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Rossi: "Stoner did an incredible job on the Ducati"
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rezonator636
As I said , I agree it was largely self-justification, and not particularly enthralling even for me as a fan.
He perhaps shouldn't have bothered, and I would surmise his aim was to get his own view out there whilst still fairly recently retired. I don't think his motive was monetary; he makes no attempt to dress things up or make it "racy". He mostly says what he has said before, which I guess may be less familiar to casual fans than it is to me.
If he is going to do the book though he clearly has to address Laguna Seca 2008 and Jerez 2011 (which he didn't do at all that much length in regard to either) and his split with Ducati and disappointment with attitudes to his 2009 illness, since these were the major controversies of his career, and the latter is what he has previously said led to his disillusionment with the sport and ultimate retirement.
I would agree with Roger that as opposed to Stoner the other party involved in the Laguna Seca 2008 imbroglio has not had much to say about it of late, whether through having greater dignity or because after encountering the Ducati he realised that his tactics in that brilliant ride addressed the deficiencies of the Ducati more than those of Stoner as Casey implies I am not sure.
As I said , I agree it was largely self-justification, and not particularly enthralling even for me as a fan.
He perhaps shouldn't have bothered, and I would surmise his aim was to get his own view out there whilst still fairly recently retired. I don't think his motive was monetary; he makes no attempt to dress things up or make it "racy". He mostly says what he has said before, which I guess may be less familiar to casual fans than it is to me.
If he is going to do the book though he clearly has to address Laguna Seca 2008 and Jerez 2011 (which he didn't do at all that much length in regard to either) and his split with Ducati and disappointment with attitudes to his 2009 illness, since these were the major controversies of his career, and the latter is what he has previously said led to his disillusionment with the sport and ultimate retirement.
I would agree with Roger that as opposed to Stoner the other party involved in the Laguna Seca 2008 imbroglio has not had much to say about it of late, whether through having greater dignity or because after encountering the Ducati he realised that his tactics in that brilliant ride addressed the deficiencies of the Ducati more than those of Stoner as Casey implies I am not sure.
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rezonator636
exactly this. as a fan of his, I am happy for the success he had, and as a fan of racing I am happy about the thrill and style his riding brought to the sport. can't even be pissed off that he left. i just wish he wouldn't work on appearing even more bitter and frustrated than he has already been regarded over the past few years.
I think he grew a lot of motivation out of these disappointments, although I had preferred if he had found a way of transforming it into something more positive, instead of just piling up hatred inside himself. would have been pretty useful in this .......-laden business that MotoGP (or any professional sport at the highest level) is.
exactly this. as a fan of his, I am happy for the success he had, and as a fan of racing I am happy about the thrill and style his riding brought to the sport. can't even be pissed off that he left. i just wish he wouldn't work on appearing even more bitter and frustrated than he has already been regarded over the past few years.
I think he grew a lot of motivation out of these disappointments, although I had preferred if he had found a way of transforming it into something more positive, instead of just piling up hatred inside himself. would have been pretty useful in this .......-laden business that MotoGP (or any professional sport at the highest level) is.
rezonator636
Very true, that is just how he comes across, though right.
Unfortunately, this is true given how sport is tied to entertainment after all. Fans tend to be mesmerized; I myself admit I do and enjoy a VR win, as even the most simple victory comes across as some stroke of magic, while almost all of Casey's rides were honestly out of this world. But at the end of the day, Casey I reckon, has just as many fans as does VR. And let's not forget most of VR's fans have now migrated to the MM bandwagon. Casey does command the respect he duly deserves, and he should recognize the fact; perhaps he is an inherent pessimist and enjoys seeing the glass half empty. That said, I really do not think VR's moves were wily or dangerous; a little edgy maybe, but definitely not Sic/Bautista-esque. However, Casey is deeply missed by all fans alike, and nothing will be better had he to consider to just ride one season and be in the current mix of talent, unquestionably one of the best line-ups ever..
Very true, that is just how he comes across, though right.
Unfortunately, this is true given how sport is tied to entertainment after all. Fans tend to be mesmerized; I myself admit I do and enjoy a VR win, as even the most simple victory comes across as some stroke of magic, while almost all of Casey's rides were honestly out of this world. But at the end of the day, Casey I reckon, has just as many fans as does VR. And let's not forget most of VR's fans have now migrated to the MM bandwagon. Casey does command the respect he duly deserves, and he should recognize the fact; perhaps he is an inherent pessimist and enjoys seeing the glass half empty. That said, I really do not think VR's moves were wily or dangerous; a little edgy maybe, but definitely not Sic/Bautista-esque. However, Casey is deeply missed by all fans alike, and nothing will be better had he to consider to just ride one season and be in the current mix of talent, unquestionably one of the best line-ups ever..
