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You're diverting again. Things said by people on the internet is not the issue. We're referencing the inexcusable behavior of philistine yellow-hatted trailer-trash (in the UK "Pikeys") at live racing events.

No, I'm not diverting... you simply hopped into a debate that you weren't part of and it seems you don't understand how it all started.

In Post #307, p4p1 stated a man on MotoGP's FB page posted that the Race Director should be killed because qualifying was canceled and Rossi had to start 13th.

The discussion (between p4p1 and myself) started about things that are said over the internet. birdman decided to jump into the debate crying about his Gods not being properly worshiped at races and how his personal policies were being violated. Then you decided to participate in a discussion you apparently didn't take the time to fully understand before adding your 2 cents. All the while JPS, the man who was caught celebrating on twitter because Rossi crashed out of a race last year has been co-signing any comments about how disrespecting racers is wrong. Just another typical day on motogpforum.com
 
Its just 1 race... put away the anointing oil!!!

We all new Maverick was fast, but lets wait and see how he does over the next couple races, some very different tracks lay ahead, lets see where things stand after COTA.

...and Ducati people need to calm down as well, Qatar was a very favorable track for the Ducati, but the bike is still slow in the corners and will not be as competitive at certain tracks.
 
No, I'm not diverting... you simply hopped into a debate that you weren't part of and it seems you don't understand how it all started.

In Post #307, p4p1 stated a man on MotoGP's FB page posted that the Race Director should be killed because qualifying was canceled and Rossi had to start 13th.

The discussion (between p4p1 and myself) started about things that are said over the internet. birdman decided to jump into the debate crying about his Gods not being properly worshiped at races and how his personal policies were being violated. Then you decided to participate in a discussion you apparently didn't take the time to fully understand before adding your 2 cents. All the while JPS, the man who was caught celebrating on twitter because Rossi crashed out of a race last year has been co-signing any comments about how disrespecting racers is wrong. Just another typical day on motogpforum.com

You're a ....... ...... I celebrated Rossi being out a title and waited till it was certain he was not injured. Don't let reality get in the way though.

You on the other hand have been disrespecting Lorenzo for quite awhile based upon nothing more than your own imagination.
 
If I'm at a race and I hear someone yelling ignorant or disrespectful .... at a rider, I'd simply ignore that person and go on with my day.


Only if the rider`s name isn't Valentino Rossi. If it is, then all hell break lose, be a man and admit it.
 
You're a ....... ...... I celebrated Rossi being out a title and waited till it was certain he was not injured. Don't let reality get in the way though.

You on the other hand have been disrespecting Lorenzo for quite awhile based upon nothing more than your own imagination.

I figured that bait would get under your skin. And no, Daniboy caught you... you were celebrating Rossi's crash.

You wont find comments from me trying to take credit away from Lorenzo's accomplishments. There's certainly no shortage of comments from you disrespecting, Rossi, Vinales...hell any rider not named Stoner.
 
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Only if the rider`s name isn't Valentino Rossi. If it is, then all hell break lose, be a man and admit it.

Be a man and admit "all hell will break lose" if someone yelled out something disrespectful at Rossi?? Have you not been exposed to anything outside of the world of motorcycle racing? If so, why would someone yelling a stupid comment at a rider be something that triggered you? There are far far better things to get worked up about if you're going to emotional over something.
 
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I figured that bait would get under your skin. And no, Daniboy caught you... you were celebrating Rossi's crash.

You wont find comments from me trying to take credit away from Lorenzo's accomplishments. There's certainly no shortage of comments from you disrespecting, Rossi, Vinales...hell any rider not named Stoner.

Again, you're a ....... ...... I celebrated Rossi losing another title.

Who said anything about Lorenzo's accomplishments? You have been out here for awhile saying that Lorenzo doesn't try in the rain even though nothing ever supported your ........ claim. I got the distinct impression that you would only be happy if Lorenzo crashed out in the rain so you could feel his effort was appropriate.
 
Again, you're a ....... ...... I celebrated Rossi losing another title.

Who said anything about Lorenzo's accomplishments? You have been out here for awhile saying that Lorenzo doesn't try in the rain even though nothing ever supported your ........ claim. I got the distinct impression that you would only be happy if Lorenzo crashed out in the rain so you could feel his effort was appropriate.

