Pneumatic Dani for Indy

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...ic_at_indy.html

Well I'd say goodbye he's going to do well, and it is a 3 way battle for the win....and the winner is going to be on Bridgestones that is almost a given...

At least Nicky may get some proper Pneumatic upgrades developement from now on....or not....depends on any other announcements made this weekend.

BTW....Has anyone considered Spies getting a Repsol ride in 2009?

This reminds me of the end of 2005. Honda had great developments in the pipeline, they refused to race them, they went to great lengths to make sure everyone knew Max was testing, then after Vale clinched they released the updates. The last 3 rounds of the season Nicky and Marco smoked Vale on the 2006 spec. Furthermore, Honda had a struggling lame duck testing in both instances. Biaggi in 2005 and the lame duck in 2008 is Nick.

This release makes no sense. Over and over again Honda goes to great lengths to prove the technology isn't ready, Okada raced it at Mugello and gave it a miserable review, Nicky has been at his wits end trying to get the electronics sorted, then suddenly Honda race it.

Perhaps I've spoken prematurely, but if Dani starts going really well with the new motor, I'm going to have serious questions for Honda and DORNA.

I have long suspected technology suppression. It doesn't make any sense that Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Suzuki would all adapt easily to the same decades old F1 technology, while Honda, a company that currently races in F1, can't get the pneumo sorted for this season.

Hard to believe, indeed. Just as it was difficult to believe that the bike Max was racing in 2005 was the parent bike of the 2006 spec that Nicky and Marco got at the end of the 2005 season.

I'm beginning to think that my fuel prediction is wrong, and that this entire pneumatic drama has been a red herring for the tabloids. Perhaps the pneumatic bike was never meant to run Michelins?

OMG how the f- did they know they were getting Bridgestones?! I thought Fukui wanted Michelin?! I thought Honda weren't allowed to test Brigestones, they have a contract with Michelin

Wake up, you naive little sheep!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 8 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This reminds me of the end of 2005. Honda had great developments in the pipeline, they refused to race them, they went to great lengths to make sure everyone knew Max was testing, then after Vale clinched they released the updates. The last 3 rounds of the season Nicky and Marco smoked Vale on the 2006 spec. Furthermore, Honda had a struggling lame duck testing in both instances. Biaggi in 2005 and the lame duck in 2008 is Nick.

This release makes no sense. Over and over again Honda goes to great lengths to prove the technology isn't ready, Okada raced it at Mugello and gave it a miserable review, Nicky has been at his wits end trying to get the electronics sorted, then suddenly Honda race it.

Perhaps I've spoken prematurely, but if Dani starts going really well with the new motor, I'm going to have serious questions for Honda and DORNA.

I have long suspected technology suppression. It doesn't make any sense that Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Suzuki would all adapt easily to the same decades old F1 technology, while Honda, a company that currently races in F1, can't get the pneumo sorted for this season.

Hard to believe, indeed. Just as it was difficult to believe that the bike Max was racing in 2005 was the parent bike of the 2006 spec that Nicky and Marco got at the end of the 2005 season.

I'm beginning to think that my fuel prediction is wrong, and that this entire pneumatic drama has been a red herring for the tabloids. Perhaps the pneumatic bike was never meant to run Michelins?

OMG how the f- did they know they were getting Bridgestones?! I thought Fukui wanted Michelin?! I thought Honda weren't allowed to test Brigestones, they have a contract with Michelin

Wake up, you naive little sheep!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 8 2008, 08:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This reminds me of the end of 2005. Honda had great developments in the pipeline, they refused to race them, they went to great lengths to make sure everyone knew Max was testing, then after Vale clinched they released the updates. The last 3 rounds of the season Nicky and Marco smoked Vale on the 2006 spec. Furthermore, Honda had a struggling lame duck testing in both instances. Biaggi in 2005 and the lame duck in 2008 is Nick.

This release makes no sense. Over and over again Honda goes to great lengths to prove the technology isn't ready, Okada raced it at Mugello and gave it a miserable review, Nicky has been at his wits end trying to get the electronics sorted, then suddenly Honda race it.

Perhaps I've spoken prematurely, but if Dani starts going really well with the new motor, I'm going to have serious questions for Honda and DORNA.

