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Rossi making moves against Jarvis

povol said:
This kid had been laser focused on bikes since puberty. Now all of a sudden he has someone n his ear saying I need you to spend time with me, or this guy Fallon is taking advantage of you ,etc etc. On top of that you’re getting laid on a constant basis and like the article says , it only takes losing a tenth to go from hero to zero.
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Or it could be as simple as no more updates from Yamaha, so where would he be going without constant updates? Once the KTM deal was announced with Tech 3, that was the end for Tech 3's Yamaha's. The factory bikes are running well and have gotten progressively better as the season has gone along even if they aren't running perfectly. Would be interesting to see how the points table looked if Marquez wasn't involved. Yamaha 1-2. They can't beat Marquez, that's the factory's main problem. Electronics may get them closer but MM is in form so that's going to be difficult to overcome. Zarco was hung out to dry and will have to hope KTM has a competitive package which I think is doubtful.
 
JPSLotus said:
Or it could be as simple as no more updates from Yamaha, so where would he be going without constant updates? Once the KTM deal was announced with Tech 3, that was the end for Tech 3's Yamaha's. The factory bikes are running well and have gotten progressively better as the season has gone along even if they aren't running perfectly. Would be interesting to see how the points table looked if Marquez wasn't involved. Yamaha 1-2. They can't beat Marquez, that's the factory's main problem. Electronics may get them closer but MM is in form so that's going to be difficult to overcome. Zarco was hung out to dry and will have to hope KTM has a competitive package which I think is doubtful.
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No doubt that’s part of it, we have seen It to many times to discount. According to Hervé though, his entire mentality has changed
 
JPSLotus said:
Or it could be as simple as no more updates from Yamaha, so where would he be going without constant updates? Once the KTM deal was announced with Tech 3, that was the end for Tech 3's Yamaha's. The factory bikes are running well and have gotten progressively better as the season has gone along even if they aren't running perfectly. Would be interesting to see how the points table looked if Marquez wasn't involved. Yamaha 1-2. They can't beat Marquez, that's the factory's main problem. Electronics may get them closer but MM is in form so that's going to be difficult to overcome. Zarco was hung out to dry and will have to hope KTM has a competitive package which I think is doubtful.
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Tech 3 never got upgrades during the year, other than for Spies. I think Zarco got an even better starting package this year than last, IIRC (e.g. rev hike, input in testing, etc.).

He is getting beaten by Syahrin in a few sessions. I reckon there's something up, and Herve's words seem to suggest so.

Hope to see him back at the top ASAP.
 
RCV600RR said:
Tech 3 never got upgrades during the year, other than for Spies. I think Zarco got an even better starting package this year than last, IIRC (e.g. rev hike, input in testing, etc.).

He is getting beaten by Syahrin in a few sessions. I reckon there's something up, and Herve's words seem to suggest so.

Hope to see him back at the top ASAP.
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Zarco could just be one of those riders that now his future is secure and he knows he is on the move, his attitude and commitment are just no longer there. I thought he was better than that but maybe not.
Hopefully once he is onto factory machinery he is reinvigorated and back to his best. I haven't given up on him just yet.
 
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Deefer Dogg said:
Zarco could just be one of those riders that now his future is secure and he knows he is on the move, his attitude and commitment are just no longer there. I thought he was better than that but maybe not.
Hopefully once he is onto factory machinery he is reinvigorated and back to his best. I haven't given up on him just yet.
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Remember he did speak out against the great one earlier this year. I'd be willing to bet there's more going on than what Herve is saying.
 
evo9 said:
Remember he did speak out against the great one earlier this year. I'd be willing to bet there's more going on than what Herve is saying.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall that Zarco actually publicly denied that Rossi had opposed his tenure with Yamaha.
 
RCV600RR said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall that Zarco actually publicly denied that Rossi had opposed his tenure with Yamaha.
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Didn’t you know? Ever since that Rossi is remotely applying the brakes on Zarco’s bike every time they race!
 
synn said:
Didn’t you know? Ever since that Rossi is remotely applying the brakes on Zarco’s bike every time they race!
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It's illogical for Poncharal to go out of his way to criticize Zarco if somehow Rossi was screwing with Tech 3 (and even if he were - how would he do it? Tech 3 control the electronics, chassis, have sealed engines etc.)