You can attempt to backtrack and claim you were celebrating Rossi losing the title, but you're not fooling anyone. It's no different then claiming you're disgusted if you see a Rossi fan celebrating Marquez crash out of a race. MAYBE he's only celebrating Marquez failing to score points, but doesn't wish him any harm?? You should know all about wishing riders harm, you renew your hope for Dovi to break his leg at COTA this year so maybe Stoner will ride?

I said I don't believe Lorenzo was trying at Assen 2016, not that he never tries in the rain. Are you having difficulty debating me on this and that's why you need to twist my words? Am I not allowed to have an opinion on Lorenzo's performance at Assen? I never said everyone needs to share my opinion. You're the main disrespectful poster on this website that consistently tries to take credit away from riders when they do well.
 
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You can attempt to backtrack and claim you were celebrating Rossi losing the title, but you're not fooling anyone. It's no different then claiming you're disgusted if you see a Rossi fan celebrating Marquez crash out of a race. MAYBE he's only celebrating Marquez failing to score points, but doesn't wish him any harm??

I said I don't believe Lorenzo was trying at Assen 2016, not that he never tries in the rain. Are you having difficulty debating me on this and that's why you need to twist my words? Am I not allowed to have an opinion on Lorenzo's performance at Assen? I never said everyone needs to share my opinion. Still the difference remains, you're the main disrespectful poster on this website that consistently tries to take credit away from when they do well.

Backtrack? LOL. I stated this from the get-go. Not my fault you can't deal with it.

Marquez had the title clinched prior to Sepang last season. When he crashed out, there was plenty of active celebration over it. That had nothing to do with him losing points as he already had the title in hand.



Care to offer any rebuke on this?

You're entitled to whatever opinion you want to hold, but at least make a compelling case for it...something you repeatedly fail to do across a number of topics. Lorenzo said he had no feel in the tires and it's something he repeatedly complained about in the cooler wet weather races, something even Rossi complained about...a fact that often flew over your head. But considering Lorenzo finished 10th in the race, I'd say he put forth a great effort in unfavorable conditions. Oh and if you mean the first half of the race which was red-flagged due to dangerous conditions, try not losing sight of the fact that the race was red-flagged.

As far as disrespectful? I've made my opinions known and I flesh them out. Hell I've even walked back positions and admitted to being wrong on things. Something I have never seen you do. But I'm glad you're so bothered by my opinions because I'll keep throwing the high heat near your head. Don't like it? Get the .... off the forum. I also like how you leave out how I fleshed out what my thoughts are about Vinales just a few hours ago. I explicitly stated it had more to do with some other factors and that the body of work involved is too small to be making the kind of moronic proclamations that have been made since he signed with Yamaha. Arrab had you pegged when he said you wasted no time attaching your flag to Vinales for the latest round of glory-hunting.
 
No, I'm not diverting... you simply hopped into a debate that you weren't part of and it seems you don't understand how it all started.

In Post #307, p4p1 stated a man on MotoGP's FB page posted that the Race Director should be killed because qualifying was canceled and Rossi had to start 13th.

The discussion (between p4p1 and myself) started about things that are said over the internet. birdman decided to jump into the debate crying about his Gods not being properly worshiped at races and how his personal policies were being violated. Then you decided to participate in a discussion you apparently didn't take the time to fully understand before adding your 2 cents. All the while JPS, the man who was caught celebrating on twitter because Rossi crashed out of a race last year has been co-signing any comments about how disrespecting racers is wrong. Just another typical day on motogpforum.com

Nonsense - I've read the thread. It centers on the inexcusable behavior exhibited by the majority of Rossi fans. This topic has discussed endlessly here for over a decade.

If anything - it's yourself who's just barely dipped your toe into the river of .... that is the Rossi fan-boi mind-set so repugnant to long time devotees of the sport - as opposed to those who are callow celebrity followers with a thin veneer of what feebly passes for knowledge of racing and the spirit of racing.
 
I figured that bait would get under your skin. And no, Daniboy caught you... you were celebrating Rossi's crash.