I have long suspected technology suppression. It doesn't make any sense that Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Suzuki would all adapt easily to the same decades old F1 technology, while Honda, a company that currently races in F1, can't get the pneumo sorted for this season.

Hard to believe, indeed. Just as it was difficult to believe that the bike Max was racing in 2005 was the parent bike of the 2006 spec that Nicky and Marco got at the end of the 2005 season.

I'm beginning to think that my fuel prediction is wrong, and that this entire pneumatic drama has been a red herring for the tabloids. Perhaps the pneumatic bike was never meant to run Michelins?

OMG how the f- did they know they were getting Bridgestones?! I thought Fukui wanted Michelin?! I thought Honda weren't allowed to test Brigestones, they have a contract with Michelin

Wake up, you naive little sheep!
What you're saying makes sense i think.If all was fine Honda would have had a great working pneumo engine a long time ago.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 9 2008, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have long suspected technology suppression. It doesn't make any sense that Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Suzuki would all adapt easily to the same decades old F1 technology, while Honda, a company that currently races in F1, can't get the pneumo sorted for this season.

But Honda is .... in F1 too

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 8 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This reminds me of the end of 2005. Honda had great developments in the pipeline, they refused to race them, they went to great lengths to make sure everyone knew Max was testing, then after Vale clinched they released the updates. The last 3 rounds of the season Nicky and Marco smoked Vale on the 2006 spec. Furthermore, Honda had a struggling lame duck testing in both instances. Biaggi in 2005 and the lame duck in 2008 is Nick.

This release makes no sense. Over and over again Honda goes to great lengths to prove the technology isn't ready, Okada raced it at Mugello and gave it a miserable review, Nicky has been at his wits end trying to get the electronics sorted, then suddenly Honda race it.

Perhaps I've spoken prematurely, but if Dani starts going really well with the new motor, I'm going to have serious questions for Honda and DORNA.

I have long suspected technology suppression. It doesn't make any sense that Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Suzuki would all adapt easily to the same decades old F1 technology, while Honda, a company that currently races in F1, can't get the pneumo sorted for this season.

Hard to believe, indeed. Just as it was difficult to believe that the bike Max was racing in 2005 was the parent bike of the 2006 spec that Nicky and Marco got at the end of the 2005 season.

I'm beginning to think that my fuel prediction is wrong, and that this entire pneumatic drama has been a red herring for the tabloids. Perhaps the pneumatic bike was never meant to run Michelins?

OMG how the f- did they know they were getting Bridgestones?! I thought Fukui wanted Michelin?! I thought Honda weren't allowed to test Brigestones, they have a contract with Michelin

Wake up, you naive little sheep!

It's puff, puff, pass Lex

Not puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, '',",".........

I think you've had enough man.....

Somebody cut him off already......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 8 2008, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Biaggi in 2005 and the lame duck in 2008 is Nick.

Boy your quick!

I've been saying Nicky is on the Biaggi program for the last 2 years (e.g. Give him sh~t parts or what he wants, blame the rider when it goes wrong or does not live up to expectations, then let him go with their tail between their legs)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Sep 8 2008, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Boy your quick!

I've been saying Nicky is on the Biaggi program for the last 2 years (e.g. Give him sh~t parts or what he wants, blame the rider when it goes wrong or does not live up to expectations, then let him go with their tail between their legs)

He can't be on the Biaggi plan b/c Biaggi never won a WC. Obviously assassinating Nicky's skill and character took an extra dastardly plan.

Seriously, to everyone in the peanut gallery, is it not blatantly obvious that the pneumo was never meant to run on Michelins? They are switching to the pneumatic engine next year for all customer bikes, which seems to be a clear tip off that a control tire is coming next year, or at the very least, Repsol will be running Bridgestone.

Fukui asked for Michelins I can't believe some of you fell for that

new tires...new bike...still a ..... on the breaks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Sep 9 2008, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>new tires...new bike...still a ..... on the breaks

And in head to head fights.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 8 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps I've spoken prematurely, but if Dani starts going really well with the new motor, I'm going to have serious questions for Honda and DORNADani on the Spring Valve was doing better than Nicky on the Pneumo. Obviosuly he is going to do better with the pneumo.

