One tire rule a done deal?

by julian ryder
Saturday, August 16, 2008

A meeting is taking place right now between Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna boss) and the MotoGP riders. The subject? A one tyre rule?

Is this really necessary? All they have to do is wait for Honda to finally lose patience with Michelin--the 'Blade that won the 8 Hour was on Bridgestones--and we'll have a single-tyre supplier by default without having to write any rules.

ENDS

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 16 2008, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>by julian ryder
Saturday, August 16, 2008

A meeting is taking place right now between Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna boss) and the MotoGP riders. The subject? A one tyre rule?

Is this really necessary? All they have to do is wait for Honda to finally lose patience with Michelin--the 'Blade that won the 8 Hour was on Bridgestones--and we'll have a single-tyre supplier by default without having to write any rules.

ENDS
That is so lame.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 16 2008, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>by julian ryder
Saturday, August 16, 2008

A meeting is taking place right now between Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna boss) and the MotoGP riders. The subject? A one tyre rule?

Is this really necessary? All they have to do is wait for Honda to finally lose patience with Michelin--the 'Blade that won the 8 Hour was on Bridgestones--and we'll have a single-tyre supplier by default without having to write any rules.

ENDS
yeah, i think dorna are all to ready to flex there mussels and make pointless rules

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 16 2008, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah, i think dorna are all to ready to flex there mussels and make pointless rules
great the last seemingly pure racing series goes the way of the dodo.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 16 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>great the last seemingly pure racing series goes the way of the dodo.

+1

Its not the riders fault when Michelin time and time again .... up. Thats whats compromising racing.

I have no problem with a one tyre rule with a good company like Bridgestones backing.

A one tyre rule would do nothing but good for MotoGP at the moment. Michelin have ...... up Honda and the three Yamahas seasons and its time that we get good close fair racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 16 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah, i think dorna are all to ready to flex there mussels and make pointless rules

Are you saying it was OK for them to flex for Rossi but not the rest of the paddock.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 17 2008, 12:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you saying it was OK for them to flex for Rossi but not the rest of the paddock.
.... me ,dont you keep on. your like a ....... old woman mate. you keep banging on about this all the time that rossi "ordered "ezy to bla bla bla. for the LAST time. theres no proof he did only peeps who say he did but cant back it up with solid proof. BUT he he did then YES it was wrong. not wrong for a rider to try it on but wrong for ezy to give in.

note, i mean this in a friendly way and if we were talking about this over a beer i would be smiling so dont let the words upset you

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 17 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A one tyre rule would do nothing but good for MotoGP at the moment. Michelin have ...... up Honda and the three Yamahas seasons and its time that we get good close fair racing.
No one seemed to care before when Dunlop was there and was bad all the time. Michelin won just about everthing. Time for the frenchies to step it up and keep the sport the way it is supposed to be.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 17 2008, 12:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... me ,dont you keep on. your like a ....... old woman mate. you keep banging on about this all the time that rossi "ordered "ezy to bla bla bla. for the LAST time. theres no proof he did only peeps who say he did but cant back it up with solid proof. BUT he he did then YES it was wrong. not wrong for a rider to try it on but wrong for ezy to give in.

note, i mean this in a friendly way and if we were talking about this over a beer i would be smiling so dont let the words upset you
I think if it were over a few beers it might look something like this. Futhch mee whh ahalhdh a hbddbllllass you basstshgard. Hey barkeep givnmneth anthor beer you Son of a biihhththch.

2 bad races and it's all hell breaking loose. No one gave a .... when Bridgestone sucked for 5 years. One tire rule is an insult to motogp.

I like one tire rules. It only makes the racing better. Of course it is not good for the tire supplier that is out, and also not good for business, but good for the sport, more even playing field.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 16 2008, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... me ,dont you keep on. your like a ....... old woman mate. you keep banging on about this all the time that rossi "ordered "ezy to bla bla bla. for the LAST time. theres no proof he did only peeps who say he did but cant back it up with solid proof. BUT he he did then YES it was wrong. not wrong for a rider to try it on but wrong for ezy to give in.

note, i mean this in a friendly way and if we were talking about this over a beer i would be smiling so dont let the words upset you

Rossi is riding on the proof!

It doesn't matter whether he did or didn't want B-stones. Ezy didn't change them without Rossi asking. Bridgestone said no very publicly but Rossi still got the goods.

Ezy rewrote the rule book to make sure there was a championship race this season. Casey never stood a chance, it's amazing he is where he is considering he's fighting Rossi and the de facto governing body.

Why is everyone going on about Michelin sucking? They are by far the best. Michelin tires have long been far superior to Bridgestones because Michelin built one off tires at astronomical cost the night before the race. There competitive advantage (their location, distribution, and technical facilities) was terminated by DORNA (probably for the betterment of the sport).

