Pedrosa on Kawasaki next year?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(muzzy57 @ Aug 23 2007, 04:18 AM) [snapback]86496[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Is it just me, or is the current RC212V (regardless of who it was designed for) one of the ugliest GP motorcycles ever built??

yup, looks like a ducks arse.

What a surprise! Your post with my title, funny!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(baldylocks @ Aug 23 2007, 12:27 PM) [snapback]86564[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
you going to stitch two together to get them around your big fat belly like ?

heh heh.

Pedrosa is just after more money from Honda i rekon. it's a dangerous game to play because Honda seem to think the rider contribution is minimal (and anyone could win on their wonder-bike) and he might find his ... without a ride.

If Honda win - it's all down to the bike
If Honda lose - the rider is to blame.

tossers if you ask me



Good quote about HRC baldy.

I cannae see Pedrosa on the Kawasaki, and I don't think he'd trouble the podium on it. He's fast and can win fae the front, but, I 've yet to see him fight his way through, battling with the big boys on 990s or 800s.

I think Nicky has made him look like the second rate Honda guy this year. Big time.


Pete

I can't believe I'm going to say this, because I do agree with you about Hayden doing better of late, but Pedrosa does have the only win for Honda this year.........damn that was tough to say. I think Hayden has handled the problems with the 212 in the media much better than Pedrosa all year long, and now I think Honda is rewarding him for that, just my thought.

Pete, haven't seen you posting lately, or have I not been paying attention?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(L8Braker @ Aug 23 2007, 10:10 AM) [snapback]86602[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can't believe I'm going to say this, because I do agree with you about Hayden doing better of late, but Pedrosa does have the only win for Honda this year.........damn that was tough to say. I think Hayden has handled the problems with the 212 in the media much better than Pedrosa all year long, and now I think Honda is rewarding him for that, just my thought.

Pete, haven't seen you posting lately, or have I not been paying attention?


I think your post is true.

I also think Repsol Honda realized Ducati Marlboro and Fiat Yamaha were smoking them in the point standings simply because they refused to develop a frame/suspension package for Nicky.

Why do they always do this to themselves? They almsot chucked the rider championship last year and their pig headedness has screwed them out of an easy team title this year!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(L8Braker @ Aug 23 2007, 06:10 PM) [snapback]86602[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I can't believe I'm going to say this, because I do agree with you about Hayden doing better of late, but Pedrosa does have the only win for Honda this year.........damn that was tough to say. I think Hayden has handled the problems with the 212 in the media much better than Pedrosa all year long, and now I think Honda is rewarding him for that, just my thought.

Pete, haven't seen you posting lately, or have I not been paying attention?



Been a bit quiet of late, busy sortin work an stuff out.

But still here, and still opinionated!

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Aug 23 2007, 07:25 PM) [snapback]86605[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

I also think Repsol Honda realized Ducati Marlboro and Fiat Yamaha were smoking them in the point standings simply because they refused to develop a frame/suspension package for Nicky.

Why do they always do this to themselves? They almsot chucked the rider championship last year and their pig headedness has screwed them out of an easy team title this year!


Hang on, this is Honda. They have the resources to develop bikes for both riders. And they have done so. Pedrosa needs a slightly different frame and geometry because he's a short arse and can't reach the handlebars on Hayden's bike. Therefore Honda had to build a special bike for him. Did anyone consider Hayden's ability as a test rider and communicator - maybe it is/was more a case of he can't tell Honda what he needs to go faster because he doesn't know!

I have to laugh at the conspiracy theories of how Honda are screwing over Hayden - what possible benefit could that have to Honda?

Back on topic - Pedrosa is not going to Kwak. He wants to re-sign for a year and not for three, as noted elsewhere. How else could he negotiate a bigger pay packet? Tthe Kwak story is just idle pitlane gossip.

Can "Silly season" get any better??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MotoRob @ Aug 23 2007, 03:31 PM) [snapback]86611[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hang on, this is Honda. They have the resources to develop bikes for both riders. And they have done so. Pedrosa needs a slightly different frame and geometry because he's a short arse and can't reach the handlebars on Hayden's bike. Therefore Honda had to build a special bike for him. Did anyone consider Hayden's ability as a test rider and communicator - maybe it is/was more a case of he can't tell Honda what he needs to go faster because he doesn't know!

I have to laugh at the conspiracy theories of how Honda are screwing over Hayden - what possible benefit could that have to Honda?

Back on topic - Pedrosa is not going to Kwak. He wants to re-sign for a year and not for three, as noted elsewhere. How else could he negotiate a bigger pay packet? Tthe Kwak story is just idle pitlane gossip.


MotoRob, I don't disagree with your assesment, everyone knows Honda can develop two bikes, but they don't bring the new parts down for two bikes at the same time. My suggestion of rewarding Nicky was based on new parts going to him at the same time Dani gets them is where I was going, Honda's not stupid they know they need to save face for the season so far. I do however disagree with you on Nicky not being able to communicate to Honda how to make it go faster. The riding styles of Dani and Nicky are so different it has to drive Honda crazy trying to figure out what to do, but initially my thought is the bike fit Dani's riding style at the start of the season and of late for Nicky after they turned down some of the electronics. I do want to put this out there though, neither Dani or Nicky had any input into the 212, it was given to them and told to make it work.

