www.gpone.com/en/2013112812306/Stoner-Ora-Con-la-Ducati-arriverebbe-6.html
He also said that Stoner could still finish sixth on the Ducati today...
He also said that Stoner could still finish sixth on the Ducati today...
Rossi: "Stoner did an incredible job on the Ducati"
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The implication being no better than him, I thought.
A little bitchy, but then I gather Stoner wasn't very complimentary about him in the recent book either.
The implication being no better than him, I thought.
A little bitchy, but then I gather Stoner wasn't very complimentary about him in the recent book either.
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RCV600RR
Well he would, especially after getting on a bike that Stoner could win on and he could not.
Bit of a silly speculation really.
The question was done and dusted, and the answer was Stoner can ride it rossi cannot.
Unless ........ its acknowledgement that rossi developed the bike backards.
Well he would, especially after getting on a bike that Stoner could win on and he could not.
Bit of a silly speculation really.
The question was done and dusted, and the answer was Stoner can ride it rossi cannot.
Unless ........ its acknowledgement that rossi developed the bike backards.
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michaelm
I've read the book and you're right, Stoner isn't complementary at all. He basically implies that Rossi was one of the dirtiest riders in the series when he was winning, but he got away with it because he's so good with the crowd and the camera.
I've read the book and you're right, Stoner isn't complementary at all. He basically implies that Rossi was one of the dirtiest riders in the series when he was winning, but he got away with it because he's so good with the crowd and the camera.
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Garbin
I doubt even Stoner could run the Ducati that fast. But if he had, he would have melted Rossi's brain, the same way Rossi crushed Biaggi's spirits once upon a time.
Edited to add: the GP13, I mean. That bike looks so bad it might be beyond even Stoner's powers. But you never know...
I doubt even Stoner could run the Ducati that fast. But if he had, he would have melted Rossi's brain, the same way Rossi crushed Biaggi's spirits once upon a time.
Edited to add: the GP13, I mean. That bike looks so bad it might be beyond even Stoner's powers. But you never know...
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chopperman
Not just Laguna, but lots of other races. He says that Rossi repeatedly put other riders in danger with his antics. And Rossi did a Bautista on Stoner at Jerez in 2011, after all.
That being said, I don't remember ever thinking of Rossi as dangerous. It would be interesting to see what other riders think of this, whether Rossi did take too many risks, or whether Stoner is just overstating things.
It's also worth to note that, in the article, Rossi says that the paddock is a happier place without Stoner in it.
Not just Laguna, but lots of other races. He says that Rossi repeatedly put other riders in danger with his antics. And Rossi did a Bautista on Stoner at Jerez in 2011, after all.
That being said, I don't remember ever thinking of Rossi as dangerous. It would be interesting to see what other riders think of this, whether Rossi did take too many risks, or whether Stoner is just overstating things.
It's also worth to note that, in the article, Rossi says that the paddock is a happier place without Stoner in it.
rezonator636
More like a Pedrosa Estoril 06. Rossi went for the pass and lost the front. Thats racing ! Besides, stoner did leave the door open inviting the pass.
I knew his book would be nothing but a Whine fest.
More like a Pedrosa Estoril 06. Rossi went for the pass and lost the front. Thats racing ! Besides, stoner did leave the door open inviting the pass.
I knew his book would be nothing but a Whine fest.
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chopperman
I wish I could say it wasn't a whine fest...but the fact is, a good portion of the book is a detailed list of complaints. Rossi and Stoner may hate each other (and with good reason), but I don't doubt what Rossi said about the paddock being a happier place without Stoner. Casey doesn't seem like the most pleasant person to be around.
I wish I could say it wasn't a whine fest...but the fact is, a good portion of the book is a detailed list of complaints. Rossi and Stoner may hate each other (and with good reason), but I don't doubt what Rossi said about the paddock being a happier place without Stoner. Casey doesn't seem like the most pleasant person to be around.
michaelm
"When I look at his telemetry, I'm not sure how he did it".
"He rode in an incredible way. He's unique".
I think he's admitting Casey's superiority on the Duke quite clearly?
"When I look at his telemetry, I'm not sure how he did it".
"He rode in an incredible way. He's unique".
I think he's admitting Casey's superiority on the Duke quite clearly?
