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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 19 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I was implying was that...yeah Suzuki has been successful on CLUB RACING level, hence their championships on 'club level' racing. But what I was saying is that when it comes to all out war, cream of the crop if you will, they are way behind the likes of Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati. I just wanted to get my point across in that they really are trying their hardest but are just failing miserably at the top level, not for their lack of passion for racing or their budget, but when it comes to the pinnacle of it all..... they just can't cut it.
I won't disagree with you about their failures at the pinnacle of the sport. I just think a lot of it comes down to their limited budget.
I won't disagree with you about their failures at the pinnacle of the sport. I just think a lot of it comes down to their limited budget.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 19 2009, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I won't disagree with you about their failures at the pinnacle of the sport. I just think a lot of it comes down to their limited budget.
I don't know what their sale figures are..... but seems like every sportbike I see out on the road are Suzuki Gsx-R's(most popular among squids btw, no offence to stunters.).
I don't know what their sale figures are..... but seems like every sportbike I see out on the road are Suzuki Gsx-R's(most popular among squids btw, no offence to stunters.).
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 19 2009, 09:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know what their sale figures are..... but seems like every sportbike I see out on the road are Suzuki Gsx-R's(most popular among squids btw, no offence to stunters.).
Based on the success of the GSXR line, you have to believe that Suzuki doesn't reinvest that success into their GP program in the same capacity that Honda and Yamaha do. Commitment is a funny word. I firmly believe the people involved with Suzuki MotoGP are fully committed to succeeding and I would be surprised if the engineers back in Japan were any less competent than their counterparts at Honda and Yamaha. Just looking at the amount of Suzukis on the street, the competitiveness of GSXRs and the lack of GSVRs on the grid, I have to believe there is a part of the factory that sees Grand Prix as a waste of time. Or at the very least, not cost effective enough to merit the funds necessary to compete with Honda, Yamaha and Ducati.
Based on the success of the GSXR line, you have to believe that Suzuki doesn't reinvest that success into their GP program in the same capacity that Honda and Yamaha do. Commitment is a funny word. I firmly believe the people involved with Suzuki MotoGP are fully committed to succeeding and I would be surprised if the engineers back in Japan were any less competent than their counterparts at Honda and Yamaha. Just looking at the amount of Suzukis on the street, the competitiveness of GSXRs and the lack of GSVRs on the grid, I have to believe there is a part of the factory that sees Grand Prix as a waste of time. Or at the very least, not cost effective enough to merit the funds necessary to compete with Honda, Yamaha and Ducati.
I have been told (by Ducati people in Aust) that the Ducati budget for MotoGP is very small against the likes of Honda and Yamaha, and that the income from Dorma and sponsorship they get from Phillip Morris and others almost pays for their MotoGP program. MotoGP costs Ducati very little.
Maybe the budget of Suzuki is not much less than Ducati, who knows.
Maybe Suzuki should be putting maximum effort into finding a better primary sponsor, willing to increase the level of investment.
I think the Suzuki team and the riders have accepted they will not be front runners.
What they need is just one really good competative result, where they are matching the lap times of other teams, and it will prove to them that it can be done.
I have really high hopes for Bautista next year.
Build a 250 chassis and put the 800 in it. Bautista will ride it into the ground.
Maybe the budget of Suzuki is not much less than Ducati, who knows.
Maybe Suzuki should be putting maximum effort into finding a better primary sponsor, willing to increase the level of investment.
I think the Suzuki team and the riders have accepted they will not be front runners.
What they need is just one really good competative result, where they are matching the lap times of other teams, and it will prove to them that it can be done.
I have really high hopes for Bautista next year.
Build a 250 chassis and put the 800 in it. Bautista will ride it into the ground.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 19 2009, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Based on the success of the GSXR line, you have to believe that Suzuki doesn't reinvest that success into their GP program in the same capacity that Honda and Yamaha do. Commitment is a funny word. I firmly believe the people involved with Suzuki MotoGP are fully committed to succeeding and I would be surprised if the engineers back in Japan were any less competent than their counterparts at Honda and Yamaha. Just looking at the amount of Suzukis on the street, the competitiveness of GSXRs and the lack of GSVRs on the grid, I have to believe there is a part of the factory that sees Grand Prix as a waste of time. Or at the very least, not cost effective enough to merit the funds necessary to compete with Honda, Yamaha and Ducati.
