One tire rule a done deal?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Aug 17 2008, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Motogp is a prototype series. That includes tires.
One tire series means less tire development.
Thats a backward step.

I agree, but Michelin aren't doing themselves any favours by screwing things up three races in a row.

If theres no single tyre rule and they just leave it up to the team to use whoever they want.. would Bridgestone want to supply everbody?

If not, then a single tyre is fair for all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Aug 17 2008, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think tyres that don't the the job are an insult to motogp.

Any equipment that isn't winning isn't doing its job properley, and someone has to lose. Technology battles have been a major part of motogp since the very beggining and a single tyre rule would represent a large change in principles.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 17 2008, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If theres no single tyre rule and they just leave it up to the team to use whoever they want.. would Bridgestone want to supply everbody?

If not, then a single tyre is fair for all.

Amazing logic. So can agree we are exactly where we were last year with the tire situation?

Last year Ezy "fixed" the problem by forcing B-stone to provide one rider with tires and probably adding many off the books rules, this year perhaps they will fix the problem with a control tire or by letting Michelin depart.

Only Ezy can completely compromize the sport while accomplishing nothing. He has proven that time and time again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Aug 17 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If theres no single tyre rule and they just leave it up to the team to use whoever they want.. would Bridgestone want to supply everbody?

If not, then a single tyre is fair for all.

Problem is that it would make a logistic nightmare for the tire supliers.
Are 1 or 17 riders getting tires from us today? What if they all want that special tire we only have 30 sets of and they all want 3 or 4 of them.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 17 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Any equipment that isn't winning isn't doing its job properley, and someone has to lose. Technology battles have been a major part of motogp since the very beggining and a single tyre rule would represent a large change in principles.

But as a true supporter of electronics and the need for riders to adapt, why should priciples be written in stone. As the class change so must and does the rules. Maybe it IS time for control tires. I'm stil not pro control tires but see the points, even agree in some of them.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 17 2008, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Rossi is riding on the proof!

It doesn't matter whether he did or didn't want B-stones. Ezy didn't change them without Rossi asking. Bridgestone said no very publicly but Rossi still got the goods.

Ezy rewrote the rule book to make sure there was a championship race this season. Casey never stood a chance, it's amazing he is where he is considering he's fighting Rossi and the de facto governing body.

Why is everyone going on about Michelin sucking? They are by far the best. Michelin tires have long been far superior to Bridgestones because Michelin built one off tires at astronomical cost the night before the race. There competitive advantage (their location, distribution, and technical facilities) was terminated by DORNA (probably for the betterment of the sport).

Michelin didn't drop the ball. The governing body wrote a stupid rule that turned the sport upside down and led to a single tire manufacturer and boring racing. DORNA needed to cut costs, but it's apparent Ezy's plan was not clearly thought out.

Personally, I'm glad there is only going to be one tire manufacturer, now Ezy can stop controlling the tires.


I don't think anyone could have been as wrong as that statement if they tried really hard. Complete bollox.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 17 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But as a true supporter of electronics and the need for riders to adapt, why should priciples be written in stone. As the class change so must and does the rules. Maybe it IS time for control tires. I'm stil not pro control tires but see the points, even agree in some of them.

I agree, the sport changes as it moves forward and sometimes the changes have to be more radical than others. As motogp becomes more business orientated, some principles may need to be sacrificed or altered.

oh come on.... who the heck wants to see a tire war? Yeah, it's good in the sense that it brings technology towards the consumer market, making tires more durable, safer, etc.. But i don't know about you guys, but when it comes to racing i would hate for a race to be decided by what compound of tires they got underneath them. If Moto GP wants to get more fans, bring in the 1 tire manufacturer, controlled electronics, no TC, and bring back the 990's. i mean unless the Bike manufacturers plan to release 800cc bikes to the public anytime soon, i don't see the reason why they have to go that route,,, makes no sense really.... because the 800's are going faster in a lap then the 990's did, and thats due to tires. Bring back the Beast that is Moto GP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Aug 17 2008, 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Moto GP wants to get more fans, bring in the 1 tire manufacturer, controlled electronics, no TC, and bring back the 990's. i mean unless the Bike manufacturers plan to release 800cc bikes to the public anytime soon

This is a true statement if you are willing to assume that all motogp fans are interested only in the human side of the racing, which is far from the truth. Furthermore not many bike manufacturers released 990cc bikes for the road either, the idea of prototype racing is that the bikes are NOT production machines.

What I don't understand is how we got here. Michelin had the Saturday Night Specials and they reigned and finally someone, I'm guessing Ezy, got tired of it and said it wasn't fair. What also isn't fair is that Bridgestone is massive in comparison to Michelin. I understand Bridgestone are based in Japan, but why can't they fly out Saturday Night Specials as well? Or begin small operations in Europe? In principle I am against spec tires and would rather things be unlimited like they used to be or as I proposed but if Dorna feel that it's not fair David get a slingshot when battling Goliath, I suppose a one tire rule is really all we can do if we wish to watch real racing again.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 18 2008, 12:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I don't understand is how we got here. Michelin had the Saturday Night Specials and they reigned and finally someone, I'm guessing Ezy, got tired of it and said it wasn't fair. What also isn't fair is that Bridgestone is massive in comparison to Michelin. I understand Bridgestone are based in Japan, but why can't they fly out Saturday Night Specials as well? Or begin small operations in Europe? In principle I am against spec tires and would rather things be unlimited like they used to be or as I proposed but if Dorna feel that it's not fair David get a slingshot when battling Goliath, I suppose a one tire rule is really all we can do if we wish to watch real racing again.

