<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 19 2009, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK
They seem to have lost direction after they gave Hopkins the boot.
they seem to have lost direction after Schwantz
They seem to have lost direction after they gave Hopkins the boot.
they seem to have lost direction after Schwantz
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 19 2009, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they seem to have lost direction after Schwantz
Perhaps after Roberts Jr. then.
Suzuki looked pitiful at PI. This being a Loris track too, where he has had great success. No to mention, Vermi's home GP.
Perhaps after Roberts Jr. then.
Suzuki looked pitiful at PI. This being a Loris track too, where he has had great success. No to mention, Vermi's home GP.
I say let Yoshimura and Kevin Schwantz run the team.
Sorry, but Loris has a ...... record at development with the 800cc GSX-R and Desmo. Suzuki may suck, but he's obviously not focused enough to prioritize his feeback and demands.
Sorry, but Loris has a ...... record at development with the 800cc GSX-R and Desmo. Suzuki may suck, but he's obviously not focused enough to prioritize his feeback and demands.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 19 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps after Roberts Jr. then.
Suzuki looked pitiful at PI. This being a Loris track too, where he has had great success. No to mention, Vermi's home GP.
The suzuki was a dog in the jnr years, it was well documented the thing had a mind of its own. I think that championship was all down to jnr. i may be in the minority here but i think jnr was a very talented rider who was wasted on the zook. Just look how he went on daddys bike
Suzuki looked pitiful at PI. This being a Loris track too, where he has had great success. No to mention, Vermi's home GP.
The suzuki was a dog in the jnr years, it was well documented the thing had a mind of its own. I think that championship was all down to jnr. i may be in the minority here but i think jnr was a very talented rider who was wasted on the zook. Just look how he went on daddys bike
2009 has been a disaster for them. They are further behind now than they were at the start of the year. Compared to Stoner and Rossi, these guys don't even look like they are going fast.
This is bad for MotoGP, because you have to ask how long will Suzuki and Rizla continue to support a team running at the back.
Suzuki look like the old Kawasaki. Completely lost, and getting further and further behind.
I feel sorry for Bautista, because he could quickly become another fast kid with no results, in a downward spiral. He is very fast on a 250, so hopefully he is willing to really put the bike on the limit (the top 250 times at PI were not much slower than the Suzukis).
As much as I like Chris Vermi, he is past it. He think he is resigned to the fact the biuke is crap, and there is nothing he can do.
I think even Cap is lost, but has not other better options.
Was watching some 2007 races on Fox over the weekend, and its only 2007 that Suzuki and Kawasaki were competative, with Hopper getting podiums on the Kawasaki.
To me it seems that the Suzuki engine is not so bad, the problem is the bike. I really hope Bautista can do something special.
This is bad for MotoGP, because you have to ask how long will Suzuki and Rizla continue to support a team running at the back.
Suzuki look like the old Kawasaki. Completely lost, and getting further and further behind.
I feel sorry for Bautista, because he could quickly become another fast kid with no results, in a downward spiral. He is very fast on a 250, so hopefully he is willing to really put the bike on the limit (the top 250 times at PI were not much slower than the Suzukis).
As much as I like Chris Vermi, he is past it. He think he is resigned to the fact the biuke is crap, and there is nothing he can do.
I think even Cap is lost, but has not other better options.
Was watching some 2007 races on Fox over the weekend, and its only 2007 that Suzuki and Kawasaki were competative, with Hopper getting podiums on the Kawasaki.
To me it seems that the Suzuki engine is not so bad, the problem is the bike. I really hope Bautista can do something special.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Oct 19 2009, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is bad for MotoGP, because you have to ask how long will Suzuki and Rizla continue to support a team running at the back.
If you hadn't noticed, Rizla has pulled sponsorship support already.
If you hadn't noticed, Rizla has pulled sponsorship support already.
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They seem to have lost direction after they gave Hopkins the boot.
The lost direction when the 4 strokes were introduced.
Denning is accustomed to losing, that's why Suzuki keep him on. Nearly anyone else would have quit a long time ago and started a team running satellite bikes.