I think we can discard that theory after a few seconds of analysis...
 
synn said:
Didn’t you know? Ever since that Rossi is remotely applying the brakes on Zarco’s bike every time they race!
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Yes, a silly conspiracy theory, much like the one in regard to MM tanking a race he actually won, thereby depriving Lorenzo of 5 points, to help JL win a title.
 
michaelm said:
Yes, a silly conspiracy theory, much like the one in regard to MM tanking a race he actually won, thereby depriving Lorenzo of 5 points, to help JL win a title.
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Does anyone on here actually think MM screwed with Rossi at PI? BTW, I rewatched PI 15 recently; MM was so far back going into the final lap and pulled out one of the all-time great laps to reel JL in.
 
RCV600RR said:
Does anyone on here actually think MM screwed with Rossi at PI? BTW, I rewatched PI 15 recently; MM was so far back going into the final lap and pulled out one of the all-time great laps to reel JL in.
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My point was more that Synn as an avowed Rossi partisan is not in a great position imo to accuse others of promulgating conspiracy theories. I am not as down on Rossi as I was at the end of the 2015 season, but he has never retreated from his narrative in regard to that PI race, and hence I continue to hold any conspiracy theorising on this small corner of the internet rather pales in comparison with Rossi's allegations to the world press at large.
 
michaelm said:
My point was more that Synn as an avowed Rossi partisan is not in a great position imo to accuse others of promulgating conspiracy theories. I am not as down on Rossi as I was at the end of the 2015 season, but he has never retreated from his narrative in regard to that PI race, and hence I continue to hold any conspiracy theorising on this small corner of the internet rather pales in comparison with Rossi's allegations to the world press at large.
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I see. But surely being a Rossi fan doesn't mean that one considers him beyond reproach?
 
Deefer Dogg said:
Zarco could just be one of those riders that now his future is secure and he knows he is on the move, his attitude and commitment are just no longer there. I thought he was better than that but maybe not.
Hopefully once he is onto factory machinery he is reinvigorated and back to his best. I haven't given up on him just yet.
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Factory machinery maybe..but a factory KTM?...sorry but he's never going to win on that..is it really the case that he turned down the chance of a repsol Honda to sign for KTM?..if so the guy's crazy in my opinion.
 
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RCV600RR said:
I see. But surely being a Rossi fan doesn't mean that one considers him beyond reproach?
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I don't have a problem with you including discussing matters concerning which we disagree which we have pretty much always managed to do courteously.

My point was really directed at Synn and others who are wont to cry conspiracy theory in regard to posters on here; as I said Rossi is the biggest conspiracy theorist in gp bike racing history of whom I am aware, so I don't think his partisans are in a great position to be sarcastic about posters on here wearing tinfoil hats..
 
michaelm said:
I don't have a problem with you including discussing matters concerning which we disagree which we have pretty much always managed to do courteously.

My point was really directed at Synn and others who are wont to cry conspiracy theory in regard to posters on here; as I said Rossi is the biggest conspiracy theorist in gp bike racing history of whom I am aware, so I don't think his partisans are in a great position to be sarcastic about posters on here wearing tinfoil hats..
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True, unless said partisans acknowledge that PI15 was an unfounded accusation, right?
 
RCV600RR said:
True, unless said partisans acknowledge that PI15 was an unfounded accusation, right?
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As I said, I have little or no problem with you personally or your views, to which you are fully entitled and which you defend well and largely without rancour.

My own belief/opinion with which you no doubt disagree is that it is open season for conspiracy theories while Rossi and Uccio hold to theirs, not that I necessarily agree with all or even most of the conspiracy theories on here.
 
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michaelm said:
My point was more that Synn as an avowed Rossi partisan is not in a great position imo to accuse others of promulgating conspiracy theories. I am not as down on Rossi as I was at the end of the 2015 season, but he has never retreated from his narrative in regard to that PI race, and hence I continue to hold any conspiracy theorising on this small corner of the internet rather pales in comparison with Rossi's allegations to the world press at large.
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I have never once talked about a Marquez- Lorenzo conspiracy.
Prove me wrong, Mitchell. You’re on here 23 hours a day, search my posts and find one where I said so.
 

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