Rossi vs Elias

Welcome to the boards brother! So when were you in the Spanish National Championship? Who did you ride for?

welcome aboard sling., im a rossi fan also and im 50/50 on the subject of him complaining, elias can be a bit bull at a gate sometimes and rossi held his cool last season when it saw him put in the gravel. i also think there are a lot of people who love to hate rossi and will blow any comments out of proportion to make him look bad but having said that mabe he did whine this once after all he is human just better not make it a habbit.

........ rog, the meida love Rossi. if anyone gets made to look bad it will be elias. ..., rossi look old havin a big whinge about crazy young punks. I think its gret that Elias got balls to fight rossi when so many ....... dont even try. Hes a ballsy crazy ........ fukin love it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (slingblade @ May 4 2007, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This time though I have a hard time agreeing with him. He was in the way of Elias among other riders (due to tire problems or whatever), finally finishing 10th.

I love Rossi but it was hard hearing him complain about Toni Elias, this time at least.

SlingGood to have you here sling, but I think you're being too easy on rossi. see, i've more than a hard time agreeing with him on his statement that elias was 'unsafe'. I think it borders on comical. I'm an ex-racer too, though i don't think to just quite as high a standard as yourself. Nevertheless, i know enough to know what's unsafe and what is nothing more than fair pass. Rossi's lost a lot of respect as far as I'm concerned, irrespective of any comment in any newspaper or website, the guy was wrong. Biaggi wrong. Your question, was it a genuine complaint or was it a heap of crap? Think of it like this... Have you ever passed anyone like that? Has anyone ever passed you like that? I'll bet yes and yes are you're answers. Me too and I loved every minute of it wether i was dishing it out or on the recieving end. that's what put's the hook in you. Rossi will regret saying it, probably does already but it speaks volumes about the guy by the very fact he said it in the first place.




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 4 2007, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........ rog, the meida love Rossi. if anyone gets made to look bad it will be elias. ..., rossi look old havin a big whinge about crazy young punks. I think its gret that Elias got balls to fight rossi when so many ....... dont even try. Hes a ballsy crazy ........ fukin love it.Fukin A!




<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ May 4 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>welcome aboard sling., im a rossi fan also and im 50/50 on the subject of him complaining, elias can be a bit bull at a gate sometimes and rossi held his cool last season when it saw him put in the gravel. i also think there are a lot of people who love to hate rossi and will blow any comments out of proportion to make him look bad but having said that mabe he did whine this once after all he is human just better not make it a habbit.C'mon get off the fence Rog, call a spade a spade!

So far these comments have separated the Rossi fans from the Rossi worshipers. Guess who is confirming their worshiper status?

(Hint, unscramble the following: m-rrgoe)

Props to you Skidmark.

Welcome aboard Sling, it’s refreshing to hear from a real fan of the sport that also has some racing background.

Richo, you crack me up. Are you hitting the juice again?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 4 2007, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........ rog, the meida love Rossi. if anyone gets made to look bad it will be elias. ..., rossi look old havin a big whinge about crazy young punks. I think its gret that Elias got balls to fight rossi when so many ....... dont even try. Hes a ballsy crazy ........ fukin love it.

Too right Richo,

Elias was "racing" and as i recall it wasn't that long ago i was watching Rossi doing exactly the same.

Ian

I'm 50/50 on this one. It is all from ones perspective during the race. I was watching this live on motogp.com, and the pass into the sharp left after the fastest right, looked chaotic than they showed a 2nd view that didn't look as bad.
With Toni known to back it in, he could have been doing it while passing or being on the inside line. If that was the case, Vale and everyone else should speak out. If not... zip your lips Vale!!!

i agree with sling, im also a great fan of vale, but with all due respect, he's italian, lol no offense, but he tends to think he's right! anyways, cant wait for shanghai!
mike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 4 2007, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........ rog, the meida love Rossi. if anyone gets made to look bad it will be elias. ..., rossi look old havin a big whinge about crazy young punks. I think its gret that Elias got balls to fight rossi when so many ....... dont even try. Hes a ballsy crazy ........ fukin love it.

Now that's true, but more than anyone or anything the media love Blod!
If they get the sent it doesn't matter wat your name are. So in this case media love blod, not Rossi. He was too harsh on Elias, the pass might be worth a comment as it was a lousy pass but nothing more than that really.

What's hillarious here is the besserwissers that seems to rate the riders 90% on their behaviours off the track. "Rossi lost a lot of respect", the comment "speaks volumes about the guy" is just two of many comments that seems to decide "my rating of the driver/is the rider worthy of me cheering for him".

I'm not saying personality and statements play no role in my rating of the drivers, but I would rather switch the importance to 10/90. That put the importance of quick post race comment after a disapointing race into some perspective.

In case you didn't notice, these guys are riders, not show hosts or politicians. But then again if you can find something to stain you real idol's oponents and most of all, their fans, just the better, you hardly rate anyone else anyway, are you?

It's really to bad that a sport in such a degree must be political correct that, alltough funny as we all know what Collin really said, he "had" to say: "We were all working our tails off" in the post Q-interview.

If you want to know what speaks volumes of a guy just look here: "1:58.424.What goes on outside the track is just ........ in comparison.
But why do I bother, as I said I find it more hillarious than anoying. Make you look kind of cute, you know like an angry pedrobot, wanting to beat you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 5 2007, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What's hillarious here is the besserwissers that seems to rate the riders 90% on their behaviours off the track. "Rossi lost a lot of respect", the comment "speaks volumes about the guy" is just two of many comments that seems to decide "my rating of the driver/is the rider worthy of me cheering for him".


It's really to bad that a sport in such a degree must be political correct that, alltough funny as we all know what Collin really said, he "had" to say: "We were all working our tails off" in the post Q-interview.

