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Cant remember that happen

It was back in 2009, rained on the Sunday so they held the race on Monday.
According to Kropo the Monday night is in consideration for the race again so I was wrong in saying it wouldn't happen again.
 
I'd be genuinely very interested to hear your views on this. Incidentally, don't Trelleborg specialised in automotive seals - pistons and rods, engine mounts and suspension? Are you working in conjunction with vibracoustic? Everytime I've visited San Francisco I've always been fascinated by the tuned mass dampers/harmonic absorbers on the skyscrapers - the same in Tokyo. It's the unprotected five or six brick storey brick buildings hastily assembled in the 20s and 30s that are so lethal though. Are Trelleborg also involved in civil engineering?

So, what's in the box Doc? I'm favouring non-isentropic 'stimulation'.
Those skyscraper dampers are ....... mental. I need to look upnhow the hell they get such massive weights up there (dunno what construction cranes are capable of lifting...no, I'm not CivilEng)
I've personally designed a whole 2 mass damper in my life. Extremely sophisticated they were, too. Two chunks of cast iron and 2 bolts to hold them together. But I did have to determine the best location and minimise the mass....wowee. Now I leave it to the experts, especially where the mass is suspended.
Mass dampers are crude, but effective. The goal is to use them as an...I dunno...anti-node ?(refer to #22's graph). But they need to be tuned to the frequency in question. Basically (for the ones I use) you have a mass mounted on some polymer nipples, you adjust the size and stiffness of the nipples (oo er!) to tune to the frequency that is of concern.
Space and mass constraints limit what you can achieve; they can add to the problem, instead of countering it. It's not that hard, but harmonics/vibration/etc do my head in. Hence, let the likes of Trell do the sums and present the graphs, while I nod knowledgeably..
 
I wouldn't put much stock in that article. Jounce is merely upward wheel movement, but journo gotta baffle with ......... Chatter isn't "resonances" in the chassis, etc exciting the tyre, if anything it's the other way around. The Rainey anecdote is pretty interesting, though.

Seeing what Gigi has tried to do the past couple of years, I'm not writing off the movement of the electronics as being tied into trying to fix a chatter issue. But the front end was chattering on the GP17's so I don't know what's going on with that bike other than that it's another year, another Ducati that's not going to be the easiest of bikes. Is Ducati simply running too much dampening on their front suspension to try and keep it stable at high speed now that the winglets are gone...or at least till they are ready to use that aero fairing?
 
Seeing what Gigi has tried to do the past couple of years, I'm not writing off the movement of the electronics as being tied into trying to fix a chatter issue. But the front end was chattering on the GP17's so I don't know what's going on with that bike other than that it's another year, another Ducati that's not going to be the easiest of bikes. Is Ducati simply running too much dampening on their front suspension to try and keep it stable at high speed now that the winglets are gone...or at least till they are ready to use that aero fairing?
Watching Redding's front end bounce about and the pitbox gesticulating from JL makes me think you may be right about the wings assisting in front end stability. Definitely looks hairy.
The crap thing is that we are unlikely to see another of those JL so-.......-smooth-but-so-.......-fast laps that drop your jaw.
 
Seeing what Gigi has tried to do the past couple of years, I'm not writing off the movement of the electronics as being tied into trying to fix a chatter issue. But the front end was chattering on the GP17's so I don't know what's going on with that bike other than that it's another year, another Ducati that's not going to be the easiest of bikes. Is Ducati simply running too much dampening on their front suspension to try and keep it stable at high speed now that the winglets are gone...or at least till they are ready to use that aero fairing?

Yeah... after all the advance notice press releases etc... I was disappointed to not to see it at the practices. Still fine-tuning it I suppose.
 
Watching Redding's front end bounce about and the pitbox gesticulating from JL makes me think you may be right about the wings assisting in front end stability. Definitely looks hairy.
The crap thing is that we are unlikely to see another of those JL so-.......-smooth-but-so-.......-fast laps that drop your jaw.

The last bit is what I will miss.

RIP Jorge Lorenzo 2008-2016.

I understand fully why he left Yamaha, but man, that bike of all options? Who knows maybe all of his knowledge of Yamaha will somehow give Ducati a way to get the GP18 more in line with what Lorenzo needs.
 
