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Something you need to consider that if Doohan and Rossi ever did race together then Burgess would have been in Micks garage.
 
AntG said:
Something you need to consider that if Doohan and Rossi ever did race together then Burgess would have been in Micks garage.
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IIRC as well it was Burgess that made sure that Rossi's bike didn't go down the same development path that Criville did and made sure it didn't have the same problems.
 
p4p1 said:
IIRC as well it was Burgess that made sure that Rossi's bike didn't go down the same development path that Criville did and made sure it didn't have the same problems.
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I think they were beset early on with the same dud factory bike Criville and crew produced with no Burgess and Doohan to develop a bike for him, then HRC let Rossi and Burgess take their own direction mid season when the official factory team effort was foundering badly. Iirc Burgess has said that if Rossi and he had been allowed to follow their own path from the getgo Valentino would quite likely have won as a rookie.
 
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michaelm said:
No he wasn’t.

The “what if’s” were mostly about Biaggi iirc (I am not sure why, it was never in doubt from my point of view watching the season), but the facts are that he beat Biaggi by 52 points and Criville by 62 in 1998, the year he turned 33, a season in which he had 3 retirements/dnfs. All his titles were of course on one leg after nearly losing the other one, as opposed to Valentino who has remained commendably mostly healthy, a testament to his skill and intelligence and the longevity of his riding style as I have said.

I think Valentino is better than Ago and probably better than Doohan, and also that it is not unreasonable to extrapolate that Rossi riding as he does now with 25 year old reflexes would be faster, but you can’t take those late career titles won by Ago and Doohan away from them, and Rossi himself seems to have been chasing the 8th title which was Ago’s crowning achievement rather avidly for almost a decade now.
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Rossi's luck finished in 2010. After that big injury, I still think he should have either retired or stayed at Yamaha to try and beat Lorenzo and fight against Stoner on the Honda. His big mistake was to go to Ducati. With hindsight, an even bigger mistake might have been to leave Ducati... With another two years, in 2015 he would have finally seen the light. There is little doubt he could do what Dovi, and now Lorenzo, do on the Ducati.
 
J4rn0 said:
Rossi's luck finished in 2010. After that big injury, I still think he should have either retired or stayed at Yamaha to try and beat Lorenzo and fight against Stoner on the Honda. His big mistake was to go to Ducati. With hindsight, an even bigger mistake might have been to leave Ducati... With another two years, in 2015 he would have finally seen the light. There is little doubt he could do what Dovi, and now Lorenzo, do on the Ducati.
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IM surprised no one in the media has posed that question to him.
Vale, now that the Ducati is the best bike on the grid, do you have any regrets not sticking it out and do you think you could win the title on it.?
 
J4rn0 said:
Rossi's luck finished in 2010. After that big injury, I still think he should have either retired or stayed at Yamaha to try and beat Lorenzo and fight against Stoner on the Honda. His big mistake was to go to Ducati. With hindsight, an even bigger mistake might have been to leave Ducati... With another two years, in 2015 he would have finally seen the light. There is little doubt he could do what Dovi, and now Lorenzo, do on the Ducati.
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I have always wondered how much that first major injury affected him, although he appeared undiminished in the late season victory in 2010 after returning from the injury, which is why as with the first year of Lorenzo's own Ducati adventure it was silly for people to write him off.

I actually said on this forum at the time that if anyone could fix the Ducati he and Burgess were the guys who could do it, but that I strongly suspected even they wouldn't be able to do so without a major re-design of the bike.

If he had actually won the 2015 title I think he and everyone else would have counted the Yamaha return as being the right move, but now that you mention it at this point in time sticking with Ducati and bringing the bike back to competitiveness would have been better for his legacy/legend, particularly if he had won a title. He would still have needed to alter his riding style as Lorenzo has done, and imo would have trouble doing so now at rising 40 years of age, but sure there is no reason he couldn't have been able to do so when he was Lorenzo's current age.
 
J4rn0 said:
Rossi's luck finished in 2010. After that big injury, I still think he should have either retired or stayed at Yamaha to try and beat Lorenzo and fight against Stoner on the Honda. His big mistake was to go to Ducati. With hindsight, an even bigger mistake might have been to leave Ducati... With another two years, in 2015 he would have finally seen the light. There is little doubt he could do what Dovi, and now Lorenzo, do on the Ducati.
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Ducati wouldn’t have entrusted Gigi to revamp their Motogp program if Rossi and then Crashy abandoned ship.
 
gpfullrace said:
Rossi is legendary :d
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He can simultaneously be a legend and not the best choice as lead rider for the factory Yamaha team at age rising 40. Agostini, Lawson and Roberts are also legends but don’t ride in MotoGP for Yamaha any more.
 
Given Valentino’s habit of using mind games with his fellow racers, I’d be guessing he’s trying to lull others into thinking he’s weak and vulnerable at the moment.
Marc, Jorge and Dovi aren’t the type to fall for any kiddums though. They won’t be taking him for granted and will race him hard.
 
yamfan said:
Given Valentino’s habit of using mind games with his fellow racers, I’d be guessing he’s trying to lull others into thinking he’s weak and vulnerable at the moment.
Marc, Jorge and Dovi aren’t the type to fall for any kiddums though. They won’t be taking him for granted and will race him hard.
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MM apart from his general character and ability has something rather difficult to address with mind games, namely a 59 point lead inn the championship.

Sure he might be trying it on with Dovi and Lorenzo whom he leads currently, but as you say they are unlikely to fall for them, particularly Jorge who is pretty much playing with house money for the rest of this season.
 
Taking an underdog bike to the championship is not unheard of, it’s happened three times in the last 6 years. The 16 Honda was sitting n the same spot Yamaha is today, couldn’t out accelerate the Suzuki , no whining, no blame,just kept plugging and won a title. Rossi is giving up and forewarning his fans to blame Yamaha. This legendary mental toughness we have been forced to ingest has taken a beating the last 7 years. He quit on Ducati after half a season and he is quitting on Yamaha for the second time. Bottom line is , if Vale doesn’t have a competitive advantage be it machine or tires, he quits, lays the blame at someone else’s feet be it a teammate , an opponent or his employer and the sheep lap that .... up like honey.
 
povol said:
Taking an underdog bike to the championship is not unheard of, it’s happened three times in the last 6 years. The 16 Honda was sitting n the same spot Yamaha is today, couldn’t out accelerate the Suzuki , no whining, no blame,just kept plugging and won a title. Rossi is giving up and forewarning his fans to blame Yamaha. This legendary mental toughness we have been forced to ingest has taken a beating the last 7 years. He quit on Ducati after half a season and he is quitting on Yamaha for the second time. Bottom line is , if Vale doesn’t have a competitive advantage be it machine or tires, he quits, lays the blame at someone else’s feet be it a teammate , an opponent or his employer and the sheep lap that .... up like honey.
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You must be great fun of parties.
If they had parties for one.
 
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MigsAngel said:
I've said several times on this forum....I think the plan for Rossi's VR46 organization has been to take over and for Rossi himself to run the Yamaha factory team not a satellite one....if that article is true then maybe these are first moves toward that goal....

Keep in mind Rossi has a sense of GP history, and he wants to match or break any record he can....his riding days are nearly over so he has to look toward the next of his life in GPs and records books.....that has to be in my view as a team manager and winning titles like King Kenny (Factory Yamaha team manager)...but try to win more titles than KRSR as team manager.....
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Nah! I recon Rossi wants to remane MotoGP to RossiGP.
 

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