[Rossi]..."at bottom of the slope." Doohan

2 wheeled panzer commander · Apr 18, 2011

lil red rocket pilot said:
Point A is what i thought the reason was myself. TBH. However the subject came up whilst we were chatting about photography & the photos I,d taken of their boys.

So I was just relaying what had been said to me by two peeps inside moto gp.

I suppose we shall just have to agree to disagree on the subject. However if in the future the said reason I posted is proven wrong then you shall be the first I apologise to.

Theres enough mud slinging on here without me getting involved. Im here for the love of the sport not to argue with folk

i also think that it would be a tadge to hot as well . and i'm not just talking about the riders but also the spectators sat out all day would be like sitting on the surface of the sun. as for the time of showing they are only an hour ahead of central europe . and the sand storm thing is pure bollocks they happen weather its night or day.

Tom · Apr 18, 2011

This doesn't seem like much of a story to me, Doohan isn't saying Rossi is finished or that he has reached the end of his winning days, just that he now has a much harder job than he used to if he is to continue winning. That is something we all know is true.

ptk50 · Apr 18, 2011

Tom said:
This doesn't seem like much of a story to me, Doohan isn't saying Rossi is finished or that he has reached the end of his winning days, just that he now has a much harder job than he used to if he is to continue winning. That is something we all know is true.

That's really impossible to disagree with - and I'm looking forward to watching him try for another "couple or so" years

chopperman · Apr 19, 2011

Doohan stating the obvious again

rossiofsky · Apr 29, 2011

Jumkie said:
So Mick thinks Rossi is at the bottom of the slope. I fully expect Rossi's fans to jump all over him, as they do when ever somebody has suggested Rossi is close to done. I'm sure they will remain consistent in their chastising of people who have suggested Rossi is at the tail end of his career, and too old to cut it. Or, maybe this time, they will use it as a justification for his recent struggling? Let the spin begin...

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For the record, I totally disagree with this assessment. Rossi is till very much at the top of his own game, same hunger, same self-confidence, same aggressive tactics, same talent as before, and great health; not to mention, God knows he's still has all the support resources in the world to compete at the highest level.

How will some answer this conundrum? Is he struggling because he has lost talent? Then maybe Stoner was correct in his assessment which reflects Doohan's words here. Rossi managed to win and podium regularly when he came back from leg injury (which has for all intents and purposes, has completely healed, as nobody had made any mention of it) but while suffering from a shoulder injury. However, it has since been repaired and near completely on the mend (even according to Rossi himself). Yet he is struggling with the Ducati in the dry and taking people out in the wet, seems rather sudden to have lost so much "talent" in as little as a few months if you consider he took Yamaha to the podium in the season finale. Which is why I believe he still has all the talent he had last year and the year before that, but a great bike masked his real abilities. How will Doohan's comments be received, on one thread, his word about the crash are gold, but here he seems to say Rossi's talent is at the tale end, giving credence to the linear relationship of 'ambition over talent' that Stoner cited.

I especially liked this comment, as it reminds me of a few members (I won't name any names). But perhaps a particular boy-band brand of fan is starting to leave the spectators masses, as this time more disagreed than agreed. Granted still half agreed with this comment below:

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I find this one last night at motogp.com:

Marca: Doohan believes Rossi’s era may have ended

Monday, 11 April 2011

In quotes published by Spanish daily Marca, five-times 500cc World Champion Mick Doohan states his opinion that he thinks Rossi “will find it tough to be MotoGP World Champion again, despite being a great rider” and that his career will not be “a downhill ride any more”.

Doohan commented: “He's in his 12th season at the elite level so it doesn't get any easier, especially after you've had that success. I'm not saying that his career's over, but it's not a downhill ride any more. He is a great rider, there’s no other way of saying it. I think in any sport, you've only really got a decade to totally immerse yourself in the top of a sport.”

From what i remember from last gp, you were saying these guys (ex riders) are affraid and shy to say what they think (when a few of them said the opposite of what you and Stoner thought about marshals and the Rossi, Stoner incident) , because that may upsets Rossi or his fans. What this means now? that he is again sharing his opinion as he thinks, and you were wrong then.

This is a simple comment and there isn't any disrespectful thing in it. Rossi is getting older and his rivals are getting more experienced, so this will be inevitable. maybe it's better for you to say again that these guys are affraid to say whats is in their mind.

Rossi_fan · May 3, 2011

I can't believe the crap in this thread.

Rossi goes to Ducati a year before the 1000cc engine change. This gives him the opportunity to have input and develop the new bike to his liking. Ducati knows how to make a 1000cc bike, if you doubt that you're wrong. Rossi is willing to call this year a scratch in order to win next year and the year after that. Then he'll retire with back to back world titles, cementing his place as the G.O.A.T.

Think it over and tell me it doesn't make sense.

Yamaha wasn't going to let Jorge go. Rossi knew this and probably knew that the development of the Yamaha 1000cc would be more focused on Jorge than him. That's just business. If he doesn't win the title next year I'll eat my words, but if he does I'll be the first to come on here and say "I told you so."

Rossi_fan · May 3, 2011

I can't believe the crap in this thread.

Rossi goes to Ducati a year before the 1000cc engine change. This gives him the opportunity to have input and develop the new bike to his liking. Ducati knows how to make a 1000cc bike, if you doubt that you're wrong. Rossi is willing to call this year a scratch in order to win next year and the year after that. Then he'll retire with back to back world titles, cementing his place as the G.O.A.T.

Think it over and tell me it doesn't make sense.

