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If Pedrosa would sign with Kawasaki, it would be one of the best career moves for Hayden. The Honda team would not have to worry about designing a bike around Pedrosa, which I think is way over-rated. But this would be horrible for Hopkins thought. I would love to see Pedrosa at Kawasaki so that we could really see just how good or not he really is; but I doubt he would go, I don't think A. Puig would stand for it. Nah, this is just a very transparent negotiation tool he is using against Honda. Yeah, Honda, who has practically cowered to every demand the Spanish based team and sponsor have asked. What does he want; he is already their number one rider.
The most interesting thing I see there is that Nakano is being considered. It sure didn't seem to me like he left on good terms!! He said "Show me the 800 for next season, or I walk." Kawi couldn't, so he ran to Honda...the "better" ride. But we all see how that turned out! It would be pretty crazy to see him back on the Kawi after leaving under those circumstances.
I want to see him do well though, either way.
I want to see him do well though, either way.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Traverser @ Aug 22 2007, 04:43 PM) [snapback]86475[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
huh, Honda only signed him for two years. Maybe they didn't design the 800 around him
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They absolutely designed the bike around him. No doubt. Do you have the MotoGP race recorded from Assen this year? Listen to the pre-race commentary. The Honda engineers admit to the current world champion that the bike was designed for Pedrosa. Check it out. Let there be no doubt. This is not even a maybe, or speculative.
huh, Honda only signed him for two years. Maybe they didn't design the 800 around him
They absolutely designed the bike around him. No doubt. Do you have the MotoGP race recorded from Assen this year? Listen to the pre-race commentary. The Honda engineers admit to the current world champion that the bike was designed for Pedrosa. Check it out. Let there be no doubt. This is not even a maybe, or speculative.
Is it just me, or is the current RC212V (regardless of who it was designed for) one of the ugliest GP motorcycles ever built??
The (less than useful) idea of cutting down the ducktail to the postage stamp size that it is, looks absolutely terrible... or is my sense of aesthetics way off base?
The (less than useful) idea of cutting down the ducktail to the postage stamp size that it is, looks absolutely terrible... or is my sense of aesthetics way off base?
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I think the most interesting piece of this story is where the truth lies. That Westy appears to be the candidate to team Hopper and ultimately replace de Puniet simply because it has taken de Puniet longer to adapt to this level despite his success this season. Should this occur, whoever lands him will be a lucky squad.
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[quote name='muzzy57' date='Aug 22 2007, 11:18 PM' post='86496']
Is it just me, or is the current RC212V (regardless of who it was designed for) one of the ugliest GP motorcycles ever built??
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The original design of the exhaust was quite an engineering feat.
Both pipes were hidden under the fairing with the exeption of the tip which was angled at exit point to be flush with the fairing.
I get a laugh at the huge pipe that now sticks out that really looks added on.
I agree with what Race Junkie has to say. Originally he said that Honda wasn't the only team in the paddock. Now he is being more specific which could mean his negotiations are becoming more heated and he wants more leverage.
One thing that strikes me about any discussion regarding his and Puig's point of view
is that they always seem to try to take the upper hand with Honda. Rather than a typical rider point of view, one where the rider is somewhat indebted to their employer
it as if they seem to say you are lucky to have Danny. He is suffering and being held back by your machines inferiority. Granted this year he probabaly is but it seems like a certain subtle arrogance as if Danny was and will be a MotpGP world champ if it wern't for the bike.
I'm not questioning or criticizing his talent, It's just him or Puig seem to have annointed him before he has really won a championship at this level.
Is it just me, or is the current RC212V (regardless of who it was designed for) one of the ugliest GP motorcycles ever built??
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The original design of the exhaust was quite an engineering feat.
Both pipes were hidden under the fairing with the exeption of the tip which was angled at exit point to be flush with the fairing.
I get a laugh at the huge pipe that now sticks out that really looks added on.
I agree with what Race Junkie has to say. Originally he said that Honda wasn't the only team in the paddock. Now he is being more specific which could mean his negotiations are becoming more heated and he wants more leverage.
One thing that strikes me about any discussion regarding his and Puig's point of view
is that they always seem to try to take the upper hand with Honda. Rather than a typical rider point of view, one where the rider is somewhat indebted to their employer
it as if they seem to say you are lucky to have Danny. He is suffering and being held back by your machines inferiority. Granted this year he probabaly is but it seems like a certain subtle arrogance as if Danny was and will be a MotpGP world champ if it wern't for the bike.
