Sepang Test

#22 said:

I'm sorry, but screw you Casey Stoner. You can ride bikes better than anyone on earth, and I've no doubt that in that you've learned quite a bit about the technical side of bike setups, but in no way can you consider yourself an engineer.

While you have been off riding bikes, I have worked my ... off to become an engineer getting both a Diploma and a Bachelors Degree, which involves a lot of sacrifice and commitment, both personal and financial, which I'll still be paying back for the next 20-30 years. Plus, Engineering isn't just telling people how to set up a bike..it's years of learning about material properties, raw ....... maths, engine technology, bending moments, co-efficients of drag/friction, thermodynemics and aerodynamics and account ....... management to name just a fraction of the modules I had to do. So don't be calling yourself an Engineer when you haven't earned the title of one!

Rant over.

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Perhaps I actually am the biggest Stoner fanboi on here, since I currently seem to be engaged in defending him against other Stoner fans.

The headline was not Stoner's, and as an engineer you should probably be flattered since he in essence seems to be saying he would rather have been an engineer than the best bike rider in the world, and that he is hoping to learn from real engineers rather than considering himself to be one. I have always been considered to be a reasonably good doctor, and take satisfaction in being so, but would probably still have preferred to be the best GP bike rider in the world myself.

Good luck with your career, it is an admirable pursuit as Casey to my ear is saying. I could probably have passed the course in a breeze, such things being my particular talent, but having absolutely zero mechanical talent couldn't have succeeded at all at actually being an engineer.

#22 said:

I'm sorry, but screw you Casey Stoner. You can ride bikes better than anyone on earth, and I've no doubt that in that you've learned quite a bit about the technical side of bike setups, but in no way can you consider yourself an engineer.

While you have been off riding bikes, I have worked my ... off to become an engineer getting both a Diploma and a Bachelors Degree, which involves a lot of sacrifice and commitment, both personal and financial, which I'll still be paying back for the next 20-30 years. Plus, Engineering isn't just telling people how to set up a bike..it's years of learning about material properties, raw ....... maths, engine technology, bending moments, co-efficients of drag/friction, thermodynemics and aerodynamics and account ....... management to name just a fraction of the modules I had to do. So don't be calling yourself an Engineer when you haven't earned the title of one!

Rant over.

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Blimey #22...you could have saved yourself the blood sweat and tears by simply reading Tom and Barry's powerslide posts for the past eight years.

michaelm said:

The headline was not Stoner's, and as an engineer you should probably be flattered since he in essence seems to be saying he would rather have been an engineer than the best bike rider in the world, and that he is hoping to learn from real engineers rather than considering himself to be one.

Good luck with your career, it is an admirable pursuit as Casey to my ear is saying. I could probably have passed the course in a breeze, such things being my particular talent, but having absolutely zero mechanical talent couldn't have succeeded at all at actually being an engineer.

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Good post, and thank you. Ahh so you are one of those intellectual types huh?

I don't think any petrolhead would rather be an engineer than be the best bike rider in the world, certainly not anyone I've met!

Arrabbiata1 said:

Blimey #22...you could have saved yourself the blood sweat and tears by simply reading Tom and Barry's powerslide posts for the past eight years.

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Damn, why didn't I think of that?! However, I graduate in 2004...so long before I found this place.

#22 said:

I'm sorry, but screw you Casey Stoner. You can ride bikes better than anyone on earth, and I've no doubt that in that you've learned quite a bit about the technical side of bike setups, but in no way can you consider yourself an engineer.

While you have been off riding bikes, I have worked my ... off to become an engineer getting both a Diploma and a Bachelors Degree, which involves a lot of sacrifice and commitment, both personal and financial, which I'll still be paying back for the next 20-30 years. Plus, Engineering isn't just telling people how to set up a bike..it's years of learning about material properties, raw ....... maths, engine technology, bending moments, co-efficients of drag/friction, thermodynemics and aerodynamics and account ....... management to name just a fraction of the modules I had to do. So don't be calling yourself an Engineer when you haven't earned the title of one!

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What all that and you dont believe in vsg,s!!!???


But to be honest, i do somewhat credit Stoner with some engineering cred. Do you seriously not see the engineering input, in his field, that he could give? How would you go in that testing role?

As i,m sure you,ve met, there are many area specialists out there in engineering related fields,
who are not formally academically qualified or are actually trained in other fields.

Though Arab ...... none have come from the greeting card industry such as youself

BarryMachine said:

What all that and you dont believe in vsg,s!!!???


