Rossi: 800cc THE biggest mistake for 15 years

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heyhuub @ Sep 19 2009, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another point is the sound imo.

Too put it bluntly.... the 800's sound like .... compared to the 990's and the 500's. Every bike has the same raspy noise to them except the Yamaha's and Kawa which have a little more base because of the inline config.

true and untrue...

the bikes are not that loud, but some are MUCH louder than other! the ducatis are WAY louder than the fiat yamahas e.g.

but when we were in brno first time (2006) we just couldnt sit there without earplugs! impossible without a damage to the ear where we sat. now it hurts but its possible...the new sound is higher....the sound of the 990s gave us shivers....800 cc...well nice but not more.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 19 2009, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess the difference is that most of you guys just want to see a big engine slide around a track, where i'm more interested in seeing riders chase a thin edge of perfection where the penalty for getting it wrong is big. Thats why i have enjoyed the 500's and 800's more than the 990's. Good looking out by the way with the average winners per season, with 2006 the usual anomaly things are basically the same now. I know i'm in a minority here but opinions are opinions and i'm pretty happy enjoying the present while you guys ..... and complain that things aren't good enough compared to the past. You might consider yourselfes to be 'right' but i'm probably enjoying this season more than you Take it easy guys

You prefer perfectionism over style, creativity, and innovation. Not to sound vain or obsessed with aesthetics, but that's plain disgusting, Tom.

MotoGP is not an ISO-9001 certification.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 20 2009, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You prefer perfectionism over style, creativity, and innovation. Not to sound vain or obsessed with aesthetics, but that's plain disgusting, Tom.

MotoGP is not an ISO-9001 certification.
You go LEX

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 19 2009, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess the difference is that most of you guys just want to see a big engine slide around a track, where i'm more interested in seeing riders chase a thin edge of perfection where the penalty for getting it wrong is big. Thats why i have enjoyed the 500's and 800's more than the 990's. Good looking out by the way with the average winners per season, with 2006 the usual anomaly things are basically the same now. I know i'm in a minority here but opinions are opinions and i'm pretty happy enjoying the present while you guys ..... and complain that things aren't good enough compared to the past. You might consider yourselfes to be 'right' but i'm probably enjoying this season more than you Take it easy guys

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 19 2009, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are miles away from me for sure, but i don't think for a second its 'ahead'. If you understood or remembered correctly, i said that Rossi was past his best. I also said that he remains one of the, clear best riders in the world and that is testiment to just how good he was while at his best (2005). It really isn't difficult

And that is a contradiction to what I said in what way? And I'm slow so please take it point by point because to me it look identical.
After all, I must assume that you put this down to a trend generated by age, right?
It's pretty safe to assume that this get worse by the years, not? And a downward trend must at some time show it self in the results and it's been a few years now where he first lost a couple of championship and then came back and took one his most dominating victories and now he is on his way to the next. And all this is done on a continuous downward slope?
One must be allowed to ask when this downward slope show a man unable to adapt and unable to fight the young forces pressing on, and we've been waiting four years now to see if you were right and as in so many other cases I'd say you have been proven you are well and truly wrong, at least you can say that Rossi him self proved you wrong.
You just go on theorizing on how he IS ( and has been for four years) on that downward slope but still being miles ahead of the competition, but reality bites and you just got a good example of that

But then again, don't take this from a slow, stupid board member try this for size:
<<Valentino Rossi’s legendary crew chief Jerry Burgess believes the reigning world champion is riding better than ever in 2009.>>
But then again, what would JB know about that.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 19 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You are miles away from me for sure, but i don't think for a second its 'ahead'. If you understood or remembered correctly, <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%i said that Rossi was past his best. I also said that he remains one of the, clear best riders in the world and that is testiment to just how good he was while at his best (2005). It really isn't difficult

So being it easy as you put it Tom, and stating that Rossi is <span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'Past his best', I'll like to ask you some questions:

1.- It has been said several times that Rossi had never gotten 'Real Competition' until Stoner, Pedrosa and Lorenzo. If Rossi is winning today, it means he is winning against the 'Real Competition' he never had before, and for the first time ('IF' because I think Rossi has had ‘As great’ or ‘Greater’ Competition in the Past, Pedrosa is fast but for me he is not really Competition as was Gibernau). Doesn't this make Rossi's 'Best' ever?

2.- It has been said several times that Rossi never had to Race against any Great Rider 'On the Same Conditions' (Same Team, same Bike, same Tyres, similar Riding Style, more or less same Setup) until Lorenzo. If Rossi is winning today, it means he is winning against the 'Same Conditions' he never had before, and for the first time. Doesn't this make Rossi's 'Best' ever?

3.- It has been said several times that Rossi always raced with 'Over night Specials' until the One Tyre Rule. If Rossi is winning today, it means he is winning on the 'Same Tyres' as never before, by the way, without his preferred 'Extra Hard' type of tyres. Doesn't this make Rossi's 'Best' ever?

4.- The whole 'Rules' have been changed towards more 'Equality' trying to even up Competition. If Rossi is winning today, it means he is winning against the 'Rule Changes' and having to adapt to great changes all the time. Doesn't this make Rossi's 'Best' ever?

5.- It has been said by Burgess that he "believes the reigning world champion (Rossi) is riding better than ever in 2009". Burgess may be one of the most reliable information sources in the Paddock. Doesn't this make Rossi's 'Best' ever?

6.- Rossi keeps breaking 'Records' from the Top of 'All Times Best', which keeps getting harder and harder the more you climb steps on this list. Doesn't this make Rossi's 'Best' ever?

7.- Rossi Record of 'Most Points in a Single Season' for 'All Riders All Times' was 2008. Doesn't this make Rossi's 'Best' ever? Oh, this one is to help you a bit, 2008 was 'Last' year!


Please Tom, tell me when to stop, because I may have a few more questions…

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 19 2009, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I guess the difference is that most of you guys just want to see a big engine slide around a track, where i'm more interested in seeing riders chase a thin edge of perfection where the penalty for getting it wrong is big. Thats why i have enjoyed the 500's and 800's more than the 990's. Good looking out by the way with the average winners per season, with 2006 the usual anomaly things are basically the same now. I know i'm in a minority here but opinions are opinions and i'm pretty happy enjoying the present while you guys ..... and complain that things aren't good enough compared to the past. You might consider yourselfes to be 'right' but i'm probably enjoying this season more than you Take it easy guys

You mean a 990 'Beast' does not need 'Milimetric Riding Precision' almost 'to Perfection', to tame all that output power right at the very edge of the tyres, track, acceleration, breaking, etc? Come on Tom! You'll have to do better.

We are taking it 'too' easy… And also enjoying Rossi's 'Best Ever'!