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Round 12 Silverstone: Practice, Qualifying, Race
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Lucky you. Have fun Old Boy !
Did you get the complimentary trench foot package when you bought 3 day access ? Or are you not staying on the campsite ?
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Only way to stay warm and dry at Silverstone...
It was chilly wasn't it
Circuit Information
LENGTH: 5.9 km / 3.67 miles
CORNERS: 8 left - 10 right
WIDTH: 17 m. / 55.77 ft.
LONGEST STRAIGHT: 770 m. / 2526.25 ft.
Laps: 20
2/3 of laps: -
Total distance: 118.0 km - 73.4 miles
Weather Courtesy of Weather.com
| DAY | COND | HIGH | LOW | PRECIP | WIND |
| FRI Aug 28 | mostly sunny | 69°F | 50° | 10% | SW 14 mph |
| SAT Aug 29 | scattered showers | 68° | 55° | 50% | S 7 mph[/td |
| SUN Aug 30 | scattered showers | 68° | 52° | 40% | ENE 5 mph |
"Change the game. Change the world."
Hash-tag 93
During MotoGP's off season, Honda's Marc Marquez was the talk on everyone's tongue; and well he should be. Having done the impossible and storming onto the grid to be the youngest ever winner in the main class he had gone on to become (among other records) the youngest title holder. Not to be outdone - even by himself - he followed up with an even more amazing performance in his sophomore year, tying the record for the most consecutive races won. Thusly, going into the off season Marquez was the hot topic of conversation. In his first two years he had changed the way people rode motorcycles, his extreme hang-off style requiring the development of new elbow and shoulder guards particularly as it was adopted by more of the paddock. So the world wondered what he could accomplish in his third year with all of that experience behind him?
Turns out, not a whole lot of anything; or at least not much to date.
It would be kind to call Marquez's season to date lack-luster. Yet, truth be told, despite the apparent lack of results the 93 marque has delivered quite a bit of excitement even if much of it was for all of the wrong reasons. With approximately two thirds of the season gone Marquez has already given us spills (Argentina, Italy and Spain), chills (Assen) and thrills (USA - take your pick). In the realm of entertainment value Marquez has certainly not failed to disappoint, with no-one knowing quite what to expect on any given weekend. However this entertainment wins neither races nor championships, and after forcibly acclimating the front runners of the field to the physicality of racing at the upper echelons of the sport he will not find it easy to mount a late season defense of his title.
That difficulty might just be Marquez's legacy for 2015 should he be forced to concede the #1 plate. After two years of having it much his own way, this year the field seems to be much more willing to shove when it comes to push. Will a GP race ever look like Moto2 or Moto3? That is highly unlikely. The speeds, disparities in machine performance and levels of rider skill and adaptability is seemingly too great. Still, rubbin' is racin' and it seems even the more risk averse are prone to a little paint-swapping if need be.
- 2014 - Repsol Honda - 1st
- 2013 - Repsol Honda - 2nd
- 2012 - N/A
Hash-tag 46
There are no points in practice, and when the lights go out the real men are separated from the boys. In this case, however, it is probably more apt to say "... when the lights came on...." During the twilight hours of 2014 and through the off season it was clear that Valentino Rossi was somewhat a different rider. The occasional hesitation, so unbecoming of a champion of his stature, that had been beaten into him during his days at Ducati was disappearing. More often he rode like a man possessed, like a man with a chance at... something. He looked like a racer having fun. "The Rossi of old," many in the press called it; and if our mutually agreed on theme for this discourse is changing the game then this is by far where Rossi has enamored the fans and the press alike. Make no mistake, the man is positively Ruthless (and yes, that was intentionally with the proverbial capital 'r'). Want proof? Hash-tag 65. Yet underlying that almost vicious desire to win is an almost childlike enjoyment of the sport, of the physicality of competition, that many fear losing once he retires and that others have tried in various ways to imitate.
