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2nd hand Ducati anyone ?

HOLY ...., anyone see that hayden highside?

Wow - Dorna have now even managed to make qualifying boring. Go Dorna!!!!!





















You ....... Chumps!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (truent @ Apr 11 2009, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HOLY ...., anyone see that hayden highside?
Big and Ugly....

I hope he is okay...

Wow - hope Nicky's OK...

Nice flying, but bad for qualifying.

Ducati is cursed - for anyone but Stoner. That was a big nasty highside. Hope Hayden's ok.
Expected top 3 I would say.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (truent @ Apr 11 2009, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HOLY ...., anyone see that hayden highside?

Crazy!!


o no....rain...this night idea really doesn't work with rain

Another win for the dorna 800cc safety formula. I hope nicky is ok also.

Hayden was almost ran over by the rider behind him. Scary moment there.

I hope this is a wake up call for Hayden cuz he needs to hang up his helmet anyways. Nothing against the guy.....he always seems to give it his all on the bike, and in this case going over his limit. Hope he didn't suffer any serious injuries other than scratches and bruises.... sorry to say Hayden fans, but tis thee time to give it up and make way for new younger riders out there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 11 2009, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope this is a wake up call for Hayden cuz he needs to hang up his helmet anyways. Nothing against the guy.....he always seems to give it his all on the bike, and in this case going over his limit. Hope he didn't suffer any serious injuries other than scratches and bruises.... sorry to say Hayden fans, but tis thee time to give it up and make way for new younger riders out there.

Wtf are you talking about, hes just a baby compared to Capirossi/Sete/Edwards

Melandri couldn't do it on the Ducati either so its not about Talent... because Marco is a very good rider and so is Nicky.

I thought someone would have posted already...

1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 55.286 sec
2. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 55.759 sec
3. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team 1min 55.783 sec
4. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team 1min 55.977 sec
5. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1min 56.149 sec
6. Colin Edwards USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 56.194 sec
7. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP 1min 56.358 sec
8. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP 1min 56.493 sec
9. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 56.790 sec
10. Mika Kallio FIN Pramac Racing 1min 56.852 sec
11. Marco Melandri ITA Hayate Racing Team 1min 56.962 sec
12. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini 1min 57.225 sec
13. James Toseland GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1min 57.510 sec
14. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team 1min 57.729 sec
15. Sete Gibernau SPA Grupo Francisco Hernando 1min 57.899 sec
16. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team 1min 58.215 sec
17. Yuki Takahashi JPN Scot Racing Team MotoGP 1min 58.784 sec
18. Niccolo Canepa ITA Pramac Racing 1min 58.999 sec

I really feel that Ducati garage is very one sided. Casey's crew are very close knit, it's almost a clique around him. They communicate well, and Casey remarked immediately during his first season with Ducati that his crew were like a family. It's quite clear that Cristian Gabbarrini is the key here, and that Casey benefits from a very close relationship with his crew chief, who runs a very tight ship - much in the same way that Ernesto Marinelli was so important to Bayliss. I don't think the other side of the garage is so sorted. Nicky's new crew chief, Christian Pupilin is a weird case. He was waiting for a lift at SF airport after WSB '02 when he was at Ducati Infostrada, and I tried talking to him and he averted his gaze and just blanked me, (I do tend to have this effect on people). I've since learnt it wasn't in fact me, and that he's not ignorant, but very shy, and doesn't speak good English. Toby and Julian were suggesting that the English on Nicky's side of the garage was not so strong, and that they are already bewildered by the laid back slang of the Kentucky kid.

The fact that the Ducati is so obviously sensitive, temperamental and has riders other than Stoner blindly chasing anything remotely approaching a decent setup suggests that rider feedback is imperative. I think that Nicky's crew will lack the information exchange/feedback loop which is so strong for Casey. Maybe Nicky should do a JT and poach a crew chief from his teammate - ie, request the other Cristian from Casey because like Guy Coulon, he can't understand him and vice versa. Even Marco mentioned last year that communication was a problem on that side of the garage..and he's Italian for God's sake!! Seriously though, I think this is a major problem for Nicky this year, as it has been for previous incumbents on that side of the garage.

Encouraging to have just seen Tommy outside Dr.Costa's signaling to Suppo that Nicky appears to be o.k

lap times between Stoner/Rossi over race stint look very similar... i don't think the rest are going to hang with them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 11 2009, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really feel that Ducati garage is very one sided. Casey's crew are very close knit, it's almost a clique around him. They communicate well, and Casey remarked immediately during his first season with Ducati that his crew were like a family. It's quite clear that Cristian Gabbarrini is the key here, and that Casey benefits from a very close relationship with his crew chief, who runs a very tight ship - much in the same way that Ernesto Marinelli was so important to Bayliss. I don't think the other side of the garage is so sorted. Nicky's new crew chief, Christian Pupilin is a weird case. He was waiting for a lift at SF airport after WSB '02 when he was at Ducati Infostrada, and I tried talking to him and he averted his gaze and just blanked me, (I do tend to have this effect on people). I've since learnt it wasn't in fact me, and that he's not ignorant, but very shy, and doesn't speak good English. Toby and Julian were suggesting that the English on Nicky's side of the garage was not so strong, and that they are already bewildered by the laid back slang of the Kentucky kid.