But to be honest, i do somewhat credit Stoner with some engineering cred. Do you seriously not see the engineering input, in his field, that he could give? How would you go in that testing role?

As i,m sure you,ve met, there are many area specialists out there in engineering related fields,
who are not formally academically qualified or are actually trained in other fields.

Though Arab ...... none have come from the greeting card industry such as youself

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Since I'm eminently qualified to do so, allow me to be amongst the first to congratulate you on your recent 95th Birthday Bazza.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Since I'm eminently qualified to do so, allow me to be amongst the first to congratulate you on your recent 95th Birthday Bazza.

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No .... see now there you go Arab ..... the greeting card reference means ........ no matter what you write ...... you aren,t qualified. ........ even for greeting cards ....... even for hupta-nonogenarians.

#22 said:

I'm sorry, but screw you Casey Stoner. You can ride bikes better than anyone on earth, and I've no doubt that in that you've learned quite a bit about the technical side of bike setups, but in no way can you consider yourself an engineer.

While you have been off riding bikes, I have worked my ... off to become an engineer getting both a Diploma and a Bachelors Degree, which involves a lot of sacrifice and commitment, both personal and financial, which I'll still be paying back for the next 20-30 years. Plus, Engineering isn't just telling people how to set up a bike..it's years of learning about material properties, raw ....... maths, engine technology, bending moments, co-efficients of drag/friction, thermodynemics and aerodynamics and account ....... management to name just a fraction of the modules I had to do. So don't be calling yourself an Engineer when you haven't earned the title of one!

Rant over.

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Have to be honest here 22 and say that I didn't read it as CS calling himself an engineer but rather him saying that he admires the engineers and would have liked to have gone down the technical engineer path if he could have.

I think Mike has already said it, but to me he was saying that he wished he could have been an engineer and hopes to use his skills on the bike to help in that area for Ducati.

As for your studying, congratulation mate and seriously hope it all works out for you as I do not envy you one iota and will happily stick with my office job behind a desk. I left school many moons ago to get away from studying so I admire all those that have made the effort over time to study and better themselves for it.

That all said, there have been better rants and personally I would give it a 5.5.

Personally there was not enough profanity nor capital letters to indicate your disgust and disdain plus you actually made a point whereas rants generally do not reach a logical point at the conclusion. So the best I could do is the 5.5 but it was a good start and does show promise for furture 'rants'

BarryMachine said:

No .... see now there you go Arab ..... the greeting card reference means ........ no matter what you write ...... you aren,t qualified. ........ even for greeting cards ....... even for hupta-nonogenarians.

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Jumping Jilliby, If it ain't me old mate an' sparring partner Barry J Taylor.

How's retirement Baz?

Been enjoying those dog days of a...hang on, best re-phrase that...been enjoying those lazy days of a long hot Oz summer?

Let's not beat around the bush so to speak, where have you been Bazzer and what you been up to?

Gaz said:

As for your studying, congratulation mate and seriously hope it all works out for you as I do not envy you one iota and will happily stick with my office job behind a desk. I left school many moons ago to get away from studying so I admire all those that have made the effort over time to study and better themselves for it.

That all said, there have been better rants and personally I would give it a 5.5.

Personally there was not enough profanity nor capital letters to indicate your disgust and disdain plus you actually made a point whereas rants generally do not reach a logical point at the conclusion. So the best I could do is the 5.5 but it was a good start and does show promise for furture 'rants'

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Just to be clear, I qualified over 10 years ago and have since worked in Formula One, Heavy Duty and now work for an Automotive OEM.

Well I don't give a .... what you ....... think about my lack of ....... profanity you .... muncha!

Arrabbiata1 said:

Let's not beat around the bush so to speak, where have you been Bazzer and what you been up to?

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You answered your own question.

#22 said:

Well I don't give a .... what you ....... think about my lack of ....... profanity you .... muncha!

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Well in that case good sir, I shall suggest that you go forth and fornicate with thyself ...............




As for the munching of cocks, I shall leave that to others as personally I would be concerned that the hair would get caught in my teeth

An MV - Sepang MotoGP Test: Rossi: 'I think Stoner wants to race' | MotoGP 0



Comments from riders - but the part for MV is highlighted below in italics


Here are the opinions of some of Casey Stoner's former rivals, plus new boss Gigi Dall'Igna, after the Australian's impressive MotoGP return as a Ducati test rider at Sepang.

The 30-year-old double world champion, who retired at the end of 2012, set the fifth best lap time on the final day of official testing and was also the fastest Desmosedici rider.