Sarita
hahahaha, Something the bopper have in common with the Boners then. Who would have thought ? lol Not you and me tho mike, we are Lorenzo fanboys .
hahahaha, Something the bopper have in common with the Boners then. Who would have thought ? lol Not you and me tho mike, we are Lorenzo fanboys .
chopperman
I really think Jorge is the best out there now, and better than Stoner overall if not for sheer raw talent. I couldn't help but admire his sheer determination in his premier class title defences, in both of which he seemed to have the odds against him, and was disappointed he ultimately couldn't ride PI 2011 even though it clinched the title for Casey I remain to be convinced MM is better than him, although he obviously couldn't have done much more than he has so far.
I would be extremely surprised if either MM or Jorge gets anywhere near Valentino's premier class record though, the sheer will and physical as well as mental endurance required for that is massive as Doohan has said. Even staying uninjured for that long is well nigh impossible, and I still think MM's close to the edge style may be problematic long term.
I really think Jorge is the best out there now, and better than Stoner overall if not for sheer raw talent. I couldn't help but admire his sheer determination in his premier class title defences, in both of which he seemed to have the odds against him, and was disappointed he ultimately couldn't ride PI 2011 even though it clinched the title for Casey I remain to be convinced MM is better than him, although he obviously couldn't have done much more than he has so far.
I would be extremely surprised if either MM or Jorge gets anywhere near Valentino's premier class record though, the sheer will and physical as well as mental endurance required for that is massive as Doohan has said. Even staying uninjured for that long is well nigh impossible, and I still think MM's close to the edge style may be problematic long term.
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michaelm
There's another obstacle for both MM and JL; each other. Rossi didn't have an equal in the series until he was nearly eight years into his career, whereas JL (and now MM) have had to battle other aliens since their first day in the premier class.
There's another obstacle for both MM and JL; each other. Rossi didn't have an equal in the series until he was nearly eight years into his career, whereas JL (and now MM) have had to battle other aliens since their first day in the premier class.
Stoner hasn't grown up yet...... that's his problem. His mentality is still that of a 10 year old boy who was forced into something to make his momma and poppa proud. He's like those child stars who's lives became fucced up.
Dr No
Well i normally agree with most of your posts and by contrast disagree with most of ss56's. But in this case, i disagree with you and think ss56's post was magic :winkiss:
Well i normally agree with most of your posts and by contrast disagree with most of ss56's. But in this case, i disagree with you and think ss56's post was magic :winkiss:
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rezonator636
This coming from the man who managed to make a bitter, personal enemy out of every one of his major rivals?
The same person who has burned more bridges than the Italian Army? (Hello, Honda?!)
The guy who just recently threw his lifelong 'friend' and trusted mechanic under the Big Yellow Bus?
Time to take off the <span style="font-size:24px;<span style="color:rgb(255,215,0);Bopper Vision goggles, Rez.
This coming from the man who managed to make a bitter, personal enemy out of every one of his major rivals?
The same person who has burned more bridges than the Italian Army? (Hello, Honda?!)
The guy who just recently threw his lifelong 'friend' and trusted mechanic under the Big Yellow Bus?
Time to take off the <span style="font-size:24px;<span style="color:rgb(255,215,0);Bopper Vision goggles, Rez.
Geonerd
A very bias view of rossi. I guess i'm guilty of the same with stoner so...carry on.
3699911385937880
This coming from the man who managed to make a bitter, personal enemy out of every one of his major rivals?
The same person who has burned more bridges than the Italian Army? (Hello, Honda?!)
The guy who just recently threw his lifelong 'friend' and trusted mechanic under the Big Yellow Bus?
Time to take off the <span style="font-size:24px;<span style="color:rgb(255,215,0);Bopper Vision goggles, Rez.
A very bias view of rossi. I guess i'm guilty of the same with stoner so...carry on.
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Geonerd
Hahaha, I doubt you could label me a bopper, but feel free to call me a Stoner nutrider, as I own both his autobiography and his god-awful picture book, "Victory Lap" (I think I'm the only person in the US who has it). I've always maintained that Stoner is a phenomenal rider, but his personality is lacking. Think about it: this is a man who constantly speaks his mind, completely unfiltered, and his opinions are usually negative. Does that sound like a fun person to be around?