They seem to have lost direction after they gave Hopkins the boot.
The lost direction when the 4 strokes were introduced.
Denning is accustomed to losing, that's why Suzuki keep him on. Nearly anyone else would have quit a long time ago and started a team running satellite bikes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nuts @ Oct 19 2009, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Was watching some 2007 races on Fox over the weekend, and its only 2007 that Suzuki and Kawasaki were competative, with Hopper getting podiums on the Kawasaki.
Yea i'm pretty sure their bike was as good as anyones that year, they got it pretty right. It's a shame how things have gone since.
Yea i'm pretty sure their bike was as good as anyones that year, they got it pretty right. It's a shame how things have gone since.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 19 2009, 01:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea i'm pretty sure their bike was as good as anyones that year, they got it pretty right. It's a shame how things have gone since.
Lots of rules changes, tiny development budget.
Lots of rules changes, tiny development budget.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 19 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The suzuki was a dog in the jnr years, it was well documented the thing had a mind of its own. I think that championship was all down to jnr. i may be in the minority here but i think jnr was a very talented rider who was wasted on the zook. Just look how he went on daddys bike
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 19 2009, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you hadn't noticed, Rizla has pulled sponsorship support already.
I thought I had read that Rizla re-upped for next season. What makes you say they've already pulled support? I noticed that Rizla wasn't printed on anything this weekend but I seem to recall that happening in Aus and France before. If they had pulled the support, I'd imagine Suzuki would have painted the bikes in factory colors rather than Rizla blue.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 19 2009, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If you hadn't noticed, Rizla has pulled sponsorship support already.
I thought I had read that Rizla re-upped for next season. What makes you say they've already pulled support? I noticed that Rizla wasn't printed on anything this weekend but I seem to recall that happening in Aus and France before. If they had pulled the support, I'd imagine Suzuki would have painted the bikes in factory colors rather than Rizla blue.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Oct 19 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Denning is accustomed to losing, that's why Suzuki keep him on.
That's cold lex, even coming from you.
I don't think Denning has much of a choice, I think he's glad he still has a job after giving Spies is walking papers.
Rog, you right on. Suzuki have sucked since dirt. What needs to happen? I think the new blood with Alvaro will be a big plus (but not if they continue felling mid pack is 'success').
That's cold lex, even coming from you.
I don't think Denning has much of a choice, I think he's glad he still has a job after giving Spies is walking papers.
Rog, you right on. Suzuki have sucked since dirt. What needs to happen? I think the new blood with Alvaro will be a big plus (but not if they continue felling mid pack is 'success').
Austin, you're right that Rizla wasn't on the bikes in France 2009 either. Don't know why...?
Made a leap of logic
Made a leap of logic
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 19 2009, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin, you're right that Rizla wasn't on the bikes in France 2009 either. Don't know why...?
Made a leap of logic
Don't know about Aus but I know in France they have very strict regulations on sponsorship in sport. For example, football teams cannot display alcohol logos while it's legal. I'd imagine that's why Rizla wasn't on the bikes in Le Mans and I can only assume similar conditions exist in Aus.
Made a leap of logic
Don't know about Aus but I know in France they have very strict regulations on sponsorship in sport. For example, football teams cannot display alcohol logos while it's legal. I'd imagine that's why Rizla wasn't on the bikes in Le Mans and I can only assume similar conditions exist in Aus.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Oct 19 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Austin, you're right that Rizla wasn't on the bikes in France 2009 either. Don't know why...?
Made a leap of logic
Tobacco advertising is banned in those countrys, notice the duc didnt have marlboro either
Made a leap of logic
Tobacco advertising is banned in those countrys, notice the duc didnt have marlboro either
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Oct 19 2009, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tobacco advertising is banned in those countrys, notice the duc didnt have marlboro either
It's different for Rizla, Rog, as it's not technically a tobacco product.
It's different for Rizla, Rog, as it's not technically a tobacco product.
You .......s are breaking my heart....