When the lights alternatively came on in Qatar the headlines may have been Marquez, but by the time they went off the word on wagging tongues was Rossi. For the first time in a long time the former champion was leading the championship, and as the season stretched on it was evident that he was focused on keeping it that way. When winning was on the table it was Rossi's for the taking. When it wasn't, then Rossi rode like a man possessed to ensure that he lost as few points as possible. He would be the first to admit that it would have been nice to win, but especially with the reigning champion pushing so hard to be at the front and dashing his championship hopes aside in the process it would be hard to fault him for keeping just a little in reserve to ensure that he brought it home at the end of the day.
This puts the former champion in a compromising position as the back third of the season approaches and, as tabloid television has made abundantly clear, the fans love compromising positions. MotoGP is a points game, but what happens when the points are even? Well he with the most wins... wins. Currently, that is not Rossi. So what does the Italian have left in the bag? There's no longer any time or opportunity left to consolidate his position. There is only time for one more change, to ride like breath of the devil himself was providing a tailwind. That, and hope that it's enough.
- 2014 - Yamaha Factory - 3rd
- 2013 - Yamaha Factory - 4th
- 2012 - Ducati Factory - 9th
Hash-tag 99
As the 2015 season got underway the world wasn't really wondering what happened to Jorge Lorenzo. After the troubles that he had stared down the year before, a slow start was certainly preferable to no start at all. While his teammate trotted off to an early victory, Lorenzo had been relegated to the scraps beneath the podium table after finishing behind the Ducatis of Ianonne and Dovizioso. That is to say, again, he started the season finishing behind the Ducatis. Then, beneath the summer sun of his home race in Spain, something changed. You could use the metaphor of the ugly duckling turning into a swan, or the ungainly youth finding his rhythm, and on to infinity (and beyond). Perhaps, considering that we are speaking of Lorenzo the ungainly youth is best, so we will say that Lorenzo finally found his rhythm, and that is always a very dangerous thing.
Every successful rider in MotoGP knows about consistency. It is one thing to be fast for a single lap, but to really make your mark in the top class you have to string those fast laps together time and again. In the hunt for speed, many try for the break: to set a blisteringly fast pace to open a gap on the competition and force them to play catch up. Lorenzo follows a different path. If he can go on a record setting pace then he will, but that is not his modus operandi. Instead, given half the chance, he will find a pace that is not just fast but sustainable and then dare the field to keep up. It is consistency taken to a new level that few can master and, on his day, none can match. Lorenzo won four consecutive races starting with Spain and that changed the face of the championship.
In the space of a few weeks the ninety nine has gone from an also ran to championship contender to championship leader, all with a sly shrug and a smug facade to remind his detractors that there is a reason he holds two championship to his name. Now, while the grid scrambles to adjust to the new reality of the championship Lorenzo has the luxury of making the best change for him; and that is changing nothing at all.
- 2014 - Factory Yamaha - 2nd
- 2013 - Factory Yamaha - 1st
- 2012 - Factory Yamaha - 1st
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Anyone else think that last corner slide from MM during qualifying was gnarly?! He's a crazy ......!
MM93 riding his GP like "I'm not restricted to these physics laws and bumpy tarmacs". Anyway my fav pedrosa is back to front row.
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Well, in a way there are no restrictions, except the ones imagined. And there were plenty of people writing their imaginations about the decline and collapse of the Honda, all of which seem to have faded into the ether, perhaps tucked away for the next need to pull out rationalizations from the back pocket.
POS213V, one arm tied behind his back, etc.
I wonder if Arrabi is still going to argue its not the 'absolute' (yes, absolute term) bike on the grid. The only way Lorenzo keeps up will be the way he has done it the last few rounds, Herculean effort, riding close to 100%, and hoping conditions stay favorable (as its a bike that is dictated to by tires, positively or negatively).
The points between Lorenzo and Rossi on offer are reduced, the title stays close barring a DNF.
Arrabi, would u like an update on LC v BOU?
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No one mentioned a 'decline and collapse' of Honda.
