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Schwantz agrees with the sane people

And being fair (to you) some of the points you make are not out of the realms of possibility, just that some (many in here perhaps) have different views and subsequently, different levels of view.

The fact that you try to put your points in English is appreciated and often things can and do get lost in translation between the native language and English (I and as sure it works in reverse and leads to a lot of misunderstanding as to intent of comment)




Debate all you want, it is welcomed by many but also expect that if one reverts to 'insults' or 'abuse', then like a lot of places it will be returned in kind and sometimes with interest (and that works all sides).

Personally I would rather debate a level headed 'bopper' than I would some that have arrived here in the last few weeks who seem to bleed yellow, pee yellow, crap yellow, speak yellow and worship the colour yellow for whom any mention against Rossi is seen as hating, demented or signalling of lesser intellect in some way.

This forum actually (and yes, it may surprise) welcomes opposing views but you need to be ready to debate and/or defend your view and a simply 'I am right, you are wrong' approach is not always sufficient as there are some people in here with many years of racing experience, officiating experience, watchers of the racing, pure race officianados, journalists and people with 'in paddock' connections.

As for Argentina .......... I say racing incident

Assen ........... MM got carried away and went for a last corner lunge only to be outsmarted by VR who had plan B

Sepang .............. have said my peace there.

Off season .......... just wish that VR would stop the witch hunting and now focus himself, his team and by extension his fans on his 2016 performance as personally I suspect that the Michelin tyres and lesser electronics will work to his favour more than some (he has shown his adapability in all but one case)

He's full of ..... Nothing wrong with his English at all. You can tell by his writing. He's just here to stir the pot.
 
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Arret don ciboire, tu parle français comme de la merde crisse. Nous ne utilisons pas Google translate pour apprendre le français de Québec osti... :spin:

Translation, you suck in QC french. Now go away troll...
 
Arret don ciboire, tu parle français comme de la merde crisse. Nous ne utilisons pas Google translate pour apprendre le français de Québec osti... :spin:

Translation, you suck in QC french. Now go away troll...

Good comeback. Now can we go on for the millionth time if VR kicked MM or MM rammed VR? I feel you haven't talked about it enough yet and we still have no resolution on this matter.
 
Good comeback. Now can we go on for the millionth time if VR kicked MM or MM rammed VR? I feel you haven't talked about it enough yet and we still have no resolution on this matter.

Well, according to Repsol Honda it was a side kick right into handlebars. According to me, MM tried to force it up the inside of Rossi's arse.

Still patiently waiting for this smoking gun, Livio Stoopo press conference telemetry 'proof'...

 
Well, according to Repsol Honda it was a side kick right into handlebars. According to me, MM tried to force it up the inside of Rossi's arse.

Still patiently waiting for this smoking gun, Livio Stoopo press conference telemetry 'proof'...



Is sarcasm lost in translation? Troll
 
Arret don ciboire, tu parle français comme de la merde crisse. Nous ne utilisons pas Google translate pour apprendre le français de Québec osti... :spin:

Translation, you suck in QC french. Now go away troll...

My french is good enough to translate both the original to which you replied and to get the gist of your québécois french, but I would certainly not be up to debating you in that language, not for the last 30 odd years anyway, so good luck and all credit to you for having the testicular fortitude/balls to do so in english. I however made a specific point that your english is not the problem, certainly not for me and I suspect most others. Part of the game on here is the construction and deconstruction of arguments, which I among others enjoy for its own sake, and to which you are hardly contributing, most of your posts consisting merely of re-statements of your opinions, which in your view are unbiased and self-evidently correct, while those with which you disagree are apparently wrong because they are biased and self-evidently incorrect.

I also argue against what I believe to be wrong, and most who are arguing against you including me believe you are wrong and are giving you reasons for this, and that Rossi in general and you and your cohort on this forum are the ones making the accusations/proposing the conspiracy theories and are hence those with whom the burden of proof lies. The bottom line is that the supposedly independent arbiters in RD who have absolutely no reason to be anti-Rossi, and no past record of being so, cf the Assen race this year where they found in his favour and the Argentinean race with which they had no problem despite MM's own views, ruled that Rossi had raced illegally at Sepang and MM had not.

Whether as part of his illegal move Rossi deliberately kicked MM or his bike, is another question; I personally don't think he did and RD didn't rule that he did. However by the same standards of evidence you and Valentino are applying in general he must have done so, since MM who was on the track and rather directly involved says so.
 
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Well, according to Repsol Honda it was a side kick right into handlebars. According to me, MM tried to force it up the inside of Rossi's arse.

Still patiently waiting for this smoking gun, Livio Stoopo press conference telemetry 'proof'...



If they don't produce the telemetry ultimately you may have a point, but the current line is that they were asked not to do so, particularly during the post season testing, by Dorna et al.
 
If they don't produce the telemetry ultimately you may have a point, but the current line is that they were asked not to do so, particularly during the post season testing, by Dorna et al.

I would be very surprised if they did produce it now. If the reports about internal conflicts between MM inc and Honda are true then, having made a difficult but honourable concession to the latin temperament in allowing the press release to be so explicit (in their minds: crude), they will not revisit it. If pressed by Alzamora, they will politely explain that a decision is pending but the decision will never arrive.

There is also considerable risk involved for MM if the data is released because of the experience, knowledge and expertise required to interpret it. Rossi's supporters would have a field day reading the tea leaves to suite themselves. Falsely interpreting the data to fabricate a disingenuous defence of Rossi's position is a ten second sound bite which would then take maybe one hour of careful, technical explanation to discredit. It's easy to see which view would prevail. I would suggest that they are on a hiding to nothing to release it.
 

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