Now, back on topic. Dani/Puig are using the Kawasaki deal right before signing anything for leverage. It would be funny to see this backfire in their face when Kawasaki finalizes thier roster and there are no viable seats left for next year.

Yea, he will get a Honda ride, LCR Honda! Hahahaha

Geee...Kawasaki will have to have about 10 motoGP bikes and a budget of 1 billion!!!....For all the riders that want to get there crutches over the green machine!!!..

It’s a pity as they will all be big time loosseers with the green machine of the 2008 Kawasaki!!! it will be like>>> a... !!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MotoRob @ Aug 23 2007, 12:31 PM) [snapback]86611[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hang on, this is Honda. They have the resources to develop bikes for both riders. And they have done so. Pedrosa needs a slightly different frame and geometry because he's a short arse and can't reach the handlebars on Hayden's bike. Therefore Honda had to build a special bike for him. Did anyone consider Hayden's ability as a test rider and communicator - maybe it is/was more a case of he can't tell Honda what he needs to go faster because he doesn't know!

I have to laugh at the conspiracy theories of how Honda are screwing over Hayden - what possible benefit could that have to Honda?

Back on topic - Pedrosa is not going to Kwak. He wants to re-sign for a year and not for three, as noted elsewhere. How else could he negotiate a bigger pay packet? Tthe Kwak story is just idle pitlane gossip.


When I say they are planning on screwing over Hayden, I mean they are planning to go off on some egineering crusade without consulting any riders. However, the original cockpit design was a blatant f-you to Mr. Hayden. You can't get around that one. You could probably argue the new rigid frame was also intentional, since they know after 4 years how Nicky likes his frames.

You're absolutely right, they have more than enough money to engineer two different machines. They won't b/c the power at HRC belongs in the hands of Mother Honda, not in the hands of the lowly proleteriats. They build a bike, you learn to ride it with minimal adjustment. I'm sure all the changes Nicky needs to make the bike ridable for him, are pushing him farther down the heirarchy.

I think you're right about Pedro though. I can't see Kwak in play at all, unless Honda come right out and tell Pedrosa they won't negotiate anything other than what they want. But maybe in a fit of anger Pedrosa will be smart enough to do what Hayden can't do---leave.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MotoRob @ Aug 23 2007, 12:31 PM) [snapback]86611[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Hang on, this is Honda. They have the resources to develop bikes for both riders. And they have done so. Pedrosa needs a slightly different frame and geometry because he's a short arse and can't reach the handlebars on Hayden's bike. Therefore Honda had to build a special bike for him. Did anyone consider Hayden's ability as a test rider and communicator - maybe it is/was more a case of he can't tell Honda what he needs to go faster because he doesn't know!

I have to laugh at the conspiracy theories of how Honda are screwing over Hayden - what possible benefit could that have to Honda?

Back on topic - Pedrosa is not going to Kwak. He wants to re-sign for a year and not for three, as noted elsewhere. How else could he negotiate a bigger pay packet? Tthe Kwak story is just idle pitlane gossip.

Is it a "conspiracy" when the Honda engineers admit that they designed the bike for Pedrosa? Did you see the Assen GP? If you have it recorded, go back and listen to the opening commentary. I know saying it’s a “conspiracy” sounds more sensational, and some may think using this word lends some credibility, but the real question is—is it true? Well there is no doubt, it’s not even speculative, it’s truth. It's easy to say it’s a "conspiracy" but first do your homework. The bike was in fact designed for Pedrosa. Now that's a hell of a thing for the current champ to be told, wouldn't you say?

Of course Honda has all the money and resources in the world. However, racing is not their only enterprise. Also, if they are so rich, couldn't they also get the parts down in a timely manner to their satellite teams? Yes, they "could" develop for two different riders, but after all, the team is based out of Spain, with a Spanish title sponsor, oh and their heir apparent is Spanish, not to forget that the man behind the string is Alberto Puig, uhm, also Spanish. Where do you think their loyalties lie? Please man, this is the reality of the world. It's not the purse that makes the difference, its who's hands that purse is in.

Surely as you said, it just Pedrosa and his err "manager" just using the Kawasaki theme for leverage.

I just wish Honda would give Dani the big old finger and say "You wanna go to Kawasaki so bad, munchkin?! THEN GO!" and to make my day even better they could tag on "because we're hiring Ryuichi Kiyonari!"

Yeah right. Like you guys say...its all about Spain for that team.

According to Motociclismo the Kawasaki rumour is a load of bollocks, the reason why Honda and Dani haven't reached an agreement yet is because Honda wants a multi-year contract, and Dani only wants to sign one year (in case Honda still sucks in 2008).

This is another interesting theory on Dani...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2007/Aug/0708271.htm

So he wouldn't be Pedrobot anymore???....


He'd be a WEEE little Leprecon looking fer his pot'er GOOOLD. LOL!



I hope he does do it...i could use a good laugh :lol
Maybe i'll take some lucky charms with me to Indy and throw'm at him. :lol

http://superbikeplanet.com/2007/Aug/0708271.htm

We might get a spec tire by default