Sigh. Marquez tests at Valencia, proclaims that the new bike won't let him ride it the way he was able to ride the 2104 machine. If Marquez of all people is criticising a bike for its aggressive nature then if you have secured a seat on a Honda for 2015...that's clearly a worry. All this before a wheel turned in anger. Torrid start to the season, frustration sets in, and a series of unforced errors and mistakes - notably, Argentina and Catalunya. Satellite riders testify to the same problems softening the power of the very physical RCV which is clearly lacking the user friendliness of the previous iteration. By Catalunya, Marquez reverts to the smaller diameter 2014 exhaust pipes. Less peak power, but higher gas speed to improve throttle feeling - narrowly avoids skittling Lorenzo in the race. Post race test, Marquez insists on his old chassis, through gritted teeth HRC relent, and coupled with weeks of late nighters from the software engineers the results are favourable. From Assen onwards this is his choice, and the transformation is striking. It seems the original chassis, capable of single laps at high speeds but didn't allow for any errors which given Marquez's high risk strategy clearly courted disaster.
The visible improvements to the Honda are likely in the main due to the chassis, followed by an engine map that made the more powerful '15 Honda throttle response, soft enough to instil confidence again. Pedrosa's choice seems to have been a far better one, mainly because it was far closer to the 2014 version - itself very similar to his 2013 version, and seemed to confer the stability to live with the engine's harsh abrubt nature.
But I've been through this innumerable time...so perhaps in simpler terms.
Marquez: I prefer my old bike
HRC: Why?
Marquez: The new one won't let me ride it the way I want
HRC: Why?
Marquez: The motor is peaky and the chassis is unforgiving. Can I have my old one back?
HRC: No
Marquez: Please
HRC: Ok then
That would depend upon a myriad of variables, including, tyres, prevailing weather conditions, whichever circuit that grid is assembled on...and ultimately, whoever's riding it. I'd say that combination of the RCV and Marquez is approaching optimum again - which is ominous. I'd also add, that qualifying lap I watched today from Woodcote was extraordinary and if you really think that was the bike riding itself then I'd suggest that you stick to your deflated pigskins.
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Ah, Divine Burger. Such great memories.
My dear learned friend, I hope you are enjoying the circuit. Baldylocks is there, he sent me a picture of a spectacular sunset last night, perhaps you should look him up comp. Meanwhile as you ponder this discussion watching Marc ride the RCV and surely make a comparative analysis to the M1s out there, remind me something, what is the bike Marquez won on at Austin? And would have podiumed Argentina? ....oh yeah, the full 2015 bike. And what is the bike he is riding now? Oh yeah NOT the 2014 bike, as one might erroneously infer from your analysis. Its actually the same supposed engine, which is sealed, on some version of a 2014 chassis, which if you think about it is probably very similar to the 2015 and not exactly a radical model to the "new" one. If Marc wanted the 2014 swing arm, would we say its a hybrid of the 2015/14 bike? Lets call this bike a RCV15.2 shall we?
Pedro was very nearly on Marc's pace the penultimate lap that put Honda 1-2 as you watched the RCV ride itself, incidentally, the M1 looked on autopilot too, lets call Lorenzo's remote control setting:Herculean Mode, because that's what it takes to come close to mat chine the RCV's capabilities, after all, that what it took for Lorenzo to overtake the inferior rider but superior Machine of the #26 entry. Coincidentally, Pedrobot, who is not EXACTLY on a 2014 bike was on similar pace on a 'similar' bike. I read once Pedro was offered 30 chassiss (plural) preseason to test; which variation is the 2014 that Marc is 0n? 2014.2,.3,.4..5...get the picture? So lets dispelled with this ridiculous notion that he is riding a 2014 motorcycle (and before you go saying "when did I say it was a 2014 bike?" the inference is sufficient.) The development of any bike any year is a constantly in flux, its not some linear curb, and often a tweak in a chassis is not some revolutionary step backward if they haven't quit made a revolutionary step forward. The truth is he was setting records on either chassis, and that very well points to the fact it was superior back then and IS superior now. There is no way you or anybody is going to convince me that those crashes were correlated to some Honda deficiency.
