this was done with duct tape and a toaster sized camera
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Kropotkin
How Lorenzo's Engine Blow Up Could Affect The Championship
Submitted by David Emmett on Sun, 2010-07-18 00:09.
In the middle of qualifying practice at the Sachsenring today, we witnessed a spectacle that had not been seen at a MotoGP race for a very long time - since 2007, in fact, and ironically, in almost exactly the same location. As Jorge Lorenzo pinned the throttle on his YZR M1 up the hill onto the front straight, the engine let go in a very major way, spewing smoke, flames, oil and coolant out of the back of the bike and all over the track, right into the braking area. The Fiat Yamaha rider quickly pointed his bike to the side of the track, but unfortunately, not before Ben Spies and Randy de Puniet had crashed on the oil, De Puniet banging his leg nastily on Spies' Monster Tech 3 Yamaha machine.
While most of the attention was on De Puniet's injury, and the spectacular images Lorenzo's Yamaha had produced, belching smoke and flame like some kind of mythical fire serpent, thoughts in the paddock turned to the state of Lorenzo's engines. For this is the second engine that Lorenzo has lost: the Spaniard previous lost an engine during practice at Assen, that machine merely producing a few puffs of smoke, rather than belching great gouts of smoke and oil like the bike in Germany did. With less than eight of the sixteen races gone, Lorenzo has now lost two of the six engines that each rider has to last the season.
Perhaps more worrying is the mileage at which both these engines gave up the ghost. Both the engine at Assen and the one in Germany let go after some 1500 kilometers, which is well short of the target set by Yamaha's head of MotoGP during the annual end-of-year presentation at Valencia in 2009. There, Masao Furusawa explained that they calculated they needed to get 2400 kilometers from each engine, if they were to make it through a full season. He told the assembled press in Valencia that the 2009 version of the long-life engine was already capable of lasting for 2200 kms, albeit with a sharp power drop towards the end of its life. The new engine, Furusawa-san explained, would last the extra couple of hundred kilometers, and would not lose so much power as the miles accumulated.
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How Lorenzo's Engine Blow Up Could Affect The Championship
Submitted by David Emmett on Sun, 2010-07-18 00:09.
In the middle of qualifying practice at the Sachsenring today, we witnessed a spectacle that had not been seen at a MotoGP race for a very long time - since 2007, in fact, and ironically, in almost exactly the same location. As Jorge Lorenzo pinned the throttle on his YZR M1 up the hill onto the front straight, the engine let go in a very major way, spewing smoke, flames, oil and coolant out of the back of the bike and all over the track, right into the braking area. The Fiat Yamaha rider quickly pointed his bike to the side of the track, but unfortunately, not before Ben Spies and Randy de Puniet had crashed on the oil, De Puniet banging his leg nastily on Spies' Monster Tech 3 Yamaha machine.
While most of the attention was on De Puniet's injury, and the spectacular images Lorenzo's Yamaha had produced, belching smoke and flame like some kind of mythical fire serpent, thoughts in the paddock turned to the state of Lorenzo's engines. For this is the second engine that Lorenzo has lost: the Spaniard previous lost an engine during practice at Assen, that machine merely producing a few puffs of smoke, rather than belching great gouts of smoke and oil like the bike in Germany did. With less than eight of the sixteen races gone, Lorenzo has now lost two of the six engines that each rider has to last the season.
Perhaps more worrying is the mileage at which both these engines gave up the ghost. Both the engine at Assen and the one in Germany let go after some 1500 kilometers, which is well short of the target set by Yamaha's head of MotoGP during the annual end-of-year presentation at Valencia in 2009. There, Masao Furusawa explained that they calculated they needed to get 2400 kilometers from each engine, if they were to make it through a full season. He told the assembled press in Valencia that the 2009 version of the long-life engine was already capable of lasting for 2200 kms, albeit with a sharp power drop towards the end of its life. The new engine, Furusawa-san explained, would last the extra couple of hundred kilometers, and would not lose so much power as the miles accumulated.
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Well the way its going JL could be so far ahead that starting at the back of the grid won't matter too much in the last few rounds
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
u never know didnt Rossi haul bk a 52 point lead to a 8 point advantage ?
this ....... rule could still play into the 2010 title race
and spoil whats happened...for the first 2/3rds of the season ..W-anchor rules
True Pigi.........but Hayden was a much different adversary, Hopefully it could miraculously pan out very exciting championship wise. I think the racing may at least improve with Rossi back and CS/Pedders finding a bit more......
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unda cheese
In that case it should go on Nickys bike tomorrow because he'll have plenty of riders in front of him
Yes, rossi would have to work out how to pull the pedrosa move without taking himself out as well. The closest equivalent available would be for spies to take jorge out which I don't see happening. Hitherto lorenzo would have seemed more likely than hayden in 2006 to crash through his own error, but he has ridden in an extremely measured fashion this year ; rossi back and looking very likely to be at his pace soonish may increase the pressure on him though, particularly if contracts for 2011 are not absolutely set in stone.
As someone has already commented the other aspect to this ridiculous rule is that of safety; what would happen if an engine let go like this in a race, particularly in a first corner melee, given that the mechanics/engineers aren't even allowed to look at what shape the internals of the engines are in? . Dorna are again demonstrating the law of unintended consequences as is their wont; having devised the 800 formula for safety reasons they have then had to make rule changes which decrease safety to make it more competitive. As lex says though apparently the msma have been on board with all of this.