I'm not questioning or criticizing his talent, It's just him or Puig seem to have annointed him before he has really won a championship at this level.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 22 2007, 07:40 PM) [snapback]86491[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
They absolutely designed the bike around him. No doubt. Do you have the MotoGP race recorded from Assen this year? Listen to the pre-race commentary. The Honda engineers admit to the current world champion that the bike was designed for Pedrosa. Check it out. Let there be no doubt. This is not even a maybe, or speculative.
Look I'm one of those people who was obsessed with believing Honda designed the bike for Pedrosa, but finally after non-stop nagging from Tom I actually stopped and pondered it with a clear mind and I have realized the bike ain't designed for the Bot.
Their egineers said to Nicky and the world, they designed if for Pedrosa for 2 reasons. 1) no one believed they didn't 2) it is a half truth meant to cover the real truth which is in fact probably much worse than the innocuous claim that they designed it for Pedrosa b/c of his performance in 2006 (this is Honda, the more evil it sounds, the more probable it is)
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It seems given the size of the bike that Honda MUST have designed the bike for Pedrosa. There is one flaw with that line of reasoning: Dani is a fast rider and Dani can't ride the thing.
I think in fact the RC212V was in the design pipeline for sometime, and that Honda were planning on screwing over Nicky long before he became world champion. Worst of all they knew when they designed it, a dimunitive bike would require a diminuitive rider. THEY WENT OUT AND BOUGHT PEDROSA FOR THE BIKE, the way a woman buys a handbag to match her new dress. After they took measurements for his leathers, they probably finalized the dimensions for the cockpit and substructure. It's far worse than I thought, but Pedrosa is just the unwitting fall man. IT DOESN"T WORK? DAMN WE SHOULDN"T HAVEN GIVEN PEDROSA WHAT HE WANTED!
On topic:
Shinya kind of slapped Kawasaki when he left even though it was probably for good reasons. However, I hope they patch things up, he is still a fast rider stuck on a miserable bike. He would be a great veteran teammate to Hopper.
They absolutely designed the bike around him. No doubt. Do you have the MotoGP race recorded from Assen this year? Listen to the pre-race commentary. The Honda engineers admit to the current world champion that the bike was designed for Pedrosa. Check it out. Let there be no doubt. This is not even a maybe, or speculative.
Look I'm one of those people who was obsessed with believing Honda designed the bike for Pedrosa, but finally after non-stop nagging from Tom I actually stopped and pondered it with a clear mind and I have realized the bike ain't designed for the Bot.
Their egineers said to Nicky and the world, they designed if for Pedrosa for 2 reasons. 1) no one believed they didn't 2) it is a half truth meant to cover the real truth which is in fact probably much worse than the innocuous claim that they designed it for Pedrosa b/c of his performance in 2006 (this is Honda, the more evil it sounds, the more probable it is)
It seems given the size of the bike that Honda MUST have designed the bike for Pedrosa. There is one flaw with that line of reasoning: Dani is a fast rider and Dani can't ride the thing.
I think in fact the RC212V was in the design pipeline for sometime, and that Honda were planning on screwing over Nicky long before he became world champion. Worst of all they knew when they designed it, a dimunitive bike would require a diminuitive rider. THEY WENT OUT AND BOUGHT PEDROSA FOR THE BIKE, the way a woman buys a handbag to match her new dress. After they took measurements for his leathers, they probably finalized the dimensions for the cockpit and substructure. It's far worse than I thought, but Pedrosa is just the unwitting fall man. IT DOESN"T WORK? DAMN WE SHOULDN"T HAVEN GIVEN PEDROSA WHAT HE WANTED!
On topic:
Shinya kind of slapped Kawasaki when he left even though it was probably for good reasons. However, I hope they patch things up, he is still a fast rider stuck on a miserable bike. He would be a great veteran teammate to Hopper.
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Lex, that was a funny post. But one thing I didn't find funny is you listening to Tom. I find that hilarious!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Aug 22 2007, 09:29 PM) [snapback]86506[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah. I am definitely with the "Dani is overrated" camp!
I should get a shirt with that on it.
If you find the shirt, let me know, I want two of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Aug 22 2007, 09:29 PM) [snapback]86506[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah. I am definitely with the "Dani is overrated" camp!
I should get a shirt with that on it.
If you find the shirt, let me know, I want two of them.
There are rumors telling that Pedrosa's agent is getting in contact with Akashi HQ for a bike on Kawasaki team 2008 for Dani who is very upset about Honda performance this year. Moreover Honda will remain with Michelin also on 2008 and Dani doesn't think this is the right way to come back to victory for Honda.
if you compare the dimensions of the 211 to the 212, they are literally almost identical. the dimensions that are not identical are only off by millimeters. the only reason people keep saying the bike is so much smaller is because the tail makes the bike looks smaller. it isn't. there are rules that state minimum dimenions for a motogp machine. gp bikes are already tiny by design. some may say that the front fairing was too small for nicky and point to that, but even after nicky got a new larger front fairing, he didn't improve.