"the new bike won't let him ride it the way he was able to ride the 2104 machine", hahaha, and what exactly does this mean? He could not gamble on the knifes edge and expect to get away nearly crashing like he did before in 2014? So he couldn't continue riding like an ......., were it was win or bin, were winning was then proof positive it would not ever result in bins. And about his complaining, my friend, all the riders complain about something on their bikes in preseason when they are trying to get their employers step it up and that complaining goes into hyperdrive when they are not winning. That bike you refer to enabled him to win handily no less than the second race of the season. If we were to erase this from the record, then maybe we could entrain this notion that the bike was "deficient" (however that is defined). And even then, the results don't tell the whole story, because one might have thought the Ducati was the ultimate, as it occupied 2/3 of the podium at Qatar. So lets look at the pattern for some insight while Marc rode on the "full" 2015. Off the podium at Qatar, but then again so was Lorenzo's M1 (shall we make an inference about the M1, but wait, Rossi scored a win...crap). Marc destroys everybody at Austin (unfortunately we don't have Pedro as a baseline, as if we could use him for one, but the Hondas did come 1-2 in 2014 (oddly enough a M1 was nowhere to be seen on the podium, as the third bike was a GP14), not exactly a case for this awful preseason bike that he was 'complaining about', but then he puts this 'awful full version 2015' bike runner-up at Jerez after crashing out of a sure runner up podium at Argentina (again, unless you are going to argue nothing less than a win indicates some deficiency of machine, then what accounts for such a high running order as wins, runners u, and podiums?). This when the bike was at its peak of 'shitiness' supposedly, after all, its here when the "problems"started to be written about. Perhaps you have overlooked, but when Marc was making excuses for crashing, it wasnt just the chassis he complained about, he listed everything but the kitchen sink. Yet this awful bike was still wining, setting lap records, and challenging for wins and podiums. Lets take a look at Mugello, after all he was still on the 2015 version of RCV213V. Oh yeah he crashed dualing with Iannone, who he had got by, and who ended up in the runners up position at the race conclusion, where injured Pedrosa (on a 2015 RCV) came in just off the podium, given hMarc's crashed gifted VR the podium, where at very least Marc would have been sitting. And then where did Pedrosa finish on that 2015 bike the next race? Oh yeah the podium, and Marc? Oh yeah, the gravel. So let me get this straight, the full 2015 version of the 2015 RCV would have scored either Marc or Pedrosa a win, runner-up, on the podium every race with the exception of Qatar (where because of the performance leveling effect saw two Ducati's and Ducati's on the podiums a few of the following races, an anomaly where the 2015 Honda would have normally had one or both RCVs on the podium) but there was something wrong with it? Was it really the RCV that didn't let Marc ride like an ....... and get away with it the previous years that was the proof positive that the "new" 2015 bike didn't let him challenge for the win? Well no, given he was actually challenging for wins, as I have reminded us above. So what other thing on the bike that is important may account for the changes in fortune? I know one, I have said it before and I'll remind you of it, the tires. After all, Rossi who didn't sniff a win the first 5 races in 2014, suddenly was this epic contender in 2015, starting the season with a commanding win, another win just 3 races into the season, and just last round (half way into the season) had been leading the championship, and may be leading it after tomorrow. Marc crashed on the best bike on the grid, and he is not crashing now, so far, on the best bike on the grid. What Marc has done is ride a bit more "prudently" as many have surmised based on observations of his riding, and perhaps HRC and Marc have made adjustments to riding the 2015 tire.
My dear learned friend, I hope you are enjoying the circuit. Baldylocks is there, he sent me a picture of a spectacular sunset last night, perhaps you should look him up comp. Meanwhile as you ponder this discussion watching Marc ride the RCV and surely make a comparative analysis to the M1s out there, remind me something, what is the bike Marquez won on at Austin? And would have podiumed Argentina? ....oh yeah, the full 2015 bike. And what is the bike he is riding now? Oh yeah NOT the 2014 bike, as one might erroneously infer from your analysis. Its actually the same supposed engine, which is sealed, on some version of a 2014 chassis, which if you think about it is probably very similar to the 2015 and not exactly a radical model to the "new" one. If Marc wanted the 2014 swing arm, would we say its a hybrid of the 2015/14 bike? Lets call this bike a RCV15.2 shall we?