Rossi may not be the rider Stoner is (not on the Ducati, at least), but he's a much better politician. That's why he did all those things you mentioned in the above post and yet is still loved everywhere he goes. Stoner is one of the greatest talents MotoGP has seen but he is still more disliked than liked by most fans. And, let's not forget, Stoner started a twitter feud with V8 Supercars driver Mark Winterbottom before Casey ever turned a wheel in that series by criticizing one of Winterbottom's overtaking moves.
That's my point: I think MotoGP is a better place with Stoner in it, but I can see other riders being relieved that they don't have to deal with him anymore. Although they may just be happy that there's one less alien to deal with.
3699911385937880
This coming from the man who managed to make a bitter, personal enemy out of every one of his major rivals?
The same person who has burned more bridges than the Italian Army? (Hello, Honda?!)
The guy who just recently threw his lifelong 'friend' and trusted mechanic under the Big Yellow Bus?
Time to take off the <span style="font-size:24px;<span style="color:rgb(255,215,0);Bopper Vision goggles, Rez.
Hahaha, I doubt you could label me a bopper, but feel free to call me a Stoner nutrider, as I own both his autobiography and his god-awful picture book, "Victory Lap" (I think I'm the only person in the US who has it). I've always maintained that Stoner is a phenomenal rider, but his personality is lacking. Think about it: this is a man who constantly speaks his mind, completely unfiltered, and his opinions are usually negative. Does that sound like a fun person to be around?
Rossi may not be the rider Stoner is (not on the Ducati, at least), but he's a much better politician. That's why he did all those things you mentioned in the above post and yet is still loved everywhere he goes. Stoner is one of the greatest talents MotoGP has seen but he is still more disliked than liked by most fans. And, let's not forget, Stoner started a twitter feud with V8 Supercars driver Mark Winterbottom before Casey ever turned a wheel in that series by criticizing one of Winterbottom's overtaking moves.
That's my point: I think MotoGP is a better place with Stoner in it, but I can see other riders being relieved that they don't have to deal with him anymore. Although they may just be happy that there's one less alien to deal with.
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rezonator636
Yeah, just look at the talent Rossi had to beat into 2nd place on the way to his first five titles: Biaggi twice, Gibernau twice and Melandri. All great riders but definitely not extraterrestrial. And he did it with the aid of the SNS. That's why I rate '08 and '09 as Rossi's best years.
Yeah, just look at the talent Rossi had to beat into 2nd place on the way to his first five titles: Biaggi twice, Gibernau twice and Melandri. All great riders but definitely not extraterrestrial. And he did it with the aid of the SNS. That's why I rate '08 and '09 as Rossi's best years.
rezonator636
His public persona and attitude and responses to the media including the book, and how he is out of the spotlight and hence his relationship with other riders are not necessarily the same. Rossi obviously doesn't like him but as has been pointed out he has had bitter personal feuds with all of his major rivals up to and including Stoner, and was heading that way with Lorenzo until his decision to go to Ducati meant they pretty well ceased being rivals. Abraham hates him, due to Stoner's not necessarily completely untrue but unnecessary statement that he wouldn't be in the field if his father hadn't bought him a seat, backing up your point.
Otherwise as I said I don't see much evidence for him being disliked by the other riders.
His public persona and attitude and responses to the media including the book, and how he is out of the spotlight and hence his relationship with other riders are not necessarily the same. Rossi obviously doesn't like him but as has been pointed out he has had bitter personal feuds with all of his major rivals up to and including Stoner, and was heading that way with Lorenzo until his decision to go to Ducati meant they pretty well ceased being rivals. Abraham hates him, due to Stoner's not necessarily completely untrue but unnecessary statement that he wouldn't be in the field if his father hadn't bought him a seat, backing up your point.
Otherwise as I said I don't see much evidence for him being disliked by the other riders.
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hagbard
Until Rossi went to ducati I possibly thought that too.
But then Rossi rode the duc and showed in 08 and 09 his major opposition was on a bike Rossi could not ride.
So no ...... again rossis opposition has always been hobbled, or just plain nags.
Until Rossi went to ducati I possibly thought that too.
But then Rossi rode the duc and showed in 08 and 09 his major opposition was on a bike Rossi could not ride.
So no ...... again rossis opposition has always been hobbled, or just plain nags.
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