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Tennessee
Your hopeful that a ...... up engine rule plays a part in a world championship for you entertainment.. I would rather see the most boring, one sided championship in history, than see someone robbed of a title because of some ....... pencil pushers decision to run the premier bike racing series in the world like some penny pinching club series. I personally hope it doesnt come into play at all, even though it is since we are talking about it.
Credit where credit is due, Krop was the source of the information about the MSMA and the engine life rules. However, I do think that Dorna had a compelling reason to sign off on the engine life rules as well. The satellite bikes are subsidized by Dorna which means that Dorna can make certain adjustments to the overall cost and performance of the satellite bikes since Dorna are the paying customer. One of Dorna's favorite satellite mods is allegedly long-life engines (e.g the low revving 2008 satellite Hondas). The engine restrictions put satellite bikes and factory bikes on slightly more equal footing by instituting extended engine mileage for all bikes. I believe Dorna probably gleefully signed off on the engine restrictions even if it was the MSMA's idea.
I'm starting to wonder what this means for MotoGP. Most of the teams have already demonstrated that they have the technology to achieve 18 races on 6 engines; however, the pundits say that MotoGP will move to 81mm 1000cc engines for 2012. If the engines are stroked 10mm and revs fall from a peak of around 18,500rpm to 15,000rpm, engine life regulations should be very easy to achieve which will probably bore the MSMA. If the MSMA move to 5 engines or 4 engines for the entire season, will 1000cc really attract any new entrants?
The more you think about MotoGP, the more confusing and unclear its future appears.
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
tobymoody Wet Wet Wet - why is that not being played over the tannoy here at the Sachsenring this morning...?
Live TV The camp site looks wrecked its going to be a wet wet wet day
Moto2 on track wup
Stoner wets first outing in 2010
Horney sliding the scooter in the paddock fookin weather
Live TV The camp site looks wrecked its going to be a wet wet wet day
Moto2 on track wup
Stoner wets first outing in 2010
Horney sliding the scooter in the paddock fookin weather
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Rovrum S,Yorks Eng
it's pissing fans off that have watched for yrs..
other converts in recent yrs prob haven't got a clue what it used to be like even going bk to 990 it was so much better
when the first front runner starts from pit lane (engine rules) lets hope the .... hits the fan big time
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here
Are you suggesting that because a Gyro is useful for, and can hold a camera in a plane, then it is good for determining of positioning on a track?
Go ahead show us, and the scientific/engineering comunity, how
I can see why you "skid" it into corners Ereb. no need to convince me of your intellect
Just a quick point (don't want to get back into the track posn thing
They provide a data stream which is processed in real-time to control a motor which rotates the lens, thus compensating for the movements of the bike and hence maintaining a fixed horizon line. If that was what you meant then I apologise, but it was not how your post read to me.
BTW I think that the video from the camera looks stunning.
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Out of Nowhere
I can see why you "skid" it into corners Ereb. no need to convince me of your intellect
I have never once professed to 'skid' into corners - I encourage you to find a post where I say I do - you're the one that keeps largeing up and bragging about your supposed talents on a motorcycle. However Johnny Rea, Julian Simon, Toni Elias, are some current examples of professional racers who do utilise the rear brake to back into corners. As I said, the late Craig Jones was the leading exponent of this technique.
I do however have a very unique and somewhat unorthodox gift - which I rarely divulge to others. I have learnt that merely by shutting the throttle on a Ducati 748s, and by body positioning alone, I am able to slide the rear on a public road at will when slowing for corners. I also have a gyroscope shoved up my ... sideways.
'Ereb'
Just a quick point (don't want to get back into the track posn thing) but the gyros on the butt cam don't "hold a camera in a plane" mechanically.
They provide a data stream which is processed in real-time to control a motor which rotates the lens, thus compensating for the movements of the bike and hence maintaining a fixed horizon line. If that was what you meant then I apologise, but it was not how your post read to me.
BTW I think that the video from the camera looks stunning.
Just heard this on tv. The camera is linked via GPS so monitors where exactly on track the bike is. A motor then turns the lens. Does not work like a spirit level
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Norah Head
Just a quick point (don't want to get back into the track posn thing) but the gyros on the butt cam don't "hold a camera in a plane" mechanically.
They provide a data stream which is processed in real-time to control a motor which rotates the lens, thus compensating for the movements of the bike and hence maintaining a fixed horizon line. If that was what you meant then I apologise, but it was not how your post read to me.
BTW I think that the video from the camera looks stunning.
Granted, and by nature Gyros ( electronic or otherwise ) are supreme at this function, ie. Attitude, but when you are talking a fixed position you may as well summon the norse gods to do a voodoo job on a chicken roasting on your exhaust manifold
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Norah Head
I have never once professed to 'skid' into corners - I encourage you to find a post where I say I do - you're the one that keeps largeing up and bragging about your supposed talents on a motorcycle. However Johnny Rea, Julian Simon, Toni Elias, are some current examples of professional racers who do utilise the rear brake to back into corners. As I said, the late Craig Jones was the leading exponent of this technique.
I do however have a very unique and somewhat unorthodox gift - which I rarely divulge to others. I have learnt that merely by shutting the throttle on a Ducati 748s, and by body positioning alone, I am able to slide the rear on a public road at will when slowing for corners. I also have a gyroscope shoved up my ... sideways.
'Ereb'
What a ......
Well you get out there on your bar stool, pile of video's, magazines, or couch and skid your little heart out buttercup
Have a go of a 749 ( or anything else without a slipper and a bit of decent compression ) and tell me what you think