Pedro was very nearly on Marc's pace the penultimate lap that put Honda 1-2 as you watched the RCV ride itself, incidentally, the M1 looked on autopilot too, lets call Lorenzo's remote control setting:Herculean Mode, because that's what it takes to come close to mat chine the RCV's capabilities, after all, that what it took for Lorenzo to overtake the inferior rider but superior Machine of the #26 entry. Coincidentally, Pedrobot, who is not EXACTLY on a 2014 bike was on similar pace on a 'similar' bike. I read once Pedro was offered 30 chassiss (plural) preseason to test; which variation is the 2014 that Marc is 0n? 2014.2,.3,.4..5...get the picture? So lets dispelled with this ridiculous notion that he is riding a 2014 motorcycle (and before you go saying "when did I say it was a 2014 bike?" the inference is sufficient.) The development of any bike any year is a constantly in flux, its not some linear curb, and often a tweak in a chassis is not some revolutionary step backward if they haven't quit made a revolutionary step forward. The truth is he was setting records on either chassis, and that very well points to the fact it was superior back then and IS superior now. There is no way you or anybody is going to convince me that those crashes were correlated to some Honda deficiency.
"the new bike won't let him ride it the way he was able to ride the 2104 machine", hahaha, and what exactly does this mean? He could not gamble on the knifes edge and expect to get away nearly crashing like he did before in 2014? So he couldn't continue riding like an ......., were it was win or bin, were winning was then proof positive it would not ever result in bins. And about his complaining, my friend, all the riders complain about something on their bikes in preseason when they are trying to get their employers step it up and that complaining goes into hyperdrive when they are not winning. That bike you refer to enabled him to win handily no less than the second race of the season. If we were to erase this from the record, then maybe we could entrain this notion that the bike was "deficient" (however that is defined). And even then, the results don't tell the whole story, because one might have thought the Ducati was the ultimate, as it occupied 2/3 of the podium at Qatar. So lets look at the pattern for some insight while Marc rode on the "full" 2015. Off the podium at Qatar, but then again so was Lorenzo's M1 (shall we make an inference about the M1, but wait, Rossi scored a win...crap). Marc destroys everybody at Austin (unfortunately we don't have Pedro as a baseline, as if we could use him for one, but the Hondas did come 1-2 in 2014 (oddly enough a M1 was nowhere to be seen on the podium, as the third bike was a GP14), not exactly a case for this awful preseason bike that he was 'complaining about', but then he puts this 'awful full version 2015' bike runner-up at Jerez after crashing out of a sure runner up podium at Argentina (again, unless you are going to argue nothing less than a win indicates some deficiency of machine, then what accounts for such a high running order as wins, runners u, and podiums?). This when the bike was at its peak of 'shitiness' supposedly, after all, its here when the "problems"started to be written about. Perhaps you have overlooked, but when Marc was making excuses for crashing, it wasnt just the chassis he complained about, he listed everything but the kitchen sink. Yet this awful bike was still wining, setting lap records, and challenging for wins and podiums. Lets take a look at Mugello, after all he was still on the 2015 version of RCV213V. Oh yeah he crashed dualing with Iannone, who he had got by, and who ended up in the runners up position at the race conclusion, where injured Pedrosa (on a 2015 RCV) came in just off the podium, given hMarc's crashed gifted VR the podium, where at very least Marc would have been sitting. And then where did Pedrosa finish on that 2015 bike the next race? Oh yeah the podium, and Marc? Oh yeah, the gravel. So let me get this straight, the full 2015 version of the 2015 RCV would have scored either Marc or Pedrosa a win, runner-up, on the podium every race with the exception of Qatar (where because of the performance leveling effect saw two Ducati's and Ducati's on the podiums a few of the following races, an anomaly where the 2015 Honda would have normally had one or both RCVs on the podium) but there was something wrong with it? Was it really the RCV that didn't let Marc ride like an ....... and get away with it the previous years that was the proof positive that the "new" 2015 bike didn't let him challenge for the win? Well no, given he was actually challenging for wins, as I have reminded us above. So what other thing on the bike that is important may account for the changes in fortune? I know one, I have said it before and I'll remind you of it, the tires. After all, Rossi who didn't sniff a win the first 5 races in 2014, suddenly was this epic contender in 2015, starting the season with a commanding win, another win just 3 races into the season, and just last round (half way into the season) had been leading the championship, and may be leading it after tomorrow. Marc crashed on the best bike on the grid, and he is not crashing now, so far, on the best bike on the grid. What Marc has done is ride a bit more "prudently" as many have surmised based on observations of his riding, and perhaps HRC and Marc have made adjustments to riding the 2015 tire.