Yeah... after all the advance notice press releases etc... I was disappointed to not to see it at the practices. Still fine-tuning it I suppose.

Ducati still hasn't homologated it opting to do so for their standard 2017 fairing. They can have two fairings plus their 2016 one. Crash had a good article on the whole thing...

Update: Yamaha and Aprilia, like Suzuki, have homologated their special fairing -
but they do not plan to use it this weekend. Honda, like Ducati, have not yet homologated a special fairing.

As a follow-up to yesterday's story about homologated fairings for the 2017 MotoGP season, some interesting details have emerged of Ducati's aerodynamic strategy.

Manufacturers have responded to the ban on external winglets by testing special fairing designs that 'integrate' (cover) the aerodynamic devices, to try and restore some of the lost downforce, but are now also restricted to just one in-season fairing update.


Thursday in Qatar was the deadline to homologate the first of the two 2017 fairings, which can be used alongside a (wingless) 2016 version.

Suzuki was the only manufacturer to use a special 'winglet' fairing during Thursday practice, meaning it was unclear which fairings had been homologated by the other manufacturers (Honda, Yamaha, Ducati and Aprilia - KTM is exempt).

But Crash.net understands that Ducati opted not to homologate the radical 'hammerhead' or 'F1'-style fairing used during the recent pre-season test and instead chose to homologate a newer (2017) version of its standard fairing.

That fairing was then used by Jorge Lorenzo, Andrea Dovizioso and Danilo Petrucci during Thursday practice. While the rules allow Ducati to also use its Valencia 2016 fairing design, if they wish, bike changes mean the 2016 fairing is not compatible with the GP17.

It seems the Ducati 'F1' fairing did not work as planned during the Qatar test, causing a 10km/h reduction in top speed and additional cornering difficulties.

The fairing will thus undergo further development before potentially being homologated for use later in the season, as the team's one in-season update.

Until then, Ducati - which pioneered the modern era of MotoGP winglets - will have to compete without any downforce devices on its bikes.

MotoGP News - MotoGP Qatar: Ducati yet to homologate 'F1' fairing

The F1 fairing dropped top speed and created cornering difficulties. Not surprised about the top speed at all since that fairing looked to be trading off slipperiness/top speed for downforce/drag/low speed. The cornering thing is interesting to me as I wonder what the specific issue in cornering is. I wonder if the way the air is flowing through it, if it's creating turning problems and/or stability when you go to lean the bike over. Maybe the real question is whether that fairing even gets used or not. If it doesn't, then obviously Ducati is going to have to figure out how to make that bike work through mechanics and not aero. Marquez would have been perfect for that bike sadly.
 
With that kind of top speed loss - I think it's fair to say it would adversely affect the bike in multiple ways. I suspect that we won't see it again in that extreme iteration.

Re: Marquez on the Duc: been quietly speculating on what he'd do ever since 2013. But of course - Honda had their hooks in him well before that. Maybe just as well. Ducati most likely would have used him the way they did Stoner, and prematurely burned him out.
 
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Brad smith why the hell would you go from being in top 10 most races to a team that's not going to get you in the top 20 I know he lost his contract but I'm sure he's better than that [emoji848]
Looking forward to this season I'd love to see Rossi win championship this year [emoji965][emoji469][emoji469]


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Brad smith why the hell would you go from being in top 10 most races to a team that's not going to get you in the top 20 I know he lost his contract but I'm sure he's better than that [emoji848]
Looking forward to this season I'd love to see Rossi win championship this year [emoji965][emoji469][emoji469]


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Factory ride. He might be 20th this season but you bet your ... in a year or two that team will be at least up with T3. Plus, Satellite bikes always do well early in the season, but they remain static while other bikes get developed.
 
Agree with you#22 but just think smith deserves a better ride that's all
Good second for McPhee in moto3 #welldone


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Agree with you#22 but just think smith deserves a better ride that's all
Good second for Joe mama in moto3 #welldone


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Edit your post dude. No moto 2 or 3 spoilers in the GP thread. A lot of us can't watch support races live.
#notverywelldone
 
Problems with rain in a country which has about 2 days worth of it in a year.
 

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