Michelin didn't drop the ball. The governing body wrote a stupid rule that turned the sport upside down and led to a single tire manufacturer and boring racing. DORNA needed to cut costs, but it's apparent Ezy's plan was not clearly thought out.

Personally, I'm glad there is only going to be one tire manufacturer, now Ezy can stop controlling the tires.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 17 2008, 02:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2 bad races and it's all hell breaking loose. No one gave a .... when Bridgestone sucked for 5 years. One tire rule is an insult to motogp.

That's partly true. But when Bridgestone sucked they didn't have any championship aspirations for those years. That's the huge difference from where Michelin and their riders are now.
When the tires are a big part of who are able to fight for the championship hell should brake loose. It's natural and it's good. What Michelin has done the three last races are not good for the sport and should create noise.

PS! I'm not relly pro control tire, but see no reason to scream if they arrive. I would rather see groved tires in both WSBK and MotoGP. Tires with less grip and wear issues could very well be what is needed to give us racing back. And it would give us some interesting road legal tires with more motoGP technology from more than one manufacturer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Aug 17 2008, 02:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2 bad races and it's all hell breaking loose. No one gave a .... when Bridgestone sucked for 5 years. One tire rule is an insult to motogp.
I think tyres that don't the the job are an insult to motogp.
I think that tyres that riders need to trust with their lives at 300klph and which are not reliable are an insult to motogp.
I think riders who could be fighting for top positions and end up battling for 9th place are an insult to motogp.
I think tyres losing chunks out of them during a race (Rossi in china a couple of years back) are an insult to motogp.
I think having to listen race in race out about having a 'michelin track' or a 'bridgestone track' is an insult to motogp.
I think races being decided by tyre brand instead of rider and/or bike is a bigger insult to motogp than a one-tyre rule could ever be. I, for one, am tired of feeling like I'm watching a best tyre championship. I do not, in principle, agree with a one-tyre rule. BUT I think that each team should be able to decide for themselves, and therefore both tyre manufacturing should be WILLING TO SUPPLY ALL TEAMS, or stay out of it. And the teams should then be able to choose for themselves. I'd honestly like to see, given those conditions, if even ONE team would go for the Michelins next season.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 17 2008, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why is everyone going on about Michelin sucking? They are by far the best. Michelin tires have long been far superior to Bridgestones because Michelin built one off tires at astronomical cost the night before the race. There competitive advantage (their location, distribution, and technical facilities) was terminated by DORNA (probably for the betterment of the sport).
It depends on what you mean by 'the best'. Producing one-off good tyres which are perfect for one rider on one track does not make them the best. It makes them really good at one thing.

As for the one-tyre rule being a done deal...I think Honda gifting Nakano with an official bike is very telling. They obviously need bridgestone data for their new bike and that's the only way they're going to get any before next season to make sure they're developing next season's bike in the right direction should the Stones become available to all.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 17 2008, 06:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> Rossi is riding on the proof!

It doesn't matter whether he did or didn't want B-stones. Ezy didn't change them without Rossi asking. Bridgestone said no very publicly but Rossi still got the goods.

Ezy rewrote the rule book to make sure there was a championship race this season. Casey never stood a chance, it's amazing he is where he is considering he's fighting Rossi and the de facto governing body.

Why is everyone going on about Michelin sucking? They are by far the best. Michelin tires have long been far superior to Bridgestones because Michelin built one off tires at astronomical cost the night before the race. There competitive advantage (their location, distribution, and technical facilities) was terminated by DORNA (probably for the betterment of the sport).

Michelin didn't drop the ball. The governing body wrote a stupid rule that turned the sport upside down and led to a single tire manufacturer and boring racing. DORNA needed to cut costs, but it's apparent Ezy's plan was not clearly thought out.

Personally, I'm glad there is only going to be one tire manufacturer, now Ezy can stop controlling the tires.
just because he is riding on them is not proof that any under the table dealing was done, personally i think it was a done deal and all this stones saying no was just pr hype it got them in the highlight for months. rossi was right to want stones because everyone now inc jb is saying he made the right choice. the only wrong this is that they are not made available to everyone who wants them. it's would be like a control tyre by rider selection rather than a dorna rule.

if you think michilins are still better than stones mate then you need to take your medication. even if they could still have overnighters that does not mean they would be superior . different bikes ect so that is pure speculation. michilin had a lot of corporate struggles a couple of years back and i think there r&d suffered because of it and now they are several steps behind stones and cant catch up.

we must also remember that when michelin were on top that only the top riders were gifted the the best stuff including the "overnighters". as much as i've always been against control anything in gps, i think i'm ready to accept a single tire supplier for the good of the racing.

Motogp is a prototype series. That includes tires.
One tire series means less tire development.
Thats a backward step.

I don't think that would come to a true reality, Michellin can be competitive and it will be back at the top soon, having a bad moment I think, also Bridgestone said that tehy can provide all riders last years if I remeber well, I mean when Rossi wanted to switch.

But for today B was clearly superior on tires