down being attended to

3 bikes down need moving

Debris on the track to remove

possibility of Oil water on track



He should resign or be Sacked and if he's sacked then the powers that be in Dorkna need to quit too

££$$ < Money Mad Tv Schedule's fook em



this is about the whole safety issue Yesterday



WSBK Red flagged yesterday in a riders down issue and if it was BSB IT Would have got red flagged straight away without a doubt





Paul Butler Sack his ...

Goes without saying.

Keshav said:

Goes without saying.

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What are RED FLAGS FOR.? A different view a clip from trackside taken by a spectator







[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTKbJTlbaws[/media]

Wow thats the first time i watch any video of the incident! it was a clear red flag situation! with so many bikes on the moto 2 grid it makes it even more dangerous. The track workers did a good job of handling such a dangerous situation

Pigeon said:

What are RED FLAGS FOR.? A different view a clip from trackside taken by a spectator

[media]http://www.youtube.c...h?v=rTKbJTlbaws[/media]

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This is also my first. They should have Red Flagged it. It was the lead group for .... sake! Who voted "No" without a reply? Intelligence is really shinning through.

A rider was lying incapacitated on the track and wreckage strewn all over the racing surface. No red flag was displayed. Maybe Butler resigned prior to the accident, and that's why there was no one acting as race director?



If he didn't resign prior to the accident, he'd be wise to go know. Tomizawa's death is not his fault, but his death reminds everyone that these riders are often seriously injured, but that we take their injuries quite lightly b/c they always seem to recover. The people in charge of safety should not think this way, and if Butler has become jaded over time to the sight of carnage, it would be best to replace him even if Dorna find him to be a competent race director.

That was an absolute disgrace, in no way should a prone rider be moved until proper medical attention has been administered, they should have red flagged the race immediately. Same goes for Scott, if he had a sustained a spinal injury they could have crippled him throwing him onto a stretcher like that... Shocking

Clinica Mobila principal speaks at MotoGP press conference:



Claudio Macchiagodena: “We want to speak about the accident today, a very bad accident involving three riders who crashed and who immediately had serious problems. One of the riders, Alex de Angelis, got up. The second rider (Scott Redding) had no problem. One was very serious, and as you know this was Shoya Tomizawa. Immediately the first idea I think is if it’s possible to stop the race because it’s dangerous, but the people with the stretcher immediately arrived and when you remove the rider from the track for my medical decision I do not ask Race Direction for the red flag because this does not help my job, because we delay the intervention for the ambulance. Behind the track protection we had one ambulance with the respirator inside and we started immediately all the intensive care for him. I didn’t ask for the red flag because I didn’t need it. After the rider came to the medical centre I had some people asking me why it took a lot of time. The intensive care started behind the protection of the track. Normally when you have a broken arm the ambulance is the same as a taxi, where you put the rider inside and send him quickly. Now it was very important to have the ventilation and two doctors. When he arrived at the medical centre his condition was critical, and we continued the intensive care. We had a lot of doctors but the situation was critical, we had a process for respiration. We checked an abdominal trauma with the scanner because it was a very serious situation not just for the cranial trauma, but for the chest and abdominal.



“He suffered a heart trauma and the best option was to transfer him to hospital in Riccione because it’s very close and because we have two doctors in the ambulance who continued the respiration process, and to go by helicopter was very far and not possible for this process. When he arrived in hospital we continued for ten minutes or more... but in the end nothing could be changed for Tomizawa.”





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I am only posting this to show the other side of situation

From that video I count 15 marshals effectively on track, plus riders. Unquestionably a red flag situation.

I see 4 No vote's but no posts from the No voters. I'm interested in knowing who these no voters are and there reasons for a no vote ! Why the anonymity ?

chopperman said:

I see 4 No vote's but no posts from the No voters. I'm interested in knowing who these no voters are and there reasons for a no vote ! Why the anonymity ?

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I voted no & have written in the other thread

chopperman said:

I see 4 No vote's but no posts from the No voters. I'm interested in knowing who these no voters are and there reasons for a no vote ! Why the anonymity ?

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What anonymity? It's a public poll so you can see who voted no by clicking on the poll results.

I didn't vote, nor will I as it makes no difference. But why the witch hunt Chopper?

baturro said:

I didn't vote, nor will I as it makes no difference. But why the witch hunt Chopper?

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No witch hunt as you put it. Just every poster claim's to have voted yes but there are several no votes but no posts / opinion's accompanying those votes. I find that rather strange given my experience on this board.

mylexicon said:

What anonymity? It's a public poll so you can see who voted no by clicking on the poll results.

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Didn't realise you could do that.

I voted no 'cause although I DO think it was a red flag situation 100% AND I do think that Butler has a history that indicates that he may not be the person for the job - I also believe that he should be judged in front of his peers in the racing community and most definitely NOT by media or forum critics. Just my humble...

I voted no Rog. and you full well know why from the other thread.



The Medics and Marshals at the scene of the accident, did a very good job under extreme stress. They made the decision to get him to better equipment fast. Had they waited for a red flag, or to get the ambulance in there to Shoya ( when one was waiting outside the barrier ) then they would have been eating into the 3 minutes that Shoya had to get blood to his brain.



It was a good call, and from what I saw the marshals tried franticlly to carry out that call.



For those who say they should not have moved him, Shoya was dead when he was hit by the other bikes, that is pretty obvious now from the footage and from the obvious efforts of the medicos. They knew the situation, and probably despite what anybody from race direction or "whatever", would have still moved him. Thankfully that is one of the traits of "Doctors", they can react to a situation as they see it, and veto remote instruction should it be profferred.



If he did just leave Shoya ther and wait for the ambo to get around , it would have been too late.



Butler had absolutely no say in this situation:



A because the medico reacted to the emergency ofthe situation rapidly as was needed, and very likely would have not listened to anything a Butler or Espelato said in the matter. Had they even had the time to react.



If you say they should have waited till the race was red flagged this would have been very hard to watch. I say thank you to the Marshals and medicos who had the foresight to veto that and go out and attempt to start work on Shoya immediately.



He would have had absolutely no chance had they not done that. It would not even have been worth rushing him to hospital. They had a tiny window of time folks .... tiny.



This is an idiotic thread, thoughtless, ignorant and very counter productive. Just once again Rog. and co. trying to "rule the world" from his armchair. Thankfully such is not the case.



I said it before Rog. The Shoya situation is dsturbing for all. You need to sit back and shut up and think about the crap you come out with at such times.

Mick D said:

I voted no 'cause although I DO think it was a red flag situation 100% AND I do think that Butler has a history that indicates that he may not be the person for the job - I also believe that he should be judged in front of his peers in the racing community and most definitely NOT by media or forum critics. Just my humble...

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I agree, well put.