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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Feb 15 2006, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>if suzuki would listen then hed crack it
Kawa's the same. The problem with these two factories is their executives don't care. I'd imagine the head honchos at Yamaha, Honda and Ducati all want the championship, but while guys like Paul Denning, Nakano, Hopper and Eckl might want to win, its not a high priority on ther factories lists
Kawa's the same. The problem with these two factories is their executives don't care. I'd imagine the head honchos at Yamaha, Honda and Ducati all want the championship, but while guys like Paul Denning, Nakano, Hopper and Eckl might want to win, its not a high priority on ther factories lists
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seems that way at times,,,shame.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Feb 14 2006, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kawa's the same. The problem with these two factories is their executives don't care. I'd imagine the head honchos at Yamaha, Honda and Ducati all want the championship, but while guys like Paul Denning, Nakano, Hopper and Eckl might want to win, its not a high priority on ther factories lists
this is why they need to setup their own race corps. like hrc or ducati corse. apparently yamaha have taken this step also... finally! as long as susuki & kawasaki are run out of the corprate office, by executives & bean counters with their heads shoved up their ....., they'll struggle. they need that racing co. deticated to racing, run by passionate race people. or they'll be also rans forever.
this is why they need to setup their own race corps. like hrc or ducati corse. apparently yamaha have taken this step also... finally! as long as susuki & kawasaki are run out of the corprate office, by executives & bean counters with their heads shoved up their ....., they'll struggle. they need that racing co. deticated to racing, run by passionate race people. or they'll be also rans forever.
Yeah, Yamaha have now got YEC (Yamaha Engineering Corporation). It dosen't take a rocket scientist to see that their trying to emulate HRC's winning form. YEC have done a great job in SBK to make Yamaha Motor Italia as competitive as it is.
Kawa and Suzuki's Motorcycle divisions are smaller though. Most of Kawasaki's money would come from Shipbuilding, cranes, aircraft parts, stuff like that. A designated racing arm would help. A lot.
Kawa and Suzuki's Motorcycle divisions are smaller though. Most of Kawasaki's money would come from Shipbuilding, cranes, aircraft parts, stuff like that. A designated racing arm would help. A lot.
Here's my take on it. He's not going to F1. Every read Doohan's biog? Call me a sceptic ( I am! ) I think all of Rossi's talk of Rally, F1 and so on is just a realy clever game. When the Yam contract is up at the end of 2006 Rossi will say ' right that's it, I'm off ' and Dorna will sht themselves. Yamaha and Ducati will be lining up their bankmanagers to make him the biggest two wheeled pay deal ever and Dorna will throw in a healthy few Million Euro just for good measure to be sure and keep Vale far away from the evil clutches of Mr Ecclestone.
Just like Mick did every time his contract was up with Honda, he would court Yamaha and Suzuki's attention, slip their pay offer into the rumour mill and Mr Honda would get out the chequebook...but I could be wrong. I think Rossi is doing the same kinda thing.
Just like Mick did every time his contract was up with Honda, he would court Yamaha and Suzuki's attention, slip their pay offer into the rumour mill and Mr Honda would get out the chequebook...but I could be wrong. I think Rossi is doing the same kinda thing.
I haven't heard that theory before, but I gotta admit it makes a lot of sense. Definately a possibility. He's Yamaha's only hope now. Honda are getting them back by stealing all thier talented rookies (Elias, Melandri) This leaves Yamaha with nothing but a good, consistent but by no means sensational Edwards, and whoever they can find to fill Rossi's shoes. I imagine they'll throw massive amonts of money at Rossi just to try and keep him.
Also note that the rumour mill in F1 is that Schuy is gone in 2007,. which happens to match nicely with Rossi's date. Also Berger has been slating F1 folk stating that their heads would be up their a__s if they miss an oppertunity to sign Rossi,.
and when u think of it,. what better promo could F1 get than this !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Feb 27 2006, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I haven't heard that theory before, but I gotta admit it makes a lot of sense. Definately a possibility. He's Yamaha's only hope now. Honda are getting them back by stealing all thier talented rookies (Elias, Melandri) This leaves Yamaha with nothing but a good, consistent but by no means sensational Edwards, and whoever they can find to fill Rossi's shoes. I imagine they'll throw massive amonts of money at Rossi just to try and keep him.
and when u think of it,. what better promo could F1 get than this !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Feb 27 2006, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I haven't heard that theory before, but I gotta admit it makes a lot of sense. Definately a possibility. He's Yamaha's only hope now. Honda are getting them back by stealing all thier talented rookies (Elias, Melandri) This leaves Yamaha with nothing but a good, consistent but by no means sensational Edwards, and whoever they can find to fill Rossi's shoes. I imagine they'll throw massive amonts of money at Rossi just to try and keep him.