Jumkie
Rossi's move on Sete at Jerez 05 was dirty. But, aside from that, I can't recall any other instances where he has made 'dirty' moves. I haven't seen much of him pre-2000, but from 13 years in the premier class, I can only clearly point to that incident.
At the corkscrew in Laguna Seca 08 and Jerez 2011? They were two mistakes, rather than calculated 'dirty' manoeuvres. He almost wiped himself out at the Corkscrew (and he did wipe himself out at Jerez!).
Rossi's move on Sete at Jerez 05 was dirty. But, aside from that, I can't recall any other instances where he has made 'dirty' moves. I haven't seen much of him pre-2000, but from 13 years in the premier class, I can only clearly point to that incident.
At the corkscrew in Laguna Seca 08 and Jerez 2011? They were two mistakes, rather than calculated 'dirty' manoeuvres. He almost wiped himself out at the Corkscrew (and he did wipe himself out at Jerez!).
rezonator636
I bought it yesterday and skimmed through it after reading this latest thing from Valentino.
I never read sporting autobiographies no matter how interested I am in the subject and I don't think this book will change my approach. I don't think Casey and/or his ghost writer are any threat to my preferred sports writers, Damon Runyon and Norman Mailer and Hunter S Thompson in their ventures into sports writing. It does largely consist of self justification which I have mainly heard before, and hence not of particular interest even to me; what I thought was wrong with his ankle was true, it was a talar dome fracture.
He does what he always did though, and calls it as he sees it, and I don't think much of it can be called incorrect even objectively. He mainly criticises Rossi for dirty riding at Laguna seca 2008 and not otherwise, and says his concerns there were other than the corkscrew incident (which he was not happy about for other reasons, presumably because it was a riding error), and that Valentino largely rode brilliantly in the race . He says that Valentino's ambition exceeded his talent at Jerez 2011, not that it was a dirty move. His main complaint seems to be about that certain element among Valentino's fans, and Valentino's tacit approval of their attitude to him and Biaggi and Gibernau before him, and what he saw as arrogance regarding his efforts at Ducati from Valentino and JB prior to them going there.
I have not seen much evidence of him being disliked by other riders apart from Valentino and Abraham, and the same people who were arguing he and Jorge and Dani were too cosy seem to be the ones saying relationships are friendlier in the paddock now.
I bought it yesterday and skimmed through it after reading this latest thing from Valentino.
I never read sporting autobiographies no matter how interested I am in the subject and I don't think this book will change my approach. I don't think Casey and/or his ghost writer are any threat to my preferred sports writers, Damon Runyon and Norman Mailer and Hunter S Thompson in their ventures into sports writing. It does largely consist of self justification which I have mainly heard before, and hence not of particular interest even to me; what I thought was wrong with his ankle was true, it was a talar dome fracture.
He does what he always did though, and calls it as he sees it, and I don't think much of it can be called incorrect even objectively. He mainly criticises Rossi for dirty riding at Laguna seca 2008 and not otherwise, and says his concerns there were other than the corkscrew incident (which he was not happy about for other reasons, presumably because it was a riding error), and that Valentino largely rode brilliantly in the race . He says that Valentino's ambition exceeded his talent at Jerez 2011, not that it was a dirty move. His main complaint seems to be about that certain element among Valentino's fans, and Valentino's tacit approval of their attitude to him and Biaggi and Gibernau before him, and what he saw as arrogance regarding his efforts at Ducati from Valentino and JB prior to them going there.
I have not seen much evidence of him being disliked by other riders apart from Valentino and Abraham, and the same people who were arguing he and Jorge and Dani were too cosy seem to be the ones saying relationships are friendlier in the paddock now.
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michaelm
Don't forget, though, he also complained how he was treated by tire manufacturers, Ducati, the press, and everyone else in the book. I think his complaints are legit, btw (the press didn't start giving him his due until after he left Ducati, for example, and we all saw just what a magician he really was). The man speaks his mind, always has, but the way he does it rubs people the wrong way, even when he's right.
Don't forget, though, he also complained how he was treated by tire manufacturers, Ducati, the press, and everyone else in the book. I think his complaints are legit, btw (the press didn't start giving him his due until after he left Ducati, for example, and we all saw just what a magician he really was). The man speaks his mind, always has, but the way he does it rubs people the wrong way, even when he's right.
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