Why do everyone think that the Saturday Night Specials were such a big deal? It's not like it was used at every race, not even every European race, far from. They were how ever, able to idenitify a problem and make som corrections, enabling the rider and bike to go at their maximum. I'm sure they got a few wins out of it but I strongly doubt that was the whole reson for Michelins sucsess.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 17 2008, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do everyone think that the Saturday Night Specials were such a big deal? It's not like it was used at every race, not even every European race, far from. They were how ever, able to idenitify a problem and make som corrections, enabling the rider and bike to go at their maximum. I'm sure they got a few wins out of it but I strongly doubt that was the whole reson for Michelins sucsess.

Maybe they didn't overnight Saturday night specials at every round, but both manufacturers used to deliver tires AFTER the first practice session. Michelin was far superior at building tires to suit the condition of the pavement and the weather.

Like Austin said, Ezy or the manufacturers got fed up with the expense of tires and changed the rules completely.

How did we get here is very appropriate question indeed. As many people on both sides of the argument have pointed out, not that much has changed.

Obviously, I'm not convinced that Michelin have fallen apart with minimal changes to the rules. In my world, not that much has changed THAT WE ARE AWARE OF.

All major signs are pointing to serious problems/compromises at technical meetings, yet so few pursue the possibility of behind-the-scenes problems in the operating agreements that Ezy has told us run the sport. Ezy was even so kind to enlighten the fans that no operating agreement exists with the tire manufacturers so DORNA has a free hand to make changes.

I can't envision a scenario in which Michelin's demise wasn't caused by changes to the rules and behind the scenes changes made by DORNA.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 17 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I don't understand is how we got here. Michelin had the Saturday Night Specials and they reigned and finally someone, I'm guessing Ezy, got tired of it and said it wasn't fair. What also isn't fair is that Bridgestone is massive in comparison to Michelin. I understand Bridgestone are based in Japan, but why can't they fly out Saturday Night Specials as well? Or begin small operations in Europe? In principle I am against spec tires and would rather things be unlimited like they used to be or as I proposed but if Dorna feel that it's not fair David get a slingshot when battling Goliath, I suppose a one tire rule is really all we can do if we wish to watch real racing again.
spot on mate, ive said before that rather than stopping michilin doing there overnighters stones should have been encouraged to do the same. i believe like michilin bridgestone have plants all over the world.
link.

According to Kropotkin there were 5 points most riders agreed on at Ezpelleta's riders meeting @ Brno.

Kropotkin Link

1. The adoption of a single tire manufacturer;
2. A directer connection between the throttle and the rider's wrist, so that the riders not left at the mercy of the electronics quite so much;
3. Narrower wheels and tires, to reduce grip levels and force riders to go more slowly;
4. A return to the 990cc formula, with a top speed limit enforced by electronics, or else;
5. Adding more weight to the 800cc bikes, to make them less agile.

Perhaps there is hope for the 990's yet.

Why wasn't this an issue when Michelin was winning and Bridgestone riders were getting flogged??
Why now?
There are ebbs and flows in who is dominant, whether its tires, bikes or riders.
MotoGP is the premier bike championship because it is cutting edge prototype racing.
Its about the fastest package.
Its about testing between races not just the races. The series is about research and development of bike, tires, set up etc.
One tire rule goes against that.
Whats next, a one tire, one bike series?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Aug 17 2008, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why wasn't this an issue when Michelin was winning and Bridgestone riders were getting flogged??
Why now?
There are ebbs and flows in who is dominant, whether its tires, bikes or riders.
MotoGP is the premier bike championship because it is cutting edge prototype racing.
Its about the fastest package.
Its about testing between races not just the races. The series is about research and development of bike, tires, set up etc.
One tire rule goes against that.
Whats next, a one tire, one bike series?

yeah...exactly, what's next?? a 45 year old regional playstation championship gamer controlling a moto gp bike with a hybrid monkey as a pilot, sitting in the garage pit on his lazyboy looking at a 57" flat screen tv...racing the bike via telescopic satellite infrared fiber optics gps system while munching on doritos?? come on man...there has to be a limit,, if not then why not map out a circuit and pre program the bike to control the throttle, braking point, etcc.. I mean,,, traction control is already too much if you ask me.

[quote name='Haga' date='Aug 17 2008, 07:23 AM' post='145977']
A one tyre rule would do nothing but good for MotoGP at the moment. Michelin have ...... up Honda and the three Yamahas seasons and its time that we get good close fair racing.
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Michelin has screwed up MotoGP race at this track and DORNA has to do something..I want to see a race not a parade..Damn! when Stoner chrashed, there was nothing to watch. It's all written script as Stones shode rider move up and that Elias Duc passed the underpower Suzi and useless green machines...I bet VR will be crowned 2008 MotoGP champion by the time we arrive PI or Sepang.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Aug 18 2008, 04:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why wasn't this an issue when Michelin was winning and Bridgestone riders were getting flogged??

Bridgestone could have done the same if they had the facilities.

It probably didn't look as bad because the majority of the grid were on Michelins.

Michelin have lost the plot a bit.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Pedrosa...+me+embarrassed

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Tech+3+...lin+improvement