That's a possibility but Rossi is already the best paid rider ever and he is still far away from what Ferrari pays Schumi. I don't think MotoGP can afford to pay that kind of salary.
I think Rossi wont go to F1 because he enjoys winning and if he goes to F1 he is going to suck, even in the hypothetical case he was a very good F1 driver, F1 depends a lot on the car, he won't be able to win if the car sucks which is a possibility.
I think he has an eye on Agostini's wins record...
I think Rossi wont go to F1 because he enjoys winning and if he goes to F1 he is going to suck, even in the hypothetical case he was a very good F1 driver, F1 depends a lot on the car, he won't be able to win if the car sucks which is a possibility.
I think he has an eye on Agostini's wins record...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Feb 28 2006, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he has an eye on Agostini's wins record...
he'll need to stick around a while to reach that record. i just don't see it..... let me barrow ur rose tinted specs teo!
he'll need to stick around a while to reach that record. i just don't see it..... let me barrow ur rose tinted specs teo!
Well. It is all open now. It is very hard to predict Vale's future.For sure there is an interrest in F1, I don't know if it is Rossi's idea, or the whole F1 issue came out from somewhere else(Ferrari maybe).He is considering this, taking his chance to experience something new.But will he go to F1? , it is unknown even for himself I guess.
I think that VR hasn't decided yet about his future <2006.IMO there are a lot factors on which it will depend.For sure there is a 'lack of motivation' issue.He is doing the same things on M1 now that he did on RCV once.He prooved everyone what he has intended to proove.Looking on first IRTA on Catalunya, things aren't going to change rather dramatically this year(Yamaha is looking veeery strong, and Honda isn't).I think VR dislike some Honda activity in Motogp. Changing rules to make better fitting bike for their new hope small rider.All these games..I think this is making Motogp worse in general, and Valentino maybe is getting sick of all this stuff.
From the other hand, there are some new folks who can deliver some motivation to Vale this Year for sure.I hope they will.I hope that rising potential from Suzuki and Kawa also will do good for the sport. Surprisingly Honda looks weak at the moment. 2006 bike is a mess and Yamaha bike is piece of art, easy to ride for Vale, Colin and Carlos.Yes..that's another goal which Valentino had achieved.He made M1 better than Honda not only for himself but for others too.
Stupid for Yamaha was not to prepare some other rider to take place after Valentino if he goes.They gave away to many good riders to HRC. And i don't see anybody in yamaha camp to take Vale's place.Of course they can buy somebody back from HRC, but IMO it would be better if somebody had as many experience with M1 as possible before taking Rossi's duty.
Maybe Yamaha doesn't look for the replacement becouse they do not consider any other option than Vale + YAmaha combo in 2007 and beyond.Yamaha qoutes:
"If vale lives us in 2007, this will put us in a very difficult situation."
"We will do everything we can to motivate Valentino to stay with us for 2007" ..etc.
I hope they will.
This will be deciding year for Valentino's future. His results in Motogp.Opposition he will meet, hisresults in F1 testing - theese factors will determine his 2007+ carreer.In my heart I don't think that F1 world is vale's dream..but of course it is hard to deny that this opportunity must have made Valentiono a bit excited.He is winner though.and he will not go to F1 to be "5,6 place driver."
I hope he will stay in motorcycle racing.,maybe in some other team..who knows.Even vale doesn't rule out riding for Honda in a future...
And regarding to some post earlier, If valentino leaves it WILL have big impact on Motogp, belive me.Right now it became too expensive, too "Honda dominated" behind scenes..and many Journalists wrote about future of motogp a little worried.Valentino's departure would only made things worse.Attendance would drop down a bit for sure..and attendance is a thing it is all about.
Maybe Spain would be happiest those days,waveing for Dani on his little 800cc machine taking one victory after another..
I think that VR hasn't decided yet about his future <2006.IMO there are a lot factors on which it will depend.For sure there is a 'lack of motivation' issue.He is doing the same things on M1 now that he did on RCV once.He prooved everyone what he has intended to proove.Looking on first IRTA on Catalunya, things aren't going to change rather dramatically this year(Yamaha is looking veeery strong, and Honda isn't).I think VR dislike some Honda activity in Motogp. Changing rules to make better fitting bike for their new hope small rider.All these games..I think this is making Motogp worse in general, and Valentino maybe is getting sick of all this stuff.