You wont find comments from me trying to take credit away from Lorenzo's accomplishments. There's certainly no shortage of comments from you disrespecting, Rossi, Vinales...hell any rider not named Stoner.

Baiting... your own word - right? And who goes on internet forums to bait people? What the word? Uh... starts with a T. :rolleyes:
 
Lorenzo left Yamaha because he got tired of dealing with Rossi and all the ........ that comes with it. 3 world championships and scores of races won, and what does Yamaha do in 2015? Cancel the party for Lorenzo so as to not offend Rossi. Imagine that...you just won one of the most closely contested championships in history against your own teammate, and your team thanks you by canceling the championship party.
The after season party was cancelled by Movistar (not Yamaha) after Sepang when Rossi was still leading the pts table.

Sure the money no doubt factored in as well since Yamaha had the gall to offer him and Rossi identical contracts in spite of Lorenzo winning more grands prix and championships since 2010. That's insane.
Where did you read about 'identical contracts'? They were offered contracts at the same time, not for the same value.

Yamaha offered Lorenzo, the best contract of his career, involving much more money than they were paying Rossi. (Source: Lorenzo)

He made the decision he thought was best at the expense of winning races and titles just to get away from Rossi/Yamaha. That says a ton about what Yamaha really stands for. Some posters here of course think Yamaha is the perfect team environment even though nothing really indicates this.
Yamaha stands for winning - and what they were offering Lorenzo is equal technical say in the development of a bike that could fight for the championship. There's never been a familial environment at Yamaha - Spies could testify to that.

Yamaha is all business and bottomline. Which probably works well for Lorenzo - since he's rather business-like himself.

Its different in Rossi's side of the garage, where he's insulated from Yamaha by a close knit squad that's part of the VR46 marque rather than YRT and will probably move to the VR46 satellite squad when its finally up and running.

Its possible that Lorenzo, now nearly 30 years old, would like to spend the latter part of his career, in a warmer environment with less of the perform-or-perish attitude of Yamaha. That may have been a factor - along with the money, the presence of Dall'igna & Gabbarini and a bike that Dovizioso had just taken second on at Qatar '16 (and had scored 4 podiums on in 2015).
 
Just finished reading through the past few pages, while some may get annoyed by the debates I actually quite like reading the differences of opinions to see all sides (with the exception to those that seem to go overboard on BOTH sides of the Rossi fence).

I'm really happy that the season is back up and running. I'm looking forward to the American leg of the championship as Id love to see some battles with Marquez and Vinales purely for the entertainment (i like both of those riders equally so wouldnt be phased by who 'wins')
 
Cal swiped his rear in turn one. 1 collision and 2 crashes after round 1. Clearly he is trying to beat his own record in cash total carnage for the season.

Apparently his throttle stuck open and caused the second crash. But I did chuckle when he was the first crasher of the season.
 
The after season party was cancelled by Movistar (not Yamaha) after Sepang when Rossi was still leading the pts table.


Where did you read about 'identical contracts'? They were offered contracts at the same time, not for the same value.

Yamaha offered Lorenzo, the best contract of his career, involving much more money than they were paying Rossi. (Source: Lorenzo)


Yamaha stands for winning - and what they were offering Lorenzo is equal technical say in the development of a bike that could fight for the championship. There's never been a familial environment at Yamaha - Spies could testify to that.

Yamaha is all business and bottomline. Which probably works well for Lorenzo - since he's rather business-like himself.

Its different in Rossi's side of the garage, where he's insulated from Yamaha by a close knit squad that's part of the VR46 marque rather than YRT and will probably move to the VR46 satellite squad when its finally up and running.

Its possible that Lorenzo, now nearly 30 years old, would like to spend the latter part of his career, in a warmer environment with less of the perform-or-perish attitude of Yamaha. That may have been a factor - along with the money, the presence of Dall'igna & Gabbarini and a bike that Dovizioso had just taken second on at Qatar '16 (and had scored 4 podiums on in 2015).

Oh, I'm sorry I meant equal contracts as in no one rider had number one status....even though Lorenzo should have had defacto number one status in that team.