BTW, towards the end of the last season honda had the best bike (with the spring valves) obviously it would take them a much better pneumo engine (than the others) to want to switch.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Sep 9 2008, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani on the Spring Valve was doing better than Nicky on the Pneumo. Obviosuly he is going to do better with the pneumo.

BTW, towards the end of the last season honda had the best bike (with the spring valves) obviously it would take them a much better pneumo engine (than the others) to want to switch.

So you're suggesting that Dani switching to Bridgestones and the pneumatic is coincidence? It was not part of an HRC plan from the get go?

Obviously HRC's plan, like that of any other manufacturer, is to win the championship by providing the best package to the riders. When Dani was in points contention, he did not want to "experiment" with the new package during the season (he did a couple of test though). Now, that he is lagging behind on the points, he is willing to take a bigger gamble. Dani is getting what he wants.

Likewise, Hayden wanted to keep the 2007 chassis (some will debate this) during the early part of the season, and wanted the pneumo engine later on -- he got both his wishes.

While HRC engineers may think they know what the best equipment is, it is up to the HRC management to make the riders happy and give them a package they are comfortable with. i am pretty sure the engineers are no happy with the switch to stones as it means more work for them to suit the bike to the stones.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 9 2008, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you're suggesting that Dani switching to Bridgestones and the pneumatic is coincidence? It was not part of an HRC plan from the get go?

HRC's plan from 2005 onward is to make Dani Pedrosa champion, and if it means switching from Stones to Michelins to Dunlops or pushing bringing back the 990s then the will do it....

Dani matters to HRC while most of the rest of the Honda rider do not and never did....

Dani is deciding what he wants and needs to win, and HRC are listening just like the did for Rossi back when he rode for them...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Sep 10 2008, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HRC's plan from 2005 onward is to make Dani Pedrosa champion, and if it means switching from Stones to Michelins to Dunlops or pushing bringing back the 990s then the will do it....

Dani matters to HRC while most of the rest of the Honda rider do not and never did....

Dani is deciding what he wants and needs to win, and HRC are listening just like the did for Rossi back when he rode for them...

What HRC fail to realize is...Dani is not the one to bring back Honda's glory, it's Andrea Dovizioso. The sooner Honda realize this the better.

The main criticism for HRC since Rossi left is that they have lacked any direction, or a strong enough figurehead to guid the team to victory. Dani is now demanding the things he feels necessary to win and showing the determination that the he and the team need to be a world champion, taking a role similar to that of Doohan or Rossi before him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Sep 10 2008, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>HRC's plan from 2005 onward is to make Dani Pedrosa champion, and if it means switching from Stones to Michelins to Dunlops or pushing bringing back the 990s then the will do it....

Dani matters to HRC while most of the rest of the Honda rider do not and never did....

1. HRC's plan is to have a world champ. anyone will do (unless your name is biaggi) but a rider of japanese nationality would be the preferred option.
RESOL's plan was to have dp as champ and they led HRC down that path.

2.dp matters to REPSOL, honda matters to HRC...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Sep 10 2008, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The main criticism for HRC since Rossi left is that they have lacked any direction, or a strong enough figurehead to guid the team to victory. Dani is now demanding the things he feels necessary to win and showing the determination that the he and the team need to be a world champion, taking a role similar to that of Doohan or Rossi before him.

Oh come on... Dani can not take charge. He is like a little brat that just whines, that's it. He is not a leader who knows what the situation is and can take charge. I mean ....., Alberto Puig is controlling him like a puppet. Dani really needs to get rid of Puig if he wants some respect and break out of his shell. I really think Dani has alot more to offer then he's shown, but for some reason I just can't get rid of the thought that Alberto Puig is holding him back somehow. But to be honest, i really don't care.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 10 2008, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What HRC fail to realize is...Dani is not the one to bring back Honda's glory, it's Andrea Dovizioso. The sooner Honda realize this the better.


Total agree, Dovi on Honda will make for interesting racing!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 10 2008, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What HRC fail to realize is...Dani is not the one to bring back Honda's glory, it's Andrea Dovizioso. The sooner Honda realize this the better.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Sep 10 2008, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Total agree, Dovi on Honda will make for interesting racing!
I'd love to see Dovizioso sign with FRC, but I'd also hate to see him wasted and used a mere sidekick for Pedrosa.