From the other hand, there are some new folks who can deliver some motivation to Vale this Year for sure.I hope they will.I hope that rising potential from Suzuki and Kawa also will do good for the sport. Surprisingly Honda looks weak at the moment. 2006 bike is a mess and Yamaha bike is piece of art, easy to ride for Vale, Colin and Carlos.Yes..that's another goal which Valentino had achieved.He made M1 better than Honda not only for himself but for others too.
Stupid for Yamaha was not to prepare some other rider to take place after Valentino if he goes.They gave away to many good riders to HRC. And i don't see anybody in yamaha camp to take Vale's place.Of course they can buy somebody back from HRC, but IMO it would be better if somebody had as many experience with M1 as possible before taking Rossi's duty.
Maybe Yamaha doesn't look for the replacement becouse they do not consider any other option than Vale + YAmaha combo in 2007 and beyond.Yamaha qoutes:
"If vale lives us in 2007, this will put us in a very difficult situation."
"We will do everything we can to motivate Valentino to stay with us for 2007" ..etc.
I hope they will.
This will be deciding year for Valentino's future. His results in Motogp.Opposition he will meet, hisresults in F1 testing - theese factors will determine his 2007+ carreer.In my heart I don't think that F1 world is vale's dream..but of course it is hard to deny that this opportunity must have made Valentiono a bit excited.He is winner though.and he will not go to F1 to be "5,6 place driver."
I hope he will stay in motorcycle racing.,maybe in some other team..who knows.Even vale doesn't rule out riding for Honda in a future...
And regarding to some post earlier, If valentino leaves it WILL have big impact on Motogp, belive me.Right now it became too expensive, too "Honda dominated" behind scenes..and many Journalists wrote about future of motogp a little worried.Valentino's departure would only made things worse.Attendance would drop down a bit for sure..and attendance is a thing it is all about.
Maybe Spain would be happiest those days,waveing for Dani on his little 800cc machine taking one victory after another..
Welcome to the site peteboy, where are you from?
That's gotta be one of the biggest posts I've evr seen... I could never maintain interest or concentration that long
You're favourite rider's Nakano? Are you a Kawa fan? There's a few of us on here. You seem pretty clued in to GP racing, you should start your own team on the site's fantasy motoGP leauge. It's great fun.
Now, about Vale...
I don't think he lacks motivation. People ask him if he gets sick of winning, and he says that's impossible, but in F1 I'm sure he could get sick of losing. It's not like he just comes to a race and wins it. Sure, he's got natural talent, but he wins so much because hima nd Jerry Burgess and his crew work so hard to do well on race day. He enjoys working for Yamaha, as opposed to Honda who he belived were too strict with him, so he left.
Yamaha is neglecting a situation where Rossi leaves them. Colin Edwards is getting better but he can't match Hayden and Melandri, which I think would be proven at Catalunya if the Honda wasn't so bad. Checa is getting old and it's likely he'll leave the sport before Rossi does. And compared to young guns like Pedrosa and Elias, Ellison's not that hot.
Yamaha practically gave Melandri and Elias away to Gresini. IOmagine if they had the smarts to keep Marco and put him on a factory M1 with his buddy Rossi. They'd be unstoppable. But right now all Yamaha cares about is Rossi.
That's gotta be one of the biggest posts I've evr seen... I could never maintain interest or concentration that long
You're favourite rider's Nakano? Are you a Kawa fan? There's a few of us on here. You seem pretty clued in to GP racing, you should start your own team on the site's fantasy motoGP leauge. It's great fun.
Now, about Vale...
I don't think he lacks motivation. People ask him if he gets sick of winning, and he says that's impossible, but in F1 I'm sure he could get sick of losing. It's not like he just comes to a race and wins it. Sure, he's got natural talent, but he wins so much because hima nd Jerry Burgess and his crew work so hard to do well on race day. He enjoys working for Yamaha, as opposed to Honda who he belived were too strict with him, so he left.
Yamaha is neglecting a situation where Rossi leaves them. Colin Edwards is getting better but he can't match Hayden and Melandri, which I think would be proven at Catalunya if the Honda wasn't so bad. Checa is getting old and it's likely he'll leave the sport before Rossi does. And compared to young guns like Pedrosa and Elias, Ellison's not that hot.
Yamaha practically gave Melandri and Elias away to Gresini. IOmagine if they had the smarts to keep Marco and put him on a factory M1 with his buddy Rossi. They'd be unstoppable. But right now all Yamaha cares about is Rossi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Maybe Spain would be happiest those days,waveing for Dani on his little 800cc machine taking one victory after another..
Oh yeah ...
Though it would be much more fun if Dani did it with Rossi on track.