Yamaha doesn't stand for winning entirely. Yamaha is 'yellow in the heart' at the end of the day. Lorenzo had enough of their blatant favoritism ........ towards Rossi that came at his expense. Sepang 2015 and Rossi's cockamamie conspiracy theories also factored into it as well as Yamaha showed Lorenzo no loyalty that one would have expected them to show their newly crowned world champion. Here's something to read.

With some justification: whatever your view of Rossi's claims about Márquez' actions, Lorenzo had no part in them. Yet Lorenzo was implicated, and treated by fans and the Italian media as if he had some part in a wider Spanish plot. The charge was that he and Márquez had conspired to defraud Rossi of the 2015 title. All Lorenzo had done was be the fastest man on the grid, and win the most races. He had no part of the feud between Rossi and Márquez.

Above all, Yamaha conspicuously failed to defend Lorenzo. The Japanese factory tried to treat the affair as a dispute between Rossi and Márquez, ignoring the fact that Lorenzo's honor was being impugned by implication. Yamaha management did not stand up to Valentino Rossi, and try to tell him to leave Lorenzo out of the battle. They canceled events planned to celebrate what was otherwise an incredibly successful season for the factory. The events of October and November spawned a monster, and Yamaha top brass failed to slay it.

Lorenzo must feel that his championship went unmarked. That must feel totally unacceptable to the Spaniard. Understandably so: the achievements of both Yamaha riders in 2015 were incredible. Rossi, for a brilliant season in which he led nearly all the way to the final race of the year, at an age when most racers are washed up and finished. Lorenzo, for putting in some utterly dominant performances to overcome what looked at times like an insurmountable deficit. If they were not teammates, they both would have been feted beyond imagination by their teams.

Yamaha failed to honor Lorenzo's achievements, for fear of offending his teammate. As difficult a situation as they found themselves in, not to celebrate Lorenzo's title was an act of cowardice. If Lorenzo goes on to beat both his replacement and Rossi on the Ducati, it will prove to be a very expensive act of cowardice indeed.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2016/04/18/lorenzo_to_ducati_why_it_happened_and.html

You were saying that Yamaha canceled nothing? Yamaha went out of their way to appease Rossi in every imaginable way over what amounted to a fictitious story. That's as familial as you will get; overlooking the flaws or outright horrific behavior that the one you love engages in.
 
Be honest, who thought Zarco would maintain his early lead & pace?
I did. For a while anyway. Wouldn't have thought the same if it were Rins or Folger or Bautista but Zarco's a different story if you've watched him in Moto2.

He's always been strong on used tyres and he's diligently trained on used tyres in every test. While he doesn't have a great record at Qatar (unlike Folger) he was fast in practice over race distance. And he's not someone who crashes easy - this was his first crash on the M1, I think (or maybe second?).
 
Oh, I'm sorry I meant equal contracts as in no one rider had number one status....even though Lorenzo should have had defacto number one status in that team.
Rossi 'should' have had #1 status in 2009 & 2010. But YRT was clear - if the #2 rider was competitive he should receive comparable treatment.

Rossi returned to Yamaha as the #2 rider, but between 2014-2016 proved himself to be as competitive as Lorenzo and earned the right to be treated at par.

Yamaha doesn't stand for winning entirely. Yamaha is 'yellow in the heart' at the end of the day. Lorenzo had enough of their blatant favoritism ........ towards Rossi that came at his expense.
Yamaha are still the team that showed Rossi (then champion two years running) the door in 2010.

As far as 2015 is concerned, Yamaha treated their feud as a matter between two individuals. If Lorenzo were a rookie it might have been different, but as a veteran rider coming into his 10th year in the premier class, they probably assumed he didn't need Jarvis holding his hand or telling off Rossi. His race results didn't seem to suffer in the least.