That is why half of the attendees in the US races doesn't even know who the racers are. Most who DO ride sportbikes buys the Suzuki's because it 'fits' them..... meaning they feel comfortable how their posture is while their bodies is on the gas tank or how their feet is planted while on the stoplight. They have not a clue about the performance characteristics of the machine they wrap their legs around on, or what the machine is capable of. All they care about is how 'easy' it is to pop a wheelie on them.... so in conclusion MotoGP has very little to do on the US market I'd say.
That is why half of the attendees in the US races doesn't even know who the racers are. Most who DO ride sportbikes buys the Suzuki's because it 'fits' them..... meaning they feel comfortable how their posture is while their bodies is on the gas tank or how their feet is planted while on the stoplight. They have not a clue about the performance characteristics of the machine they wrap their legs around on, or what the machine is capable of. All they care about is how 'easy' it is to pop a wheelie on them.... so in conclusion MotoGP has very little to do on the US market I'd say.
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i've been waiting for them to pull out for ages,there worse than the shittiest sat team talma etc
at the moment
there programme is going no where fast and if bautista does ok other teams will grab him
who in the near future can you see going there and sorting the whole set up out
and who will want one of there seats////no one
at the moment
there programme is going no where fast and if bautista does ok other teams will grab him
who in the near future can you see going there and sorting the whole set up out
and who will want one of there seats////no one
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 19 2009, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's different for Rizla, Rog, as it's not technically a tobacco product.
nope, rizla class as tobacco products so fall under the same law.
nope, rizla class as tobacco products so fall under the same law.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 19 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I say let Yoshimura and Kevin Schwantz run the team.
this is what suzuki need.... more than anything! a new schwantz riding the bike would also be most helpful. hopefully bautista can help them in the rider area.
this is what suzuki need.... more than anything! a new schwantz riding the bike would also be most helpful. hopefully bautista can help them in the rider area.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 20 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>so in conclusion MotoGP has very little to do on the US market I'd say.
For Suzuki absolutely. Like I said, someone at Suzuki doesn't see MotoGP as a viable marketing tool.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 20 2009, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nope, rizla class as tobacco products so fall under the same law.
You're obviously more familiar with the laws than I am, but then why is Rizla allowed to be displayed throughout the European rounds (with the exception of France) and the states? Meanwhile, the only place Marlboro can display their branding is in Qatar. Like I said, I'm not too clear on where Rizla fits into tobacco law, but it appears that there is some sort of differentiation between Rizla and tobacco. Otherwise, Rizla would run into the same road blocks that Marlboro has.
For Suzuki absolutely. Like I said, someone at Suzuki doesn't see MotoGP as a viable marketing tool.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 20 2009, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nope, rizla class as tobacco products so fall under the same law.
You're obviously more familiar with the laws than I am, but then why is Rizla allowed to be displayed throughout the European rounds (with the exception of France) and the states? Meanwhile, the only place Marlboro can display their branding is in Qatar. Like I said, I'm not too clear on where Rizla fits into tobacco law, but it appears that there is some sort of differentiation between Rizla and tobacco. Otherwise, Rizla would run into the same road blocks that Marlboro has.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 20 2009, 02:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That is why half of the attendees in the US races doesn't even know who the racers are. Most who DO ride sportbikes buys the Suzuki's because it 'fits' them..... meaning they feel comfortable how their posture is while their bodies is on the gas tank or how their feet is planted while on the stoplight. They have not a clue about the performance characteristics of the machine they wrap their legs around on, or what the machine is capable of. All they care about is how 'easy' it is to pop a wheelie on them.... so in conclusion MotoGP has very little to do on the US market I'd say.
If the bike you ride is a direct reflection of the sport you follow then why is it when I was in Spain/Portugal did I see everyone riding scooters? Almost no GSXR's or any sportbike for that matter yet the number of MotoGP fans is far higher there. Your statement makes no sense (other than a lame attempt at generalizing the USA motorcycle consumer). I recall Biaggi saying when he was riding the Suzuki 1000 in WSBK saying that it was very much like a GP bike and I'll take his opinion as word.