Jorge Lorenzo: “First Ducati rider - not bad after several years fishing! Obviously this track he likes, it is one of the favourites for Casey, but Iannone is not slow. He is one of the fastest riders and he is behind. Andrea [Dovizioso] also has a lot of experience and likes Sepang and is behind also. So it demonstrates that Casey didn't lose the talent and speed.”

Valentino Rossi: “First of all, it is very good to see the lap times like this [on the timing screen]; Lorenzo, Rossi, Marquez, Stoner, Pedrosa - everybody. This is very good for the championship. Already the level is very high but with Stoner he has more potential that can come, but he was very fast. I think he wants to race but I don't know if it will happen.” [Stoner denies he plans to race].

Cal Crutchlow: “Casey is Casey. He is an incredible rider and probably the fastest of the last decade, give or take. He and Marc are the two guys you'd look at for sheer speed. I didn't expect him to be any less fast than he was.

“He knows how to ride a motorcycle. Sure, having a year off is not easy. I wouldn't want to come back and be thrown in the deep end, but for sure he's an incredible rider. In my eyes it wasn't going to be anything different. He wasn't going to be doing 2m 7s.

“He's ridden motorcycles all his life and he's natural at it. I didn't expect anything less. He's certainly shown everyone that his speed is still there, no doubt about that, imagine if he did another three or four tests and a race. He's going to be there. I can guarantee that. It was good to see him back.”

Gigi Dall'Igna (Ducati): “It's really easy [working with Casey]. His feedback is really good since the first day. We prepared some test list for the first day but frankly speaking I didn't expect him to do anything; just try to work on the set-up and to give him the right feeling on the bike.

“At the end of the first day we finish completely the test list and this surprised me. I didn't expect this. He's confident with the bike and the tyres. This is only his third day with the bike...

“Frankly speaking I expected this [speed] from Casey. He is fast. This is not strange news!”

Interesting bit from Crash, the top 50 laptimes from the 3 day test:

1. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1m 59.580s
2. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1m 59.595s
3. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1m 59.614s
4. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 1m 59.966s
5. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 0.016s
6. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 0.189s
7. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 0.209s
8. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 0.285s
9. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 0.556s
10. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 0.714s
11. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 0.745s
12. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 0.746s
13. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 0.790s
14. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 0.882s
15. Marquez (Honda) 2m 0.883s
16. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 0.924s
17. Marquez (Honda) 2m 0.925s
18. Crutchlow (Honda) 2m 0.992s
19. Marquez (Honda) 2m 1.047s
20. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 1.060s
21. Stoner (Ducati) 2m 1.070s
22. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 1.090s
23. Stoner (Ducati) 2m 1.096s
24. Pedrosa (Honda) 2m 1.161s
25. Petrucci (Ducati) 2m 1.217s
26. Marquez (Honda) 2m 1.218s
27. Iannone (Ducati) 2m 1.223s
28. Redding (Ducati) 2m 1.229s
29. Marquez (Honda) 2m 1.237s
30. Vinales (Suzuki) 2m 1.244s
31. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 1.246s
32. Marquez (Honda) 2m 1.255s
33. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 1.264s
34. Lorenzo (Yamaha) 2m 1.271s
35. Iannone (Ducati) 2m 1.286s
36. Crutchlow (Honda) 2m 1.353s
37. Pedrosa (Honda) 2m 1.380s
38. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 1.381s
39. Redding (Ducati) 2m 1.410s
40. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 1.422s
41. Barbera (Ducati) 2m 1.434s
42. Stoner (Ducati) 2m 1.462s
43. Pedrosa (Honda) 2m 1.462s
44. Rossi (Yamaha) 2m 1.478s
45. Vinales (Suzuki) 2m 1.479s
46. Vinales (Suzuki) 2m 1.485s
47. Crutchlow (Honda) 2m 1.499s
48. Barbera (Ducati) 2m 1.508s
49. Marquez (Honda) 2m 1.545s
50. Barbera (Ducati) 2m 1.562s
Read more at MotoGP News - Sepang MotoGP Test: Top 50 laps

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May I just say - Lorenzo is a machine .............. thank you

Gaz said:

May I just say - Lorenzo is a machine .............. thank you

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Wow! He must be related!!

Lorenzo's lap times at Valencia were much like the ones up there at the Sepang test.

Dude is a ....... metronome.

