Sete needs to lose a little weight

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 3 2008, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Sete, just what we need, another guy who Rossi can beat just by looking at him. Mind you, if Rossi says he'll never eat another pie, the weight will fall off him.
Pete


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 3 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I may be wrong, but I thought bikergirl was implying melandri gets more money if he completes these 2 races and hence might be more amenable to seeking greener pastures after this, whilst suppo might have preferred to replace him sooner. Hopefully she may translate the linked article if she has time; showing her baby some of the motogp races this year might improve her sleeping pattern.
Morgan has never missed a race so far except Donington. We're even thinking of taking her off to Misano this summer. Or maybe Valencia again. The races sadly have no impact on her sleeping pattern though..nor mine!!
I'll try to translate that write up for you guys this morning.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 3 2008, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Sete, just what we need, another guy who Rossi can beat just by looking at him. Mind you, if Rossi says he'll never eat another pie, the weight will fall off him.

Ah, the sweet smell of apple pie and a creamy topping of wit.

Most try, few succeed. Gold!

Yeah gibernau might have a bit of a gut, but more importantly who wants to see some more of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jg54blFlg

proves once and for all, melandri is an overrated rider and one does not need "time to learn a bike"

your either fast from day dot or your not.

yes u can improve your times marginally as time goes by, but your not going to be 3 seconds off the pace just coz your "learning the bike"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dannyisnow @ Jul 4 2008, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah gibernau might have a bit of a gut, but more importantly who wants to see some more of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0jg54blFlg
oh yes, that was a classic. i have a burky painting of that controversial hard by fair imo move.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 4 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>proves once and for all, melandri is an overrated rider and one does not need "time to learn a bike"

your either fast from day dot or your not.

yes u can improve your times marginally as time goes by, but your not going to be 3 seconds off the pace just coz your "learning the bike"
what the .... has that got to do with sete ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 3 2008, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If thats what you call fat, then what do we call Roger?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Jul 3 2008, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Roger - As in RogerLee?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 3 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Sete, just what we need, another guy who Rossi can beat just by looking at him. Mind you, if Rossi says he'll never eat another pie, the weight will fall off him.

Pete


I don't think they want a guy who can podium ...... but they do want a guy who can get near say pos. 5. As Capirossi showed, such performances add to the efforts of the better rider in your team by taking ints away from rival riders, especially on those odd days when a rider has an off day.

Eg. Lets imagine if Melandri and Guinters took that extra 5 points from Vale last week ....... Stoner would have been that much closer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jul 4 2008, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think they want a guy who can podium ...... but they do want a guy who can get near say pos. 5. As Capirossi showed, such performances add to the efforts of the better rider in your team by taking ints away from rival riders, especially on those odd days when a rider has an off day.

Eg. Lets imagine if Melandri and Guinters took that extra 5 points from Vale last week ....... Stoner would have been that much closer.
I agree in general, but you can only have 1 point taken from you by another rider if you finish worse than fifth, and I think guintoli actually did this last week, whilst elias and melandri did not. You are correct that gibernau almost certainly would have.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 5 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree in general, but you can only have 1 point taken from you by another rider if you finish worse than fifth, and I think guintoli actually did this last week, whilst elias and melandri did not. You are correct that gibernau almost certainly would have.


oops you are right it was elias and Melandri ...... how could I have beliitled the No.2 Duc. rider so! LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jul 3 2008, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah Sete, just what we need, another guy who Rossi can beat just by looking at him. Mind you, if Rossi says he'll never eat another pie, the weight will fall off him.

Pete

ha ha - missed this one first time round

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 4 2008, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree also. I like sete, think he is a very good rider, I am sure would help develop the bike and is a good short term option for ducati if he still has or can re-develop the stamina to go race distance.

But as you say, he is proveably no rossi beater even with arguably superior equipment in the past. Whatever else anyone thinks or says about stoner, I think there is general agreement here and everywhere that he doesn't scare easily. Even with a crucial bike advantage such as casey arguably had at catalunya last year, I don't think sete would cope as well with the sustained pressure that an even close to equal rossi/yamaha package could bring to bear in a race like catalunya 2007.

