You are a very reasonable poster woody, but some or many of your predecessors on that side of the argument were not so, and I think some in retribution are applying the same standards this year as were applied to stoner in the past, ie no excuse of any kind was valid, and in fact warranted him being vilified as a whinger with imaginary health issues, and imaginary bike issues for that matter
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You are a very reasonable poster woody, but some or many of your predecessors on that side of the argument were not so, and I think some in retribution are applying the same standards this year as were applied to stoner in the past, ie no excuse of any kind was valid, and in fact warranted him being vilified as a whinger with imaginary health issues, and imaginary bike issues for that matter
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I am glad I've at least made it too something of use and that is a source of pleasure .......
I still view you as an arsehole ........... no pleasure there
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You are a very reasonable poster woody, but some or many of your predecessors on that side of the argument were not so, and I think some in retribution are applying the same standards this year as were applied to stoner in the past, ie no excuse of any kind was valid, and in fact warranted him being vilified as a whinger with imaginary health issues, and imaginary bike issues for that matter.
Yes there is a little retribution going on and my early posts certainly didn't give Stoner any slack so I've probably done my share of feeding that retribution. My view of Stoner hasn't changed much, I do have a better appreciation of his riding skills though.
I am sure that if Rossi and Stoner were on the same Yamaha or Honda, it would be a fight to the death, not Stoner riding away from Rossi. Remember Phillip Island 2009 - Stoner and Rossi sliding both bikes in a similar style lap after lap. Rossi wasn't outclassed and Phillip Island does tend to favour the Ducatis as Hayden does better there as well as Stoner.
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With due respect, U can throw all the rationalizations u want at it to make u feel better, it wont make Rossis performance on Stoners bike any more impressive. We r all quite away of the white enormous elephant in the room. Ducati is in a frenzy trying to recreate the invention known as the motorcycle. U and J4rno can choose to believe the Italians hav decided to twiddle their thumbs. What exactly do u think Corse has done in 5+ months?
Regarding his health, Only Rossi has been given the benefit of injury, and by proxy, u guys been talking up Pedrosas (whos managed to score two podiums running). Wher were all of u when Stoner had a wrist injury that wouldnt heal (and had to sunsequently get a bone graf)? Should we go back and offset all his performances and advance them forward a few tenths per lap (like u, J4no, & Talps hav suggested)? How about Nickys arm/hand last year? At season end he went in for surgery. Did u know? Prob not, bcuz he wasnt using it as an excuse every five minutes. But it was going numb, u know, like Pedrosas. Oh, and he lost strength, like Rossi is saying. But It was a blip on the sites. No major write ups on all the normal sites. I should know, i looked. We didnt hav write ups showcasing other riders who had career ending injuries on the same general 'body part' for u guys to rationalize like we've had for Rossi. Off top of my head i remember two suddenly highlighting a prominent rider with "shoulder" injury. Was it a major news story when Nicky visited his doc to open him up? Ren, name one MotoGP rider not recovering from injury please. Should i start listing them for u? Once u start to compare them, a rational person will understand Rossi is just one of several riders dealing with discomfort, and not any more serious. Ive never heard a rider assign an actual lap time offset for injury as ive heard Rossi. How completely ridiculous! Did Stoner ever say, my wrist is costing me 3 tenths a lap? U guys would hav gone bonkers (mayb not u personally, but Jesus, u could imagine) starting threads titled: Stoner whines about his wrist, etc. Do some homework. Search Kropos site for answers as to why they changed Stoners seat position on his bike. U'll b surprised.
Anyway, so when is Rossis shoulder suppose to b 100%? (Its no longer enuf for riders injuries to be only partially healed--like everybody else.) Do u think Rossi will ever declare its now healled completely? Haha, i know u guys. Even if he does, and later has subpar performance, i look forward to u guys saying, 'well i know the shoulder is still bothering him even though he wont admit it, what a trooper.'