We could spend hours picking apart the crap job Suzuki is doing but why bother? They just don't have a coherent passionate race philosphy. I don't know what would bring it together but to put all the blame on Denning is unfair. It's surprising the team doesn't just give up. He must be a hell of a cheerleader to keep them going under the circumstances. He can only work with what he is given.
They are so like the Maple Leafs...
We could spend hours picking apart the crap job Suzuki is doing but why bother? They just don't have a coherent passionate race philosphy. I don't know what would bring it together but to put all the blame on Denning is unfair. It's surprising the team doesn't just give up. He must be a hell of a cheerleader to keep them going under the circumstances. He can only work with what he is given.
They are so like the Maple Leafs...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Oct 19 2009, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You .......s are breaking my heart....
We could spend hours picking apart the crap job Suzuki is doing but why bother? They just don't have a coherent passionate race philosphy. I don't know what would bring it together but to put all the blame on Denning is unfair. It's surprising the team doesn't just give up. He must be a hell of a cheerleader to keep them going under the circumstances. He can only work with what he is given.
They are so like the Maple Leafs...
That's because they are FAILING miserably... it doesn't mean they lack the passion for racing, it's just they really AREN'T a racing company because they lack the knowledge and know-how to become true champions. AND it doesn't mean they aren't giving full support either, you only assume that because of their lack of results, but I'm sure they are just as committed as Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, etc........... the only difference is is that they just aren't good enough.
We could spend hours picking apart the crap job Suzuki is doing but why bother? They just don't have a coherent passionate race philosphy. I don't know what would bring it together but to put all the blame on Denning is unfair. It's surprising the team doesn't just give up. He must be a hell of a cheerleader to keep them going under the circumstances. He can only work with what he is given.
They are so like the Maple Leafs...
That's because they are FAILING miserably... it doesn't mean they lack the passion for racing, it's just they really AREN'T a racing company because they lack the knowledge and know-how to become true champions. AND it doesn't mean they aren't giving full support either, you only assume that because of their lack of results, but I'm sure they are just as committed as Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, etc........... the only difference is is that they just aren't good enough.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Oct 19 2009, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's because they are FAILING miserably... it doesn't mean they lack the passion for racing, it's just they really AREN'T a racing company because they lack the knowledge and know-how to become true champions. AND it doesn't mean they aren't giving full support either, you only assume that because of their lack of results, but I'm sure they are just as committed as Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, etc........... the only difference is is that they just aren't good enough.
Aren't a racing company? The GSXR line has been amongst the strongest Superbike lines in history, both in domestic and international competition. Count up SBK titles from the AMA, BSB, ASBK and WSBK and I'll bet you Suzuki is right up there with Ducati and Honda. They're a very capable racing company, their commitment to building SBKs is evidence of that.
The real issue is not in their talent, it's in the size of their budget. Suzuki don't have the budget of Honda and Yamaha and the racing isn't ingrained into their souls like at Ducati. Suzuki put their money and development into something that will give them direct sales, their GSXR line. I'm sure Honda, Yamaha and Ducati will all tell you that marketing their GP achievements has been great for sales, but the money they spend to do so is astronomical. On a smaller budget, it makes loads more sense for Suzuki to make the motorcycles they plan on selling the marketing tool. Sure, the RCV, M1 and GPxx have won countless MotoGP races and world championships, but they've also cost Honda, Yamaha and Ducati millions upon millions and the average rider will never come close to riding anything that resembles those machines. However, the GSXRs have won countless SBK races and titles and you can go to your local dealer and buy one for a mere $13,000. If you really want to get carried away you can talk to the right people, piss away $200,000 and you can have your very own, full spec Superbike.
Suzuki piss me off to no end, but their strategy makes a lot of sense.
Aren't a racing company? The GSXR line has been amongst the strongest Superbike lines in history, both in domestic and international competition. Count up SBK titles from the AMA, BSB, ASBK and WSBK and I'll bet you Suzuki is right up there with Ducati and Honda. They're a very capable racing company, their commitment to building SBKs is evidence of that.
