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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Jun 4 2008, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>maybe with the engine management systems now, its more 65% rider, 35% bike but the sentiment remains the same.

if you think your bike is good, then you will generally ride it better than if you think its got no chance.
this might explain some of nickys repsol problems...

No dude.. it will ALWAYS be 80/20 forever... If the bike is ...., like most were sept the duc last year..it's not at its max 80%....same with the rider...



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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 4 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No dude.. it will ALWAYS be 80/20 forever... If the bike is ...., like most were sept the duc last year..it's not at its max 80%....same with the rider...



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splitting hairs now, we agree that the rider plays the biggest part in going fast....

ok, now discussion over...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 4 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>things never change.

80% rider
20% bike


I wud say

60% Rider
40% Bike

IMO with a .... bike even Rossi was not able to the magic in 07
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 4 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No dude.. it will ALWAYS be 80/20 forever... If the bike is ...., like most were sept the duc last year..it's not at its max 80%....same with the rider...



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Another example is Rossi in 2006....He had a crap bike on crap tires, yet he won 5 races and lost the title by 5 points...that was 80% Rossi (all the wining and even the losing at Valencia), and 20% equipment....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (surendhar @ Jun 4 2008, 06:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wud say

60% Rider
40% Bike

IMO with a .... bike even Rossi was not able to the magic in 07

can you read?....thats cause the bike was not at the 80% mark...
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60/40
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go back to your F1
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 4 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>can you read?....thats cause the bike was not at the 80% mark...
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60/40
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go back to your F1
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Wouldn't that be

98% Car

2% driver

?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jun 4 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Tech 3 team have a winning tyre manufacturer again... i still don't think Edwards is doing any better than Melandri did a few seasons ago with the Tech 3 team.He's doing a hell of a lot better than 12th in the championship. Out of the races Marco actually finished that season, in half he finished worse than Colin's worst finish thusfar this season. Hardly a banner year.
 
It doesn't really matter guys, it still takes both to do the job.
But i will say its not so easy now to win with problems.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Jun 4 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Another example is Rossi in 2006....He had a crap bike on crap tires, yet he won 5 races and lost the title by 5 points...that was 80% Rossi (all the wining and even the losing at Valencia), and 20% equipment....

The severe front chattering during the first third of the 2006 season, specially with the Michelin qualifiers fitted, together with the bike going "pop" in France (a certain win) and in the US of A, and one faulty batch of tires in China, amount to 20%?

Rossi must have been crap in 2006 then.

I'd say 60/40 in favor of the equipment/team (as much as I admire Rossi's skills, I'd like to see him pulling this level of performance without Jerry Burgess & crew).
 
Seriously i think we'd all agree that its a mixture between the rider and his equipment (and all factors that accompany this), most of us will also agree that this is split in favour of the riders influence. I wouldn't however agree with those who would say that its down to the rider when he wins, and the equipment when he loses.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Jun 4 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with you,and the thing that happened in the mid winter was Ducati making sure to beat the competition,maybe?perhaps they got information of how much more they had to squeze out of the bike to be sure of being ahead. i don't know.

Actually it just struck me. Maybe the mid winter change was similar to the modifications that's been done to the Yamaha now. To be alienated to the bike like capirossi was it takes more than a remapping or electronics adjustment, but changing the whole balance and geometry might?
 
I'd say 80% rider. For lap times, its 20% bike. During a race you have to factor in luck to that 20%.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Jun 4 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd say 80% rider. For lap times, its 20% bike. During a race you have to factor in luck to that 20%.

That depends how much youy believe in luck.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jun 4 2008, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Tech 3 team have a winning tyre manufacturer again... i still don't think Edwards is doing any better than Melandri did a few seasons ago with the Tech 3 team.

Because I have too much spare time on my hands, lets compare..

Melandris Tech 3 season results:
Race Win Pod Pole FLap Pts Plcd
17 0 3 0 0 187 5th

Colin so far:
Race Win Pod Pole Flap Pts Plcd
6 0 1 1 0 58 5th

So overall, no he's not doing any better than Melandri did bar a pole position, they look like getting around about the same results and position.

Yes, I am very sad.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Checa_7 @ Jun 4 2008, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because I have too much spare time on my hands, lets compare..

Melandris Tech 3 season results:
Race Win Pod Pole FLap Pts Plcd
17 0 3 0 0 187 5th

Colin so far:
Race Win Pod Pole Flap Pts Plcd
6 0 1 1 0 58 5th

So overall, no he's not doing any better than Melandri did bar a pole position, they look like getting around about the same results and position.

Yes, I am very sad.
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Interesting numbers, cheers dude
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Jun 4 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree with you.
Here's a great article from http://motogpf1.blogspot.com/.
The article mentions that the swing arm is shortened by 8mm, but that is not the whole story.

If you look at these pix from Le Mans you can see that the difference in position of the rear axle on Rossi and Lorenzo's bikes is more like 40-50mm. You can also see that the forks are further forward on Rossi's bike by 10-15mm.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jun 4 2008, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The article mentions that the swing arm is shortened by 8mm, but that is not the whole story.

If you look at these pix from Le Mans you can see that the difference in position of the rear axle on Rossi and Lorenzo's bikes is more like 40-50mm. You can also see that the forks are further forward on Rossi's bike by 10-15mm.

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dont forget that there is also a matter of 12kgs and 12cm difference between rossi and lorenzo too..

chuppa chump....55kg & 170cm

rossi ...67kg & 182cm...

might make these comparisons not as clear cut as you all think...

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 4 2008, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That depends how much youy believe in luck.
well marco was sure unlucky at mugello, or do you think he made his own bad luck.
 

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