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Quatar cannot hold a day race because usually in the daytime there are sandstorms move in from the desert. Harry staffords dad was telling me this in the paddock at Jerez. so it has to be a night race. Young Harry also said running under the lights was better than running in the daytime because the light was consistant ie no sun glare on some corners & none on others
Sorry that I'm posting this again but this is how I feel....and its not because STONER is Australian its because how it is in motogp....STONER is A ‘LEGEND’ A MASTER OF HIS ETERNITY he dosnt use traction ABS and allthat as matter of a fact he hates all that....HIS MASTERFUL SKILLS ARE JUST THAT and please don’t tell me that he dosen;’t master his skill of riding the motogp bikes in any shape or form!!! or be it if he was on a motocross or be it on whatever...the guy IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IN motogp & there are lots more that are the same as him and have the same talet ...we don’t want to see guys that go around the track with supermarket trolleys (god rest his soul that is what Barry Sheen always use to say...hahaaa) we want to see real RACERS with none of the ........ that is going around these days!!!
We want to see elbow grease knee rubbing excitement with wove and lots of racing controversy but not like we have had with ROSSI who’s a fool and a would be!!!
Lets get back to the basics and then and ONLY then we will have good and exciting competitive racing like we had in the 70’s 80’s 90’s and after that period we had the ROSSI bandwagon (yes it was saterical and great with Biaggi...but???) of theatrics that lead to a complete and utter ROSSI ...........and that is where we are now...and if anyone dares to criticise or have a go at ROSSI then he’s the devil but really we have to GO ON AND MATURE PAST THE ROSSI ........ era!!! Because otherwise we will be dead and motogp will be dead!!! Thank you!!!
We want to see elbow grease knee rubbing excitement with wove and lots of racing controversy but not like we have had with ROSSI who’s a fool and a would be!!!
Lets get back to the basics and then and ONLY then we will have good and exciting competitive racing like we had in the 70’s 80’s 90’s and after that period we had the ROSSI bandwagon (yes it was saterical and great with Biaggi...but???) of theatrics that lead to a complete and utter ROSSI ...........and that is where we are now...and if anyone dares to criticise or have a go at ROSSI then he’s the devil but really we have to GO ON AND MATURE PAST THE ROSSI ........ era!!! Because otherwise we will be dead and motogp will be dead!!! Thank you!!!
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Quatar cannot hold a day race because usually in the daytime there are sandstorms move in from the desert. Harry staffords dad was telling me this in the paddock at Jerez. so it has to be a night race. Young Harry also said running under the lights was better than running in the daytime because the light was consistant ie no sun glare on some corners & none on others
Wrong. Harry Stafford's dad is just making this .... up off the top of his head.
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Now that this thread has covered just about every hypothetical bike rider combo we can come up with, and who would do what on each, here is my simple answer to the question.
No, Rossi is not at the bottom of the slope, he is the 3rd best rider in the world at the moment, regardless of where he is in points.
No, Rossi is not at the bottom of the slope, he is the 3rd best rider in the world at the moment, regardless of where he is in points.
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I am glad I've at least made it too something of use and that is a source of pleasure .......
I still view you as an arsehole ........... no pleasure there
So you're saying, contrary to ....., cocks are a source of pleasure for you?
Sorry BM! This was just to easy, couldn't resist it.
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Thanks.....that made me laugh just as much as any of Talpas previous posts....good work
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With due respect, U can throw all the rationalizations u want at it to make u feel better, it wont make Rossis performance on Stoners bike any more impressive. We r all quite away of the white enormous elephant in the room. Ducati is in a frenzy trying to recreate the invention known as the motorcycle. U and J4rno can choose to believe the Italians hav decided to twiddle their thumbs. What exactly do u think Corse has done in 5+ months?
Regarding his health, Only Rossi has been given the benefit of injury, and by proxy, u guys been talking up Pedrosas (whos managed to score two podiums running). Wher were all of u when Stoner had a wrist injury that wouldnt heal (and had to sunsequently get a bone graf)? Should we go back and offset all his performances and advance them forward a few tenths per lap (like u, J4no, & Talps hav suggested)? How about Nickys arm/hand last year? At season end he went in for surgery. Did u know? Prob not, bcuz he wasnt using it as an excuse every five minutes. But it was going numb, u know, like Pedrosas. Oh, and he lost strength, like Rossi is saying. But It was a blip on the sites. No major write ups on all the normal sites. I should know, i looked. We didnt hav write ups showcasing other riders who had career ending injuries on the same general 'body part' for u guys to rationalize like we've had for Rossi. Off top of my head i remember two suddenly highlighting a prominent rider with "shoulder" injury. Was it a major news story when Nicky visited his doc to open him up? Ren, name one MotoGP rider not recovering from injury please. Should i start listing them for u? Once u start to compare them, a rational person will understand Rossi is just one of several riders dealing with discomfort, and not any more serious. Ive never heard a rider assign an actual lap time offset for injury as ive heard Rossi. How completely ridiculous! Did Stoner ever say, my wrist is costing me 3 tenths a lap? U guys would hav gone bonkers (mayb not u personally, but Jesus, u could imagine) starting threads titled: Stoner whines about his wrist, etc. Do some homework. Search Kropos site for answers as to why they changed Stoners seat position on his bike. U'll b surprised.