#22 said:

I'm sorry, but screw you Casey Stoner. You can ride bikes better than anyone on earth, and I've no doubt that in that you've learned quite a bit about the technical side of bike setups, but in no way can you consider yourself an engineer.

While you have been off riding bikes, I have worked my ... off to become an engineer getting both a Diploma and a Bachelors Degree, which involves a lot of sacrifice and commitment, both personal and financial, which I'll still be paying back for the next 20-30 years. Plus, Engineering isn't just telling people how to set up a bike..it's years of learning about material properties, raw ....... maths, engine technology, bending moments, co-efficients of drag/friction, thermodynemics and aerodynamics and account ....... management to name just a fraction of the modules I had to do. So don't be calling yourself an Engineer when you haven't earned the title of one!

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Honestly, I have no plan to race,” Stoner said. “My role is completely changed now. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, but I'm taking the role of an engineer as a test rider, because a lot of test riders have careers where they want to achieve things and move forward, but I'm interested in each step, what it does, why it does it.
Read more at http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/22...tis-fastest-engineer.html#XpBISRtA1vjfWktZ.99


If anything he is big-upping engineers, by saying had he not had to be the fastest guy on the planet, he would have done something really worthwhile with his life, like becoming an engineer. Now that he is free from the ........, he can do something meaningful.

Well done Jums, now I feel like a ......

Jumkie said:

Honestly, I have no plan to race,” Stoner said. “My role is completely changed now. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, but I'm taking the role of an engineer as a test rider, because a lot of test riders have careers where they want to achieve things and move forward, but I'm interested in each step, what it does, why it does it.
Read more at MotoGP News - Sepang MotoGP Test: Casey Stoner: Ducati?s fastest engineer


If anything he is big-upping engineers, by saying had he not had to be the fastest guy on the planet, he would have done something really worthwhile with his life, like becoming an engineer. Now that he is free from the ........, he can do something meaningful.

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I'm going to be honest here.

I think what Stoner is doing by choosing not to ride in competition is an absolute waste. Yes I know it is his life and his choice ultimately.

But to have that kind of a talent, and then not put it to the best use possible, which is riding grand prix motorcycles in the world championship, is to me the most short-sighted decision one could make imo. You have a gift to do something better than anyone else on this planet, and then you completely waste it by cycling around in testing talking about how you are going to be an engineer of sorts is such a travesty and selfish.

For him, whether he admits it or not, there's going to come a day when he will wish he hadn't retired when he did. He'll never admit it. There is such a small window in which one has to put that kind of a skillset to good use, that once it's gone, you'll never have another chance. He's like the guy who runs away from the one thing he was meant to do in life, and tries to avoid it as best as he can while offering cliches about how he is happy just flipping burgers in a restaurant kitchen or finding himself in the wilderness.

Someone should punch him in the face till he gets amnesia and forgets why he quit, and just wants to race again.

It's one thing I give Valentino Rossi, he continues riding. I may dislike him tremendously, but he never deprived his fans the way Stoner did.

JPSLotus said:

I'm going to be honest here.

I think what Stoner is doing by choosing not to ride in competition is an absolute waste. Yes I know it is his life and his choice ultimately.

But to have that kind of a talent, and then not put it to the best use possible, which is riding grand prix motorcycles in the world championship, is to me the most short-sighted decision one could make imo. You have a gift to do something better than anyone else on this planet, and then you completely waste it by cycling around in testing talking about how you are going to be an engineer of sorts is such a travesty and selfish.

For him, whether he admits it or not, there's going to come a day when he will wish he hadn't retired when he did. He'll never admit it. There is such a small window in which one has to put that kind of a skillset to good use, that once it's gone, you'll never have another chance. He's like the guy who runs away from the one thing he was meant to do in life, and tries to avoid it as best as he can while offering cliches about how he is happy just flipping burgers in a restaurant kitchen or finding himself in the wilderness.

Someone should punch him in the face till he gets amnesia and forgets why he quit, and just wants to race again.

It's one thing I give Valentino Rossi, he continues riding. I may dislike him tremendously, but he never deprived his fans the way Stoner did.

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I hear you bro. Its definitely frustrating for us fans of the sport but i think your anger is misdirected. I see it quite different. First of all, we should never lose sight of why he retired! That is the crux. Because of that I infinitely have more respect for him. On top of that, him coming back to test and show his talent drives home the point of his retirement. I love it.

I just texted this to my two homies (Mdub& JK) yesterday who had a similar take:

"You guys should be praising Stoner who is making a mockery of GP. 'Look at me, I'm better than the 9x hero champion.' The series has a retired test rider turned enginqueer faster than all the riders. That's embarrassing."