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Sorry compa it's late...and I'm up in five hours. We've discussed both Austin and Argentina innumerable times. My opinion regarding both does not change.
Prior to Assen, indeed he was crashing and he blamed himself as much as he blamed the machine. As far as I am aware he bemoaned the throttle response, the savage nature of the motor and the feel of the 2015 chassis. He asked to switch chassis because he felt that it would enable him to ride the bike as he was able to last year, he has and now true to his word, evidently he can...and you can't handle it.
No idea what you have been watching, but if you can't see the difference in the characteristics of that bike pre and post Assen and moreover, whatever you think of the guy, if you are unable appreciate the lap he put in today for pole then genuinely, perhaps you really should consider a TV subscription that consists solely of NASCAR and the Patriots.
EDIT...and LCFC
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The thing that annoyed me most was the inference this year's championship was lost by Honda. No blame could be apportioned to Marquez, who it was said could only expect to finish 7th on the terrible Honda without risking a crash. If the person claiming this also happened to mention he is a fanboy of Marquez, then I wouldn't have an issue with it. But no, it was claimed to be a fact. Imo it reduces the achievements of the other riders, especially Lorenzo who lead every lap of four races straight. And despite that he makes it look easy, I would hazard a guess from my lounge it was far from easy, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if Lorenzo rode about every lap of those four races like it was a qualifying lap, on the edge and just like Marquez risking a crash. But journos apparently believe based on 2014 that Marquez is superior to all other riders, therefore any race he fails to win is due to Honda.
The fact is Marquez himself has lost the championship, not Honda. Lorenzo is outriding him, same way Marquez out rode Lorenzo last year.
The fact is Marquez himself has lost the championship, not Honda. Lorenzo is outriding him, same way Marquez out rode Lorenzo last year.
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"he felt that it would enable him to ride the bike as he was able to last year"
EXCEPT he is NOT riding his 2014 bike like he did last year post Assen!
Oh please, you don't need sleep at the track, don't get soft on me now.
I can't handle it? May I quote a movie to make my point? I think I will...
"You can't handle the truth!" The need to rationalize the crashes while not rationalizing the crashes is a rather sophisticated convoluted and quite amazing and amusing endeavor. So you and Marc blame him for crashing but don't blame him for crashing at the same time? The bike was plenty good, and the fact he WON and was in a position to win while on the FULL 2015 version a quarter of the season makes your argument rather weak and untenable my dearest friend.
"he felt that it would enable him to ride the bike as he was able to last year"
EXCEPT he is NOT riding his 2014 bike like he did last year post Assesn!