Yamaha have always treated me very well from when I joined the team in 2008. They gave me all the support on and off the bike. I have everything. In the first year compared with Valentino I had the Michelin tyres, so this aspect was different. But since 2009, from Brno, I've had exactly the same treatment as Valentino. Maybe before just one piece [on the bike] was different, but 99.9% was equal. From Brno 2009 we have had exactly the same treatment and now - as always - Yamaha always listens to the comments not only of the official riders, but also the Tech 3 riders to improve the bike. So I don't think they treat one rider differently to the others." - Lorenzo (Oct 2014)

You were saying that Yamaha canceled nothing?
The celebration was cancelled by Movistar. If you'd say that Movistar sponsors YRT and that should be counted as a team cancellation, okay. But it was still cancelled a week before the final race in Valencia, when Rossi was leading the pts table and could have won if say... Lorenzo had DNFed there.
 
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Rossi 'should' have had #1 status in 2009 & 2010. But YRT was clear - if the #2 rider was competitive he should receive comparable treatment.

Rossi returned to Yamaha as the #2 rider, but between 2014-2016 proved himself to be as competitive as Lorenzo and earned the right to be treated at par.


Yamaha are still the team that showed Rossi (then champion two years running) the door in 2010.

As far as 2015 is concerned, Yamaha treated their feud as a matter between two adult riders. If Lorenzo were a rookie it might have been different, but as a veteran rider coming into his 10th year in the premier class, they probably assumed he didn't need Jarvis holding his hand.


The celebration was cancelled by Movistar. If you'd say that Movistar sponsors YRT and should be counted as a team cancellation, okay. But it was still cancelled a week before the final race in Valencia, when Rossi was still leading the pts table and could still have won if say... Lorenzo had DNFed.

Circumstances have changed drastically since 2009 and 2010. This is not when Lorenzo was a 2nd year rider and Rossi was 29-30 years old and still at his peak.

Yamaha did not show Rossi the door in 2010. Do not even attempt to engage in that kind of ........ revisionist history.

Direct quote from Rossi:

“Maybe I did a mistake in 2010 to move from Yamaha because I wanted to be the number one rider and when Jorge arrived he was treated equally to me,” he said. So I didn't like this [and left for Ducati]. But it was a mistake.

MotoGP News - MotoGP: Rossi: Mistake to leave Yamaha over No.1 status

He wanted to be the number one rider, didn't get it, and left.

Yamaha went out of their way to back Rossi and do everything to appease him while they gave Lorenzo the middle finger and did not celebrate his championship as they would have had Sepang 2015 never occurred.

Again, you still aren't getting that the article was not referring to Movistar. The "they" refers to Yamaha. If it meant Movistar only, it would have said so.

Do me a favor, don't start becoming ignorant and obtuse to reality.
 
The after season party was cancelled by Movistar (not Yamaha) after Sepang when Rossi was still leading the pts table.


Where did you read about 'identical contracts'? They were offered contracts at the same time, not for the same value.

Yamaha offered Lorenzo, the best contract of his career, involving much more money than they were paying Rossi. (Source: Lorenzo)


Yamaha stands for winning - and what they were offering Lorenzo is equal technical say in the development of a bike that could fight for the championship. There's never been a familial environment at Yamaha - Spies could testify to that.

Yamaha is all business and bottomline. Which probably works well for Lorenzo - since he's rather business-like himself.

Its different in Rossi's side of the garage, where he's insulated from Yamaha by a close knit squad that's part of the VR46 marque rather than YRT and will probably move to the VR46 satellite squad when its finally up and running.

Its possible that Lorenzo, now nearly 30 years old, would like to spend the latter part of his career, in a warmer environment with less of the perform-or-perish attitude of Yamaha. That may have been a factor - along with the money, the presence of Dall'igna & Gabbarini and a bike that Dovizioso had just taken second on at Qatar '16 (and had scored 4 podiums on in 2015).

It's possible Lorenzo would like to do any number of things. However... if all he wanted was a less demanding lifestyle - he's hugely wealthy and could afford to .... off to his own private island.

We've all seen how many times he (and many other well-paid racers) has been grievously injured, doctored up and returned to the fight. The guy is a racer and racers want to win. The challenge of racing is what defines these guys. It's who they are.

Given his track record with Yamaha - he should have had final say over Rossi who turned his back on them and then used Carmelo's influence to force them to take him back. By all rights - the rider who brings home the most constructor's championship winning points should be the one to head development. Two riders with different riding styles cannot co-design the same bike. It's never to my knowledge worked that way in any factory effort.
 

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