Oh yeah ...
Though it would be much more fun if Dani did it with Rossi on track.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Mar 7 2006, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome to the site peteboy, where are you from?
That's gotta be one of the biggest posts I've evr seen... I could never maintain interest or concentration that long
You're favourite rider's Nakano? Are you a Kawa fan? There's a few of us on here. You seem pretty clued in to GP racing, you should start your own team on the site's fantasy motoGP leauge. It's great fun.
Yamaha is neglecting a situation where Rossi leaves them. Colin Edwards is getting better but he can't match Hayden and Melandri, which I think would be proven at Catalunya if the Honda wasn't so bad. Checa is getting old and it's likely he'll leave the sport before Rossi does. And compared to young guns like Pedrosa and Elias, Ellison's not that hot.
Well I do like Shinya.it is not about Kawa altough i like team green a lot. I think Shinya is one of the best japanese riders in recent years(beside Daijro of course)and I think it would be better if he grabbed this damn 250 title he lost by fractions of a second to Jacque.I think it would serve his career better.And I can't forgive Yamaha for letting him go.If he stayed, I belive that right now he would be top gun on M1 alongside Rossi, and Yamaha shouldn't worry about Rossi's departure.
But Kawasaki has one of best riders out there, he made this bike better and better every year..so it is good.
I hope he will come back to the strongest teams someday..or he will make Kawasaki team such one.
To many good riders Yamaha lost lately..I don't fully understand why.For sure as long as they have Rossi is ok, but..
I think you understimate Texas Tornado power!!!This season will be crucial..who knows, who knows.
And I will consider playing this game..maybe it is worth a try
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That's gotta be one of the biggest posts I've evr seen... I could never maintain interest or concentration that long
You're favourite rider's Nakano? Are you a Kawa fan? There's a few of us on here. You seem pretty clued in to GP racing, you should start your own team on the site's fantasy motoGP leauge. It's great fun.
Yamaha is neglecting a situation where Rossi leaves them. Colin Edwards is getting better but he can't match Hayden and Melandri, which I think would be proven at Catalunya if the Honda wasn't so bad. Checa is getting old and it's likely he'll leave the sport before Rossi does. And compared to young guns like Pedrosa and Elias, Ellison's not that hot.
Well I do like Shinya.it is not about Kawa altough i like team green a lot. I think Shinya is one of the best japanese riders in recent years(beside Daijro of course)and I think it would be better if he grabbed this damn 250 title he lost by fractions of a second to Jacque.I think it would serve his career better.And I can't forgive Yamaha for letting him go.If he stayed, I belive that right now he would be top gun on M1 alongside Rossi, and Yamaha shouldn't worry about Rossi's departure.
But Kawasaki has one of best riders out there, he made this bike better and better every year..so it is good.
I hope he will come back to the strongest teams someday..or he will make Kawasaki team such one.
To many good riders Yamaha lost lately..I don't fully understand why.For sure as long as they have Rossi is ok, but..
I think you understimate Texas Tornado power!!!This season will be crucial..who knows, who knows.
And I will consider playing this game..maybe it is worth a try
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Rossi has said there is no lack of motivation from him but it's hard to take that comment seriously when he only accomplishes one lap before lunch in testing at Catalunya. He seems bored and tired to me. I don't know if he'll leave or not, during the season I think he is happy winning races and solving the M1 with Burgess but in the off season he seems so bored. He skips MotoGP tests to go test the Ferrari or to go drive a Subaru rally car. No matter what he does, I won't be surprised.
Melandri was let go from Tech 3 Yamaha because Yamaha felt that he hadn't accomplished enough in his two seasons with the team and decided 2004 Rookie of the Year Ruben Xaus and 250 superstar Toni Elias would have more determination. Elias was let go because Tech 3 could not afford him without the Fortuna sponsorship and Fortuna had some links to Elias so when they went to Honda, he went to Honda.
Melandri was let go from Tech 3 Yamaha because Yamaha felt that he hadn't accomplished enough in his two seasons with the team and decided 2004 Rookie of the Year Ruben Xaus and 250 superstar Toni Elias would have more determination. Elias was let go because Tech 3 could not afford him without the Fortuna sponsorship and Fortuna had some links to Elias so when they went to Honda, he went to Honda.
Yamaha has still fumbled their good rookies. Bottom line is Tech 3 served as Yamaha's moto GP boot camp. (That's not the case his year) They need better bikes so any hot rookies they get can strecth their legs and get on the podium, creating more exposure for tech 3, so more sponsors, mor affordable, ect. Although Checa is really proving that Tech 3 M1's aren't that bad.