The fact that the Ducati is so obviously sensitive, temperamental and has riders other than Stoner blindly chasing anything remotely approaching a decent setup suggests that rider feedback is imperative. I think that Nicky's crew will lack the information exchange/feedback loop which is so strong for Casey. Maybe Nicky should do a JT and poach a crew chief from his teammate - ie, request the other Cristian from Casey because like Guy Coulon, he can't understand him and vice versa. Even Marco mentioned last year that communication was a problem on that side of the garage..and he's Italian for God's sake!! Seriously though, I think this is a major problem for Nicky this year, as it has been for previous incumbents on that side of the garage.

Encouraging to have just seen Tommy outside Dr.Costa's signaling to Suppo that Nicky appears to be o.k

Here comes the excuses. I remember Nicky Hayden himself saying he got on quite well with Ducati and his new crew chief.

My amateur comments:

1. Casey Stoner Ducati 1m55.286s - First as expected
2. Valentino Rossi Yamaha 1m55.759s + 0.473s - Is close enough to challenge for a win
3. Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1m55.783s + 0.497 -Nice job, but can he keep it up in the race?
4. Andrea Dovizioso Honda 1m55.977s + 0.691s - Honda getting faster after all, well done
5. Loris Capirossi Suzuki 1m56.149s + 0.863s - Potential for podium
6. Colin Edwards Yamaha 1m56.194s + 0.908s - More strong Yamaha performance.
7. Randy de Puniet Honda 1m56.358s + 1.072s - A bit surprised, but he'll be on sand anyway
8. Chris Vermeulen Suzuki 1m56.493s + 1.207s - Suzuki looking good, not far from his team mate.
9. Alex de Angelis Honda 1m56.790s + 1.504s - Not bad
10. Mika Kallio Ducati 1m56.852s + 1.566s - 2nd fastest Ducati, 'nuff said
11. Marco Melandri Kawasaki 1m56.962s + 1.676s - He's competetive for middle pack
12. Toni Elias Honda 1m57.225s + 1.939s - Decent, if only just.
13. James Toseland Yamaha 1m57.510s + 2.224s - Guess he's finding pace little by little
14. Dani Pedrosa Honda 1m57.729s + 2.443s - Whatever.
15. Sete Gibernau Ducati 1m57.899s + 2.613s - Maybe he has something to offer on an another track.
16. Nicky Hayden Ducati 1m58.215s + 2.929s - Tried hard, but it wasn't there.
17. Yuki Takahashi Honda 1m58.784s + 3.498s - Token Japanese
18. Niccolo Canepa Ducati 1m58.999s + 3.713s - That's just too slow dude.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Apr 12 2009, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I really feel that Ducati garage is very one sided. Casey's crew are very close knit, it's almost a clique around him. They communicate well, and Casey remarked immediately during his first season with Ducati that his crew were like a family.

The fact that the Ducati is so obviously sensitive, temperamental and has riders other than Stoner blindly chasing anything remotely approaching a decent setup suggests that rider feedback is imperative.

Interesting. Kallio's commented very positively towards his Pramac team. Pretty much saying similar things to close knit and family though not quite going that far. Also has commented how well they've been able to work through setup. Kallio's English isn't that good...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Apr 11 2009, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here comes the excuses. I remember Nicky Hayden himself saying he got on quite well with Ducati and his new crew chief.
You really are a dipshit aren't you. Read the post you dumb. How long have you been watching this sport? I'm not making excuses for Nicky or anyone on that side of the box, I'm just suggesting that there might be a translation issue amongst Nicky's crew, and by that I don't necessarily refer to the language barrier, but the translation of data. This may be a chronic problem that has hampered previous riders as well, (although Gibbers brought Juan Martinez with him - and wasn't Pupilan always with Cappers?).

Nicky's not about to openly proclaim that he doesn't get on with with his crew and his chief - that's not his way, and I'm not suggesting that he doesn't get on with them, that's not the issue - I'm not asking you to agree with my opinion, I may well be wrong, rather that you just understand it before you pass comment. Read the post again you plank.

Super Shinya I think I speak on behalf of this entire forum when I say that you rival Berry and Pinky in your ability to consistently deliver stunningly stupid uninformed posts. Well done.

Anyone got a linky to the highside?