Yamaha wasn't going to let Jorge go. Rossi knew this and probably knew that the development of the Yamaha 1000cc would be more focused on Jorge than him. That's just business. If he doesn't win the title next year I'll eat my words, but if he does I'll be the first to come on here and say "I told you so."

michaelm · May 3, 2011

rossiofsky said:
I find this one last night at motogp.com:

Marca: Doohan believes Rossi’s era may have ended

Monday, 11 April 2011

In quotes published by Spanish daily Marca, five-times 500cc World Champion Mick Doohan states his opinion that he thinks Rossi “will find it tough to be MotoGP World Champion again, despite being a great rider” and that his career will not be “a downhill ride any more”.

Doohan commented: “He's in his 12th season at the elite level so it doesn't get any easier, especially after you've had that success. I'm not saying that his career's over, but it's not a downhill ride any more. He is a great rider, there’s no other way of saying it. I think in any sport, you've only really got a decade to totally immerse yourself in the top of a sport.”

From what i remember from last gp, you were saying these guys (ex riders) are affraid and shy to say what they think (when a few of them said the opposite of what you and Stoner thought about marshals and the Rossi, Stoner incident) , because that may upsets Rossi or his fans. What this means now? that he is again sharing his opinion as he thinks, and you were wrong then.

This is a simple comment and there isn't any disrespectful thing in it. Rossi is getting older and his rivals are getting more experienced, so this will be inevitable. maybe it's better for you to say again that these guys are affraid to say whats is in their mind.

This would seem to be the same comment/interview that started the thread, presumably now translated into spanish and published in the spanish press.

Arrabbiata1 · May 4, 2011

Rossi_fan said:
I can't believe the crap in this thread.

Rossi goes to Ducati a year before the 1000cc engine change. This gives him the opportunity to have input and develop the new bike to his liking. Ducati knows how to make a 1000cc bike, if you doubt that you're wrong. Rossi is willing to call this year a scratch in order to win next year and the year after that. Then he'll retire with back to back world titles, cementing his place as the G.O.A.T.

Think it over and tell me it doesn't make sense.

Yamaha wasn't going to let Jorge go. Rossi knew this and probably knew that the development of the Yamaha 1000cc would be more focused on Jorge than him. That's just business. If he doesn't win the title next year I'll eat my words, but if he does I'll be the first to come on here and say "I told you so."

Right I've thought it over for all of seven and a half seconds, then I got bored. But that was sufficicient time to conclude that...no you don't make sense

I can't believe some of the crap you've just posted.

'Rossi_fan' - no bias there then.

Don't flatter yourself. Many members on here including myself have posted the opinion that the Valentino/Ducati combination win be indominatable from next season. Read other posts and threads properly before you start spouting off as the font of knowledge that you so obviously are not. Don't think that 2011 was seen as purely a development year. Despite Rossi's cautious pre-test rhetoric he arrived at Ducati to achieve exactly what he did at Yamaha inheriting a bike that CS could demonstrably win races on.

GOAT - quite possibly, but we will never know. It is a much qualitative as it is quantitative in my view. Read the history books, understand the context of each era; the prevailing machinery, brakes, tyres, competition differing classes, and circuits before you enable comparisons. It cannot be reduced simply to numbers alone. For many, this championship started in 1996 not 1949 - and most weren't even around in '96.

When/if Vale does become back to back World Champion with Ducati I fully expect thousands of similar Rossi monikered clones such as yourself to come teeming out of the woodwork bombarding this forum with 'told you so' rants and self congratulatory jump on the bandwagon ......... I will meanwhile quietly smile in admiration of the man as a racer, and silently savour the memories his remarkable achievements throughout his career.

Where Valentino is concerned, one genuinely runs out of superlatives....

.....it'd be nice if members like you could do the same once in a while.

Now scurry off back under your little yellow rock and into hibernation.

bigbang · May 4, 2011

Rossi_fan said:
Rossi is willing to call this year a scratch in order to win next year and the year after that.

I don't believe this for a second. Rossi is probably quite desperate to at least replicate Stoner's result on the same bike.

Rossi_fan said:
Yamaha wasn't going to let Jorge go. Rossi knew this and probably knew that the development of the Yamaha 1000cc would be more focused on Jorge than him.

Why on earth would Yamaha focus more on Jorge than him? Before Rossi decided to join Ducati he was doing most of the development at Yamaha and since it worked well it's highly unlikely that Yamaha would have switch the focus more on Jorge than him.

J4rn0 · May 4, 2011

bigbang said:
I don't believe this for a second. Rossi is probably quite desperate to at least replicate Stoner's result on the same bike.

Why on earth would Yamaha focus more on Jorge than him? Before Rossi decided to join Ducati he was doing most of the development at Yamaha and since it worked well it's highly unlikely that Yamaha would have switch the focus more on Jorge than him.

That's impossible as there is only 14 GP's left for these bikes. I think Rossi would be very happy to win 3 or 4 GP's this year. He will never come close to Casey's achievements on the Desmo16 800 -- 24 wins and 1 title.

Stoner will be forever the most successful rider on the Duck 800. You just can't touch him.

Yamaha could never have ignored that Lorenzo was the new World Champion and would have been obliged to acknowledge his new #1 status. Rossi would never have stayed on after losing the title to Lorenzo, in the shadow of a very ambitious and strong "New King of MotoGP". Staying on just to do development for Lorenzo? Nahhh.

stop_killing_dead_things · May 4, 2011

Arrabbiata1 said:
'Rossi_fan' - no bias there then.

I havent read most of the posts on this thread but thats funny, you kinda lose any authority with names like that.

Tom · May 4, 2011

bigbang said:
I don't believe this for a second. Rossi is probably quite desperate to at least replicate Stoner's result on the same bike.

I would be extremely surprised if Rossi falls lower than 4th overall at the end of this season, and he should win a few races too. I agree though that both Rossi and Ducati will try extremely hard this year to claw back to the top

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