2007 RC212V:
Overall length: 2050mm
Overall width: 645mm
Overall height: 1125mm
Wheelbase: 1440mm
Road clearance: 125mm
2006 RC211V:
Overall length: 2050mm
Overall width: 645mm
Overall height: 1130mm
Wheelbase: 1440mm
Road clearance: 130mm
i understand that rearset placement, seating position, etc. are different, but it's getting old hearing people make it sound like the new RC is half the size of the previous bike.
look, everybody rips on honda because they don't give a crap about the rider, but all of a sudden they do with pedrosa? not likely.
2007 RC212V:
Overall length: 2050mm
Overall width: 645mm
Overall height: 1125mm
Wheelbase: 1440mm
Road clearance: 125mm
2006 RC211V:
Overall length: 2050mm
Overall width: 645mm
Overall height: 1130mm
Wheelbase: 1440mm
Road clearance: 130mm
i understand that rearset placement, seating position, etc. are different, but it's getting old hearing people make it sound like the new RC is half the size of the previous bike.
look, everybody rips on honda because they don't give a crap about the rider, but all of a sudden they do with pedrosa? not likely.
Sorry guys, I've just seen this topic has been already posted by frosty58, but it was difficult to imagine it by the object title and subtitle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Aug 23 2007, 02:29 PM) [snapback]86506[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yeah. I am definitely with the "Dani is overrated" camp!
I should get a shirt with that on it.
I want one eith "Dani Sux" !
Yeah. I am definitely with the "Dani is overrated" camp!
I should get a shirt with that on it.
I want one eith "Dani Sux" !
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ThePhorest @ Aug 23 2007, 12:24 AM) [snapback]86466[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The most interesting thing I see there is that Nakano is being considered.
This is what MCN UK is reporting...
The rumour is that Kawasaki is writing a contract for Shynia by which he must change his name to 'TailBetweenLegs' or 'HalfSalary' to rejoin the team, but it Shynia choice as to which name he takes.
The most interesting thing I see there is that Nakano is being considered.
This is what MCN UK is reporting...
The rumour is that Kawasaki is writing a contract for Shynia by which he must change his name to 'TailBetweenLegs' or 'HalfSalary' to rejoin the team, but it Shynia choice as to which name he takes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 23 2007, 04:29 AM) [snapback]86507[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
It seems given the size of the bike that Honda MUST have designed the bike for Pedrosa. There is one flaw with that line of reasoning: Dani is a fast rider and Dani can't ride the thing.
I really like your theory, and it does have a certain verisimulitude. Pedrosa is undeniably a fast rider.
I would love to see west get the kawasaki ride, but in all fairness it probably should go to de puniet.
I can't imagine pedrosa would go to kawasaki. Honda will surely get things right soon, they already seem to be improving power significantly. I imagine they will absolutely throw money at next year's bike even if it needs a total re-design.
It seems given the size of the bike that Honda MUST have designed the bike for Pedrosa. There is one flaw with that line of reasoning: Dani is a fast rider and Dani can't ride the thing.
I really like your theory, and it does have a certain verisimulitude. Pedrosa is undeniably a fast rider.
I would love to see west get the kawasaki ride, but in all fairness it probably should go to de puniet.
I can't imagine pedrosa would go to kawasaki. Honda will surely get things right soon, they already seem to be improving power significantly. I imagine they will absolutely throw money at next year's bike even if it needs a total re-design.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Racejumkie @ Aug 23 2007, 05:50 AM) [snapback]86508[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If you find the shirt, let me know, I want two of them.
you going to stitch two together to get them around your big fat belly like ?
heh heh.
Pedrosa is just after more money from Honda i rekon. it's a dangerous game to play because Honda seem to think the rider contribution is minimal (and anyone could win on their wonder-bike) and he might find his ... without a ride.
If Honda win - it's all down to the bike
If Honda lose - the rider is to blame.
tossers if you ask me
If you find the shirt, let me know, I want two of them.
you going to stitch two together to get them around your big fat belly like ?
heh heh.
Pedrosa is just after more money from Honda i rekon. it's a dangerous game to play because Honda seem to think the rider contribution is minimal (and anyone could win on their wonder-bike) and he might find his ... without a ride.
If Honda win - it's all down to the bike
If Honda lose - the rider is to blame.
tossers if you ask me