Anyway, so when is Rossis shoulder suppose to b 100%? (Its no longer enuf for riders injuries to be only partially healed--like everybody else.) Do u think Rossi will ever declare its now healled completely? Haha, i know u guys. Even if he does, and later has subpar performance, i look forward to u guys saying, 'well i know the shoulder is still bothering him even though he wont admit it, what a trooper.'
I am not saying Rossi is the only rider recuperating from injury. Let's not side step from the real matter we are debating.
1. Do you agree at Qatar 2010 Stoner was fully healthy?
2. Do you agree at Qatar 2011 Rossi wasn't fully healthy?
If the answer to both the questions is yes, then injury is a variable that needs to be accounted when comparing their speeds. (For the championship I agree that injury is not an excuse and for the record, I will not discredit the 2011 champ by Rossi-was-injured excuse).
Another comparison could be with their team mates. Nicky was at Ducati in 2010 and 2011. If you compare the best laps from both Stoner and Rossi inyears 2010 and 2011 respectively to that of the Hayden, you will find them to be pretty much similar
Diff Stoner-Hayden in 2010 - 0.62 sec
Diff Rossi - Hayden in 2011 - 0.55 sec
And regarding Nicky or any other rider recovering from injury, you don't hear about their injuries is because of
1. Most people are interested in comparing only the speeds of the alines /would-be-aliens. The two most discussed comparisons are Rossi-Stoner and Stoner-Pedro. All three riders are part of the alien group and have ridden the same bike or very similar bike to the other rider which makes the comparisons more interesting.
2. Journo's write what people want to read. So it's no wonder you don't get to hear about Aoyama's vertebrae or Hayden's wrist or Randy's broken leg etc
Probably I wasn't here at that time. But, as I said above, I don't discredit anyone's championship based on his rivals injury (I never posted any discredit to JLs 2010 championship). But comparing lap times/speed is a different matter. In 2008, I think there was no speed comparison of Rossi and Stoner on the same bike as obviously they were on different bikes.
I would strongly object you having a black & white view of all Rossi fans (even though you say that's not the case, when someone argues with you regards to Stoner, you tend to paint all Rossi fans in yellow)
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Yes mine is a source of pleasure for me, but probably not in the way you seemed to have latched on to ........ I didn't think you were a bopper
You don't "liaise" with women for their pleasure alone do you
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Well thats funny Kesh because at the time Nial Mackenzie. Taylor Mackenzies dad was stood there agreeing with him.
We had quite a good chat on the subject.
So I know whom Im gonna believe and it aint you
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Well thats funny Kesh because at the time Nial Mackenzie. Taylor Mackenzies dad was stood there agreeing with him.
We had quite a good chat on the subject.
So I know whom Im gonna believe and it aint you
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Well thats funny Kesh because at the time Nial Mackenzie. Taylor Mackenzies dad was stood there agreeing with him.
We had quite a good chat on the subject.
So I know whom Im gonna believe and it aint you
It's been state categorically by the owners and promoters of the track that the two main
reasons for making it a night race - were:
A. Time; allowing the race to be watched live at a more commercially viable time for broadcast networks
B. Because of the novelty of a race at night.
There have been many races for both cars and bikes at Qatar and none have ever been known to be hindered by
sand storms.
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Point A is what i thought the reason was myself. TBH. However the subject came up whilst we were chatting about photography & the photos I,d taken of their boys.
So I was just relaying what had been said to me by two peeps inside moto gp.
I suppose we shall just have to agree to disagree on the subject. However if in the future the said reason I posted is proven wrong then you shall be the first I apologise to.
Theres enough mud slinging on here without me getting involved. Im here for the love of the sport not to argue with folk