If there is one thing that defines my view of the sport it's that it is a farce. (And before I get another tired useless turd asking me why do I watch it then, my response is 'eat a ....' if you can't figure it out no use explaining.) This is my operating premise and Casey Stoner is the only person with the balls that has ever taken a stand on it. And what a stand it is, the best rider saying .... this ........ because it's ........! His return to testing contrasting the events from the last three months is sublime from my perspective. I'm laughing my ... off every time I see a headline or report about Casey because I see it as a big .... you to all those, especially the organizers, media, and particularly fans that gave him grief. The dude is happier now, he won, the rest of us are still stuck with 3/4 of a million insane petitioners, chickenshit media (save Krops and Trunkman) complicit enabling the puppet master organizers in 'doctoring' the sport. Rossi has had the organizers wrapped around his figure for years. Anybody would still be racing with such support too. Les we forget Rossi threatened to quit the sport multiple times, then he got his way. The fact he could (given his recent test) blow everyone out of the water in the championship is nothing less that pure joy for me. As if Rossi's epic meltdown wasn't enough vindication about the truth the sport is highjacked, this is just icing on my cake.

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I hear you bro. Its definitely frustrating for us fans of the sport but i think your anger is misdirected. I see it quite different. First of all, we should never lose sight of why he retired! That is the crux. Because of that I infinitely have more respect for him. On top of that, him coming back to test and show his talent drives home the point of his retirement. I love it.

I just texted this to my two homies (Mdub& JK) yesterday who had a similar take:

"You guys should be praising Stoner who is making a mockery of GP. 'Look at me, I'm better than the 9x hero champion.' The series has a retired test rider turned enginqueer faster than all the riders. That's embarrassing."

If there is one thing that defines my view of the sport it's that it is a farce. (And before I get another tired useless turd asking me why do I watch it then, my response is 'eat a ....' if you can't figure it out no use explaining.) This is my operating premise and Casey Stoner is the only person with the balls that has ever taken a stand on it. And what a stand it is, the best rider saying .... this ........ because it's ........! His return to testing contrasting the events from the last three months is sublime from my perspective. I'm laughing my ... off every time I see a headline or report about Casey because I see it as a big .... you to all those, especially the organizers, media, and particularly fans that gave him grief. The dude is happier now, he won, the rest of us are still stuck with 3/4 of a million insane petitioners, chickenshit media (save Krops and Trunkman) complicit enabling the puppet master organizers in 'doctoring' the sport. The fact he could (given his recent test) blow everyone out of the water in the championship is nothing less that pure joy for me. As if Rossi's epic meltdown wasn't enough vindication about the truth the sport is highjacked, this is just icing on my cake.

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I get what you are saying on this and agree with a lot of what you say. He hasn't ridden in a grand prix since Valencia 2012, and he dominated all of the headlines since being announced as a test rider. That's kind of insane.

But wouldn't the ultimate middle finger to Dorna, Rossi, the media, the organizers, and the fans who disparaged him be wild carding at Phillip Island this year, and then demolishing the field? Guy doesn't ride in a race in nearly 4 years, then obliterates the competition in a grand prix while setting all new track records in the process? For those various groups of people, it'd be like staring into the abyss they created.

I can't help but to use a Michael Jordan analogy again, and why it frustrates me that Stoner left because of the ......... Everyone sees MJ as the greatest basketball player who ever lived. 6-0 in NBA Finals, all sorts of records, and the personification of greatness. But what's become a distant memory to many is that it took him 7 years to reach his first finals! He had to surmount an absolute mountain to get there because he could not get past the Detroit Pistons. They were his kryptonite. The Pistons basically committed aggravated assault on the basketball court and the referees looked the other way. Elbows the head, forearm shivers to the kidneys, and on it went. He had to improve his physical conditioning so as not to be pushed around on the court and be able to take the beatings. He finally beat the Pistons in May 1991 en route to finishing off the Magic Johnson Lakers for good in the finals. I always looked at the singular drive he had to beat those at their own game as admirable. He could have easily given up, but he did everything he had to in order to reach the promised land.

I respect that Stoner didn't want to play the game the way it is essentially. But at the same time there's something far sweeter about beating those who stand in your way at their own game. That to me sends an unambiguous message to everyone watching, whereas the testing thing is lost on people. It's sort of like, why not be the guy who says '.... it' and sends VR into retirement by beating him so badly on the circuit that he is fully demoralized into no longer wanting to compete?