If the bike you ride is a direct reflection of the sport you follow then why is it when I was in Spain/Portugal did I see everyone riding scooters? Almost no GSXR's or any sportbike for that matter yet the number of MotoGP fans is far higher there. Your statement makes no sense (other than a lame attempt at generalizing the USA motorcycle consumer). I recall Biaggi saying when he was riding the Suzuki 1000 in WSBK saying that it was very much like a GP bike and I'll take his opinion as word.
If everyone remembers, there were rumors last year during the off season that Suzuki might pull out, especially when Rizla hadn't committed to them yet. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they "run into problems" during the off season then pull a Kawasaki (have riders signed, and then pull the plug). The team needs an enema, clear the whole thing out and give Yoshimura a call.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 20 2009, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For Suzuki absolutely. Like I said, someone at Suzuki doesn't see MotoGP as a viable marketing tool.
You're obviously more familiar with the laws than I am, but then why is Rizla allowed to be displayed throughout the European rounds (with the exception of France) and the states? Meanwhile, the only place Marlboro can display their branding is in Qatar. Like I said, I'm not too clear on where Rizla fits into tobacco law, but it appears that there is some sort of differentiation between Rizla and tobacco. Otherwise, Rizla would run into the same road blocks that Marlboro has.
funny aint it. in the uk you have to be 18 to buy a pack of Rizla's same as a pack of ciggys. tobacco advertising is banned in the uk but im sure they had Rizla on the zooks at donny
. mabe some country's are stricter than others. im sure i heard one of the commentators mention it tho
You're obviously more familiar with the laws than I am, but then why is Rizla allowed to be displayed throughout the European rounds (with the exception of France) and the states? Meanwhile, the only place Marlboro can display their branding is in Qatar. Like I said, I'm not too clear on where Rizla fits into tobacco law, but it appears that there is some sort of differentiation between Rizla and tobacco. Otherwise, Rizla would run into the same road blocks that Marlboro has.
funny aint it. in the uk you have to be 18 to buy a pack of Rizla's same as a pack of ciggys. tobacco advertising is banned in the uk but im sure they had Rizla on the zooks at donny
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Oct 20 2009, 06:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It has been said before, they don't really want to win. It was obvious when they gave up Spies.
get your head out your ......
of course they want to win. you dont throw huge $'s at this without some pretty clearcut goals.
they want to win, they just dont know how...........yet..
get your head out your ......
of course they want to win. you dont throw huge $'s at this without some pretty clearcut goals.
they want to win, they just dont know how...........yet..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 21 2009, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda-Co:huge 6 bikes
Yamaha-Co: large 4 bikes
Suzuki-Co:big 2 bikes
Ducati-Co: microscopic 4 bikes (had 5)
No excuses. Budget my ..., they just suck.
+ 1
Kawasaki big........ nowhere
Aprilia; tiny......... coming
If teams can get good first class sponsors (like Malboro, Repsol, Fiat), it doesn't need to cost the factories millions.
Yamaha-Co: large 4 bikes
Suzuki-Co:big 2 bikes
Ducati-Co: microscopic 4 bikes (had 5)
No excuses. Budget my ..., they just suck.
+ 1
Kawasaki big........ nowhere
Aprilia; tiny......... coming
If teams can get good first class sponsors (like Malboro, Repsol, Fiat), it doesn't need to cost the factories millions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 20 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda-Co:huge 6 bikes
Yamaha-Co: large 4 bikes
Suzuki-Co:big 2 bikes
Ducati-Co: microscopic 4 bikes (had 5)
No excuses. Budget my ..., they just suck.
I looked at their financial statement a year or so ago. 32 billion dollar company with 2 billion in direct R&D funding. So, you're right, no excuse.
Yamaha-Co: large 4 bikes
Suzuki-Co:big 2 bikes
Ducati-Co: microscopic 4 bikes (had 5)
No excuses. Budget my ..., they just suck.
I looked at their financial statement a year or so ago. 32 billion dollar company with 2 billion in direct R&D funding. So, you're right, no excuse.