The real issue is not in their talent, it's in the size of their budget. Suzuki don't have the budget of Honda and Yamaha and the racing isn't ingrained into their souls like at Ducati. Suzuki put their money and development into something that will give them direct sales, their GSXR line. I'm sure Honda, Yamaha and Ducati will all tell you that marketing their GP achievements has been great for sales, but the money they spend to do so is astronomical. On a smaller budget, it makes loads more sense for Suzuki to make the motorcycles they plan on selling the marketing tool. Sure, the RCV, M1 and GPxx have won countless MotoGP races and world championships, but they've also cost Honda, Yamaha and Ducati millions upon millions and the average rider will never come close to riding anything that resembles those machines. However, the GSXRs have won countless SBK races and titles and you can go to your local dealer and buy one for a mere $13,000. If you really want to get carried away you can talk to the right people, piss away $200,000 and you can have your very own, full spec Superbike.
Suzuki piss me off to no end, but their strategy makes a lot of sense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Oct 19 2009, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Aren't a racing company? The GSXR line has been amongst the strongest Superbike lines in history, both in domestic and international competition. Count up SBK titles from the AMA, BSB, ASBK and WSBK and I'll bet you Suzuki is right up there with Ducati and Honda. They're a very capable racing company, their commitment to building SBKs is evidence of that.
The real issue is not in their talent, it's in the size of their budget. Suzuki don't have the budget of Honda and Yamaha and the racing isn't ingrained into their souls like at Ducati. Suzuki put their money and development into something that will give them direct sales, their GSXR line. I'm sure Honda, Yamaha and Ducati will all tell you that marketing their GP achievements has been great for sales, but the money they spend to do so is astronomical. On a smaller budget, it makes loads more sense for Suzuki to make the motorcycles they plan on selling the marketing tool. Sure, the RCV, M1 and GPxx have won countless MotoGP races and world championships, but they've also cost Honda, Yamaha and Ducati millions upon millions and the average rider will never come close to riding anything that resembles those machines. However, the GSXRs have won countless SBK races and titles and you can go to your local dealer and buy one for a mere $13,000. If you really want to get carried away you can talk to the right people, piss away $200,000 and you can have your very own, full spec Superbike.
Suzuki piss me off to no end, but their strategy makes a lot of sense.
What I was implying was that...yeah Suzuki has been successful on CLUB RACING level, hence their championships on 'club level' racing. But what I was saying is that when it comes to all out war, cream of the crop if you will, they are way behind the likes of Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati. I just wanted to get my point across in that they really are trying their hardest but are just failing miserably at the top level, not for their lack of passion for racing or their budget, but when it comes to the pinnacle of it all..... they just can't cut it.
The real issue is not in their talent, it's in the size of their budget. Suzuki don't have the budget of Honda and Yamaha and the racing isn't ingrained into their souls like at Ducati. Suzuki put their money and development into something that will give them direct sales, their GSXR line. I'm sure Honda, Yamaha and Ducati will all tell you that marketing their GP achievements has been great for sales, but the money they spend to do so is astronomical. On a smaller budget, it makes loads more sense for Suzuki to make the motorcycles they plan on selling the marketing tool. Sure, the RCV, M1 and GPxx have won countless MotoGP races and world championships, but they've also cost Honda, Yamaha and Ducati millions upon millions and the average rider will never come close to riding anything that resembles those machines. However, the GSXRs have won countless SBK races and titles and you can go to your local dealer and buy one for a mere $13,000. If you really want to get carried away you can talk to the right people, piss away $200,000 and you can have your very own, full spec Superbike.
Suzuki piss me off to no end, but their strategy makes a lot of sense.
What I was implying was that...yeah Suzuki has been successful on CLUB RACING level, hence their championships on 'club level' racing. But what I was saying is that when it comes to all out war, cream of the crop if you will, they are way behind the likes of Honda, Yamaha, and Ducati. I just wanted to get my point across in that they really are trying their hardest but are just failing miserably at the top level, not for their lack of passion for racing or their budget, but when it comes to the pinnacle of it all..... they just can't cut it.