What accounts for this "difference"? You are convinced it was his reversion to some iteration of the 2014 (I'll assume you understand there could have been 10 different versions, and 10 different versions of the 2015 as well). Where some people have described his riding as more "prudent and patient" (NOT exactly how one would describe his 2014 riding style) BUT that is what he was after, according to you, he wanted to revert to the 2014 bike to employ last year's style EXCEPT he is not riding it like that at all! So maybe he wanted the 2014 because he wanted to employ NOT last year's style but a NEW 2015 improved measured and patient style? That is a bit confusing, wouldn't he rather ride like an ....... now (like he did last year 2014) given he can ride like an ....... because that is how he rode the RCV2014? But instead he has taken the 2014 bike and is riding it like NOT like last year. (You're not going to say he is riding this year like he did last year are you? Well, at least not post Assen, unless you haven't noticed his new and improved "prudent" "measured" "thoughtful" style. Wait, so let me get this straight, he wanted the 2014 so he could change his riding style to his new 2015 STYLE? Ah, what tanged webs we weave. So maybe riding with a bit more patience has been the revelation and NOT this hybrid RCV? Not appreciating his lap, relevance? Pedrobot was equally impressive on an "inferior" machine....oh wait! Hahaha. You can't handle the truth that part of the reason Marc looks so impressive is because he is on the most superior bike on the grid, by a margin! I take this into account when I "appreciate" a lap. Put this 'alien' on Bautista's bike, then let me know how much you appreciate that lap.
LCFC...Spoiler: undefeated.
Now excuse me, I have a Patriots game to watch after I'm done with the NASCAR race.
LOL
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....... ACE!
In fact, i was just typing to my lovely friend Arrabi, who questions my "appreciation" of Marc's pole lap, that I was more impressed with Lorenzo's qual lap today than Marc's. To put it in a position to almost match the RCV while riding the inferior M1 is truly a feat! One I doubt could be duplicated by Marc himself on an M1 (after all isnt the argument he couldn't ride the RCV2015 to his potential? Snap! And I interpreted his half fist pump as part frustration, to put in a perfect lap on his part while clearly not being able to overtake the mechanical superiority of his rival on the RCV214/15V. Hell, the RCV is so good it took superhuman effort just to nip Pedro.
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I think the improved 2015 M1 has obliged Marquez to push more to the limit, hence the initial difficulties and mistakes. Add to that they had sealed the wrong engine release, and it figures. Whatever they did and are doing to redress things, it's obviously working.
Marquez, he rides like Marquez (not like a ......., Jum). Hats off.
Marquez, he rides like Marquez (not like a ......., Jum). Hats off.
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Pushing to the limit, or beyond the limit? He was pushing to the limit and went beyond it, that's what caused his problems, NOTHING else. Had he been pushing to the limit he would be in a circle jerk with Rossi and Lorenzo for the title right this very moment! But he rode like an ....... thinking, like many, that this was sustainable, erroneously perceived notion that this would not lead to predictable crashes. Had he been riding the full version 2015 like he did at Indy and Brno, he would be in championship contention! Would u or anyone like to dispute this point? So the 2015 bike was never the problem to contend this year's title!!! Repeat this until u get its implications. Think this point through a bit. Am I right?
Well thats the point im making J4ns, he is NOT riding the 2014/15 bike like an ......., though if im to believe Arrabi, thats what Marc wanted given his reversion. He is riding it decidedly NOT like he rode 2014, but rather a bit more measured as some here have thoughtfully pointed out, and this I believe accounts for his renewed success. Following Jlo around knowing he can pass him at the penultimate lap, is the new civil Marc. Wanting to slam into the back of him is the ....... Marc that cost him 3 crashes, this is NOT to be confused with some hardware change.
This dude traded 20 points for 0 more than once. 20=runner up, thats second place over everybody else, but im supposed to believe the runner-up quality bike had some crisis deficiency that needed immediate revamping? I got some beachfront properties in Kansas for sale.
Well thats the point im making J4ns, he is NOT riding the 2014/15 bike like an ......., though if im to believe Arrabi, thats what Marc wanted given his reversion. He is riding it decidedly NOT like he rode 2014, but rather a bit more measured as some here have thoughtfully pointed out, and this I believe accounts for his renewed success. Following Jlo around knowing he can pass him at the penultimate lap, is the new civil Marc. Wanting to slam into the back of him is the ....... Marc that cost him 3 crashes, this is NOT to be confused with some hardware change.
This dude traded 20 points for 0 more than once. 20=runner up, thats second place over everybody else, but im supposed to believe the runner-up quality bike had some crisis deficiency that needed immediate revamping? I got some beachfront properties in Kansas for sale.
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