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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 7 2008, 01:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I don't necessarily agree with is that ducati continues to have a marked software advantage, given the resources of honda and yamaha in particular and the number of software engineers in the world. I believe tc has enabled them to maximize the advantage they get from the power advantage I think they probably do have under the current race fuel restrictions.

I think this is the best comment I've seen so far in the forum with regards to the current (and hopefully temporary) Ducati advantage this year. The age old hot rodders creed...power isn't any good unless you can put it to the ground, right?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 7 2008, 06:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think somebody from ducati also said last year that stoner could do individual laps just as fast without tc, which doesn't make it true of course. It is too long ago for me to remember the link, but I think it was mentioned on this forum.

Most of the stuff i've read from the experts says that TC doesn't make riders faster than they are without it, but it makes the tyres last.

People complain about electronic advancements as if they are allergic. It's just another element of motorcyle design and it would be foolish not to use the available technology. Ducati may have the best software out there, but that is only their design philosiphy. Other teams use different comprises to make their version of the best possible race bike, with a better chassis or aerodynamics for example. This diversity is a huge credit to motogp right now and i think its a shame that so many people complain that Ducati have the best bike despite the results saying otherwise.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 7 2008, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Most of the stuff i've read from the experts says that TC doesn't make riders faster than they are without it, but it makes the tyres last.

People complain about electronic advancements as if they are allergic. It's just another element of motorcyle design and it would be foolish not to use the available technology. Ducati may have the best software out there, but that is only their design philosiphy. Other teams use different comprises to make their version of the best possible race bike, with a better chassis or aerodynamics for example. This diversity is a huge credit to motogp right now and i think its a shame that so many people complain that Ducati have the best bike despite the results saying otherwise.
where did you read this and what "experts" ?

i read that when dovi i think it was first tried his motogp bke he was surprised how easy it was to ride. he said you could just open the throttle wide mid corner on full lean and get away with it. he also said if he did that on his 250 he would have been spat off. stark contrast to what these "expert" said in where ever you read it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 7 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where did you read this and what "experts" ?

i read that when dovi i think it was first tried his motogp bke he was surprised how easy it was to ride. he said you could just open the throttle wide mid corner on full lean and get away with it. he also said if he did that on his 250 he would have been spat off. stark contrast to what these "expert" said in where ever you read it.

.... EVERYONE who's rode the 800 says it's a ..... bike....even the AMA 1000s are harder to ride..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 7 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where did you read this and what "experts" ?

i read that when dovi i think it was first tried his motogp bke he was surprised how easy it was to ride. he said you could just open the throttle wide mid corner on full lean and get away with it. he also said if he did that on his 250 he would have been spat off. stark contrast to what these "expert" said in where ever you read it.


yep i agree with you rog id rather take a riders word for it because they are the only ones that really put the bike throuh its passes, most of these "experts" talk .... they only tell you what the see from a spectators point of view.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 7 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>where did you read this and what "experts" ?

i read that when dovi i think it was first tried his motogp bke he was surprised how easy it was to ride. he said you could just open the throttle wide mid corner on full lean and get away with it. he also said if he did that on his 250 he would have been spat off. stark contrast to what these "expert" said in where ever you read it.

well i'm going by things i've come accross from people, most notably Jeremy Burgess, Neil spalding, and Jorge Lorenzo.

turning up the TC to allow the throttle to open with no consequence is safer and perhaps how the bikes are given to rookies innitially to keep them safe, but it's not the fastest way to go and the top rider won't race like that. You can in fact hear the top riders use less TC than the slower ones.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jul 7 2008, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can scan it if you wish?Scanny scanny scan scan, as intrigued people are inclined to say. Yes please.

But I'm not sure there is such a thing as a reputable magazine anymore, the proof is in the reading...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Jul 7 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But I'm not sure there is such a thing as a reputable magazine anymore, the proof is in the reading...

are you questioning the journalistic integrity of the wonderful, accurate VIZ magazine?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goatboy @ Jul 7 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Scanny scanny scan scan, as intrigued people are inclined to say. Yes please.

But I'm not sure there is such a thing as a reputable magazine anymore, the proof is in the reading...
must admit im pretty interested to read it too.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jul 7 2008, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>First of all, I am not referring to MCN of England. I am referring to Australian motorcycle news, a (very reputable) magazine. Obviously, I can't provide links to magazines.

I can scan it if you wish?
Please...

I miss AMCN now that I'm in Blighty for the <strike>summer</strike> rain earning <strike>cash</strike> pesos.
 
Sorry for the late reply, but I'm sure you understand that I have a job to attend to.

It was in the bumper issue over the new year, a long interview with Casey. I have AMCN magazines all around the house so it's going to be hard finding it, but I'll do it for you guys.

TC is not very useful on qualifying tyres or even fresh race tyres. The benefits of traction control are apparent in conditions where traction is less than favourable.

In any case, I hope TC gets binned. I want to see riders controlling how much power the engine is feeding the rear wheel, not the ECU and the rider. I can, however, understand the arguments that can be made in favour of TC(mainly, the increase in safety, preserving the 'purity' of prototype racing and, of course, improving technology on road bikes).
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jul 11 2008, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In any case, I hope TC gets binned. I want to see riders controlling how much power the engine is feeding the rear wheel, not the ECU and the rider. I can, however, understand the arguments that can be made in favour of TC(mainly, the increase in safety, preserving the 'purity' of prototype racing and, of course, improving technology on road bikes).

It would certainly make the racing more exciting!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RCV600RR @ Jul 11 2008, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry for the late reply, but I'm sure you understand that I have a job to attend to.

It was in the bumper issue over the new year, a long interview with Casey. I have AMCN magazines all around the house so it's going to be hard finding it, but I'll do it for you guys.

TC is not very useful on qualifying tyres or even fresh race tyres. The benefits of traction control are apparent in conditions where traction is less than favourable.

In any case, I hope TC gets binned. I want to see riders controlling how much power the engine is feeding the rear wheel, not the ECU and the rider. I can, however, understand the arguments that can be made in favour of TC(mainly, the increase in safety, preserving the 'purity' of prototype racing and, of course, improving technology on road bikes).
are these caseys words or your opinion's ? im not sure if your quoting what he said in amcn here or not
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>are these caseys words or your opinion's ? im not sure if your quoting what he said in amcn here or not
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I already posted what Casey said. That post was my take, although I do share Casey's opinion on these issues...

He wanted a return to 990 and said he wouldn't mind having no TC(although he acknowledged it would be more dangerous). If I find it I'll post it...
 

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