If you want to know what speaks volumes of a guy just look here: "1:58.424.What goes on outside the track is just ........ in comparison.Blow it out your ... fish, don't even start. If you wanna have a dig go ahead but you're missing the point completely in doing so. It's about sportsmanship. Who do you know likes a sore looser? no matter who he is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ May 5 2007, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Blow it out your ... fish, don't even start. If you wanna have a dig go ahead but you're missing the point completely in doing so. It's about sportsmanship. Who do you know likes a sore looser? no matter who he is.

You mean tail dont you?
Am I missing the point?
We now have 3 different threads discussing the same 30 sec comment of Rossi right after the race, where most of those driving these threads can't even lower themselvs to agree with their Hero, Elias, who point out that there were two dangerous moments in that pass. And you are trying to make THAT into a question about sportsmanship?
Fantastic, or maybe fanatic is a better word. At least it's totally out of proportions and perspective.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mike46 @ May 5 2007, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with sling, im also a great fan of vale, but with all due respect, he's italian, lol no offense, but he tends to think he's right! anyways, cant wait for shanghai!
mike

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 4 2007, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>........ rog, the meida love Rossi. if anyone gets made to look bad it will be elias. ..., rossi look old havin a big whinge about crazy young punks. I think its gret that Elias got balls to fight rossi when so many ....... dont even try. Hes a ballsy crazy ........ fukin love it.

So what does this tells you... being Italian also means he has earned that ‘media loving him’ (an like a million stunts and fans to back it up)... I mean it’s not just inherited ‘media loving it’ just for the tons of sales that a masive economy would get behind it all!

Anyway, as I’ve said an admited also in a couple of other threads, here he did mess up with his comments, that's about it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 5 2007, 06:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You mean tail dont you?
Am I missing the point?
We now have 3 different threads discussing the same 30 sec comment of Rossi right after the race, where most of those driving these threads can't even lower themselvs to agree with their Hero, Elias, who point out that there were two dangerous moments in that pass. And you are trying to make THAT into a question about sportsmanship?
Fantastic, or maybe fanatic is a better word. At least it's totally out of proportions and perspective.

Note taken Fish!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 5 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We now have 3 different threads discussing the same 30 sec comment of Rossi right after the race,
yeah and i wonder fish, how many of those who have made an oppinion actualy heard the comments with there own ears and how many made a judgement on pure hearsay.
and i agree with your above post mate.

SHANGHAI, CHINA, MAY 6: Nicky Hayden’s race was over almost before it began.

Braking hard for the looping right hand first turn of the Shanghai International Circuit, Hayden was rammed from behind by Gresini Honda's Toni Elias. The impact sent him hurdling off the track and into a potentially lethal situation: Had he not been able to stop the RC212V, he might have run across the racing line as the pack was starting the ensuing left. <taken from www.cyclenewsonline.com


Elias is fast for sure and has loads of talent. Speed and power without control can be attained by any amateur. The key is to go toward the front without collecting everyone else along with you. I suppose Nicky Hayden rammed his bike into reverse and took poor Elias out huh? The man is a danger on the track. Had Nicky not been able to stop in time he could have run across the race line. I think a lot of the individuals who bashed Rossi and supported Elias were people who dont neccessarily support Rossi anyway, and that's fair enough. How do the Hayden fans feel now that their boy was punted off by Toni "banzai!" Elias?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 6 2007, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SHANGHAI, CHINA, MAY 6: Nicky Hayden’s race was over almost before it began.

Braking hard for the looping right hand first turn of the Shanghai International Circuit, Hayden was rammed from behind by Gresini Honda's Toni Elias. The impact sent him hurdling off the track and into a potentially lethal situation: Had he not been able to stop the RC212V, he might have run across the racing line as the pack was starting the ensuing left. <taken from www.cyclenewsonline.com
Elias is fast for sure and has loads of talent. Speed and power without control can be attained by any amateur. The key is to go toward the front without collecting everyone else along with you. I suppose Nicky Hayden rammed his bike into reverse and took poor Elias out huh? The man is a danger on the track. Had Nicky not been able to stop in time he could have run across the race line. I think a lot of the individuals who bashed Rossi and supported Elias were people who dont neccessarily support Rossi anyway, and that's fair enough. How do the Hayden fans feel now that their boy was punted off by Toni "banzai!" Elias?

Elias did not 'Banzai' them, he was just playing mind games with Hayden and Barros, so he force them out with telepathy... In fact, as Puig would say: "It was Hayden's fault!"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ May 6 2007, 11:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Elias did not 'Banzai' them, he was just playing mind games with Hayden and Barros, so he force them out with telepathy... In fact, as Puig would say: "It was Hayden's fault!"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 6 2007, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Elias is fast for sure and has loads of talent. Speed and power without control can be attained by any amateur. The key is to go toward the front without collecting everyone else along with you. I suppose Nicky Hayden rammed his bike into reverse and took poor Elias out huh? The man is a danger on the track. Had Nicky not been able to stop in time he could have run across the race line. I think a lot of the individuals who bashed Rossi and supported Elias were people who dont neccessarily support Rossi anyway, and that's fair enough. How do the Hayden fans feel now that their boy was punted off by Toni "banzai!" Elias?

I think Elias got a hot head coming from the back of the grid and made a very foolish mistake. It is very unfortunate that other riders have to pay for these errors but they do happen. I don't think Toni is too dangerous or that he needs to be penalised or anyhting like that.

Something was blatantly going to happen at that corner. It could just as easily have been Rossi, Edwards (were he not accidentally in reverse), Checa or anyone else. It was Elias because yes, he doesn't give up and he fights hard. I'm afraid I'm going to have to put that one in the "racing incidents" pile too. 20 riders go through a tight hairpin within two seconds, somethings gotta give.