Well said. But, if Sete Gibernau can still be THAT fast at his age after 18 months of inactivity, - on a supposedly intractable bike - then what are we to make of all the talk we heard this year about the new generation of riders being so much faster than the old one? Pure BS?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 4 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well said. But, if Sete Gibernau can still be THAT fast at his age after 18 months of inactivity, - on a supposedly intractable bike - then what are we to make of all the talk we heard this year about the new generation of riders being so much faster than the old one? Pure BS?
spot on mate and thanks for saying it

stick gibers on a dam honda he wont be that fast on it with that gut

i mean look at the weight difference between hayden and pedro that shows

i think if he looses a few he may even get a better time.

that ducati has some serious horsepower if it can get "gut" around the track that fast.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Jul 4 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well said. But, if Sete Gibernau can still be THAT fast at his age after 18 months of inactivity, - on a supposedly intractable bike - then what are we to make of all the talk we heard this year about the new generation of riders being so much faster than the old one? Pure BS?
I don't disagree, but sete had the pace to be more competitive than he was with rossi during most of his(?previous) career. Maybe stoner and pedrosa aren't actually faster than sete, just less susceptible to hexes . We may also have the answer as to who the gp07 was developed for or even partly by, since as we have discussed previously going by results it would seem unlikely to have been loris capirossi, and it would have required further occult activity for them to have known to develop it for their fourth choice as a new rider .

Lorenzo (whom I admire now, not so much previously) does not now seem to be saying that 800cc motogp bikes are really easy to ride, though.

EDIT
Come to think of it, the fact that sete would appear to be so well suited to ducati 800cc motogp bikes is probably further proof of the power of rossi's mojo. Those who have insulted rossi on this forum should be worried if they can be identified.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DirtyD86 @ Jul 4 2008, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MotoGP used to be the best riders in the world competing against each other on a wild beast of a bike, now it seems everyone wants to see anorexic dwarves with no personality pointing the bike in the right direction and letting electronics do the rest. when did this happen? i seem to have missed the transition

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Jul 4 2008, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come to think of it, the fact that sete would appear to be so well suited to ducati 800cc motogp bikes is probably further proof of the power of rossi's mojo.

How are these things related?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Jul 4 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>proves once and for all, melandri is an overrated rider and one does not need "time to learn a bike"

your either fast from day dot or your not.

yes u can improve your times marginally as time goes by, but your not going to be 3 seconds off the pace just coz your "learning the bike"

If the other two Ducati's were in the top 10 i would agree, but Melandri is not an overrated rider and hes a 250cc champ.

Stoner is the only one thats proved he can ride the Duke, If Sete is not in the Top 10 then thats more evidence.

For Me Stoner is not better than Melandri technically... but he has bigger balls and rides that thing on the very edge.

Without Electronics and a good tech guy or a controlled ECU it would not be possible to ride like this, he would not be in the top 10 either.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 4 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How are these things related?
I was making an admittedly lame joke that he retired the year just before the team he was with came up with a championship winning bike in the gp07 which he unlike several others would seem likely to have been able to ride given that he is fast on the gp08.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 4 2008, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For Me Stoner is not better than Melandri technically... but he has bigger balls and rides that thing on the very edge.

Without Electronics and a good tech guy or a controlled ECU it would not be possible to ride like this, he would not be in the top 10 either.
I don't disagree concerning melandri and stoner.

It was said by ducati I think last year that he could ride individual laps on the gp07 just as fast with the tc turned off, but I guess they would say that, wouldn't they ? However in this vein it seems excessively ingenuous, even for casey, to come out and say his improvement is due to electronics when he has spent the better part of a year being pissed off with people saying that it is the electronics and not him winning; I wonder if it is a smokescreen to disguise improvements elsewhere. There has been speculation that they have made a hardware alteration, in particular the swing-arm, or that they have changed the whole engine. I hesitate to say it, maybe tyres come into it.