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WTF? Does anybody care?



Duc is .........

BMW is .....

Great race 2.



Where is everybody?
 
WTF? Does anybody care?



Duc is .........

BMW is .....

Great race 2.



Where is everybody?



Looking forward to Dosoli taking over as team manager at BMW. Hopefully he can get that project back on track and running up the front in 2012.

Good to see Johnny Rea somewhere near the front again.



Anyone see Gino Rea's save in turn two of World SS ? Quality !!!!!
 
checa to bmw italia?



i also wonder where laverty will end up next year

Laverty to Aprillia. He did the smart thing and rejected BMW. I hav to support Beemer cuz my fav rider, Haslam rides for them. But im afraid it will be as painful as supporting Nicky in GP. Though like Wilski says, hope burns eternal.



Go BMW...
 
Laverty to Aprillia. He did the smart thing and rejected BMW. I hav to support Beemer cuz my fav rider, Haslam rides for them. But im afraid it will be as painful as supporting Nicky in GP. Though like Wilski says, hope burns eternal.



Go BMW...

as biaggis teammate?what does that mean for camier?a 2nd pata aprilia?



come on, you can't be serious comparing bmw to ducati gp.

as soon as the bikes are not as dependant on electronics as they are now the bmw will be the fastest bike out there

(i find it absurd that regulary the fastest bikes are the rsv4 and the r1, the two least powerful superbikes on the market...)
 
I watched the races and was gonna discuss them earlier, but after what happened at Vegas with Dan Wheldon it kinda killed my racing buzz. But I still have some thoughts on WSBK.



-I hope Checa doesn't dominante next year.



-Chaz Davies will win races.



-Sam Lowes needs to stop crashing.



-I know he has been injured, but Biaggi looked... tired on that bike and has done a lot of the time this year. He wont win another title.



-Camier is too tall for the Aprillia.



-Haslam and Melandri? If BMW don't win next year they are the new Kawasaki.
 
come on, you can't be serious comparing bmw to ducati gp.

as soon as the bikes are not as dependant on electronics as they are now the bmw will be the fastest bike out there



Well buddy, after consulting with people much more knowledgable than me, I think there haven't been any changes to electronics this coming year, so BMW, as powerful a bike as it is, it will still look midpack with two awesome riders on it...sound familiar... (think DucatiGP).
 
Watched race 2 and ... I dunno, couldn't get excited. Especially knowing that Checa had the title in hand.

Am looking forward to seeing what Aoyama can can do on a competitive bike.
 
Watched race 2 and ... I dunno, couldn't get excited. Especially knowing that Checa had the title in hand.

Am looking forward to seeing what Aoyama can can do on a competitive bike.

Check your pulse. It was more exciting because no title was on the balance, knowing that they were racing for pride in the last hooray.
 
Well buddy, after consulting with people much more knowledgable than me, I think there haven't been any changes to electronics this coming year, so BMW, as powerful a bike as it is, it will still look midpack with two awesome riders on it...sound familiar... (think DucatiGP).



i think its inevitable that superstock will replace the current regulations rather sooner than later..maybe as soon as 2013 is my best guess, it all depends on how the crt bikes perform
 
i think its inevitable that superstock will replace the current regulations rather sooner than later..maybe as soon as 2013 is my best guess, it all depends on how the crt bikes perform

If I was Wsbk management, I'd try to increase performance while GP is decreasing theirs. Then start to claim that Wsbk is the premiere racing series in the world. Just like a big FU to them. Why not, GP pretty much stole their "supersport" series.
 
you sound like pov
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In an effort to cheer you up, Jum, the rumor I've heard is there is a possibility BMW will switch to Magenti Marelli electronics next season and ditch their in-house project. I don't have a link, and I can't for the life of me remember who was saying it, but the rumor is out there.



Further, I firmly believe that BSB is the testbed for WSB with regard to rules changes. The single-bike rule has worked very well in BSB. I'm not sure how much money it's saved, but it certainly hasn't been too much of a hindrance to teams. And that rule will be adopted in WSB this coming season.



This coming season in BSB, they will adopt a hybrid of their current rules and the 2011 EVO rules. Those rules will limit engine development and will implement a spec ECU. I can tell you that through this two rules, teams can look to cut nearly 40 percent of their budget by eliminating electronic and a large portion of engine development. This is the approach that Stuart Higgs took in Supersport this season and it was hugely successful. Much larger grids and great racing, I don't see any reason why it won't be successful in BSB. If it's successful in BSB, I'd be surprised if WSB doesn't implement these regulations in 2013.
 
In an effort to cheer you up, Jum, the rumor I've heard is there is a possibility BMW will switch to Magenti Marelli electronics next season and ditch their in-house project. I don't have a link, and I can't for the life of me remember who was saying it, but the rumor is out there.



Further, I firmly believe that BSB is the testbed for WSB with regard to rules changes. The single-bike rule has worked very well in BSB. I'm not sure how much money it's saved, but it certainly hasn't been too much of a hindrance to teams. And that rule will be adopted in WSB this coming season.



This coming season in BSB, they will adopt a hybrid of their current rules and the 2011 EVO rules. Those rules will limit engine development and will implement a spec ECU. I can tell you that through this two rules, teams can look to cut nearly 40 percent of their budget by eliminating electronic and a large portion of engine development. This is the approach that Stuart Higgs took in Supersport this season and it was hugely successful. Much larger grids and great racing, I don't see any reason why it won't be successful in BSB. If it's successful in BSB, I'd be surprised if WSB doesn't implement these regulations in 2013.



I think AMA and BSB are both test beds. No doubt IMS have stronger ties to MSVR than DMG, but both series are performing vital testing. AMA is true Supersport tuning, and they've had a fixed rev limit for a while, imo. BSB is a hybrid of Supersport engine rules and SBK chassis rules. Both series are testing some interesting electronics rules as well. DMG is free programming on homologated hardware. BSB is spec-ECU with few tuning "strategies".



The big cost in WSBK is suspension, electronics, engine internals, and engine tuning. Between AMA and BSB, they've addressed everything. Fixed rev limit and homologated engine internals will "fix" WSBK, but it will be interesting to see how far Bridgepoint/IMS go.
 
I think AMA and BSB are both test beds. No doubt IMS have stronger ties to MSVR than DMG, but both series are performing vital testing. AMA is true Supersport tuning, and they've had a fixed rev limit for a while, imo. BSB is a hybrid of Supersport engine rules and SBK chassis rules. Both series are testing some interesting electronics rules as well. DMG is free programming on homologated hardware. BSB is spec-ECU with few tuning "strategies".



The big cost in WSBK is suspension, electronics, engine internals, and engine tuning. Between AMA and BSB, they've addressed everything. Fixed rev limit and homologated engine internals will "fix" WSBK, but it will be interesting to see how far Bridgepoint/IMS go.

You're right. I know for a fact that WSB is monitoring what the AMA is doing with their rules and how successful they are with on-track product and fan reception. But like you said, I believe the ties are closer with BSB and I would be surprised if WSB had much of an interest in going away from a Superbike chassis.
 

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