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One bike test?

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kela66

Joined Mar 2008
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Newcastle Upon Tyne, U.K
Hello one and all,

Although i have been a member for a while and read this forum regularly i contribute very very little, i enjoy the very well debated and written posts and its obvious some members are bigger fans of certain riders than others, this may have been raised in the past but i have been thinking of how would it determine who is the best rider.

Would it be a case of every rider would have to use one machine?

obviously the engine would have to produce the same out put for everyone but would it be the same power delivery for the last rider as it was for the first?



every rider would be on the same tyre but are tyres produced in the same batch equal?



would the settings have to be set at a base level?

rider fittnes would have to be taken into consideration, obviously not carring any injuries and time spent in the gym limited, but then you have weight and size and age thrown in the mix?



you also have the weather to contend with, wind speed track temp etc.





With so many thing to take into account what im really asking is does anyone think there really could be a way of deciding who really is the best?

looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this matter

Davey
 
Put everybody on the same bike with more than enough power. Turn off all rider aids. Put them on a new track. Make sure Dorna is not involved in any way.



My prediction would be Stoner, Nicky, Spies, Lorenzo.
 
Jumkie said:
Put everybody on the same bike with more than enough power. Turn off all rider aids. Put them on a new track. Make sure Dorna is not involved in any way.



My prediction would be Stoner, Nicky, Spies, Lorenzo.
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Hmmm, nice fishing rod
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Austin said:
I think de Puniet would be a real dark horse if this ever happened.
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Cal Crutchlow for my outsider money would be a very hard competitor. Cal raced in the R6 cup, a wonderful support series in BSB organised by Rob McElnae to showcase upcoming talent on identical machinery in the national series on a very affordable budget. Of all the riders in its inaugural year Crutchlow and Tommy Hill really stood out.



Actually out of the class of 2011 I think Vale would be most up for this thread's suggestion and eager to impart a lesson or two to dispel the allegations of preferential treatment - although it's amazing what a bit of equitable equipment can do to level the playing field.





But nothing beats the legendary Pro Am Euro 350 LC Cup from the early '80s. Quite possibly the most cut throat, insane and deranged one make race series ever conceived. This'd sort the men from the boys. The entire Moto GP grid - choosing a key each out of a hat, identical old LC's....carnage.



Pro Am



Listen for Sheeney's commentary on the first clip:



[media]http://youtu.be/ZELpROV9lPo[/media]



[media]http://youtu.be/rdYT0NVyK9E[/media]



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Jumkie said:
Put everybody on the same bike with more than enough power. Turn off all rider aids. Put them on a new track. Make sure Dorna is not involved in any way.



My prediction would be Stoner, Nicky, Spies, Lorenzo.
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Rossi would definitely be there.
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Welcome. Interesting thread and a break from the monotony.



Best rider?



2 races in AMA SX

2 races in FIM Supermoto

2 races in WSS

2 races in WSBK

1 race in TT Zero

1 race in Senior TT

1 race in Dakar

1 race in Suzuka 8 hr

2 races in Moto3

2 races in Moto2

2 races in MotoGP



How many is that? 18? That will do nicely. Whoever wins that is the GOAT.
 
mylexicon said:
Welcome. Interesting thread and a break from the monotony.



Best rider?



2 races in AMA SX

2 races in FIM Supermoto

2 races in WSS

2 races in WSBK

1 race in TT Zero

1 race in Senior TT

1 race in Dakar

1 race in Suzuka 8 hr

2 races in Moto3

2 races in Moto2

2 races in MotoGP



How many is that? 18? That will do nicely. Whoever wins that is the GOAT.
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Combined time?
 
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Welcome. Interesting thread and a break from the monotony.



Best rider?



2 races in AMA SX

2 races in FIM Supermoto

2 races in WSS

2 races in WSBK

1 race in TT Zero

1 race in Senior TT

1 race in Dakar

1 race in Suzuka 8 hr

2 races in Moto3

2 races in Moto2

2 races in MotoGP



How many is that? 18? That will do nicely. Whoever wins that is the GOAT.



Not sure what TTZero has to do with who is the best rider, i would rather see a 1/2 mile and 1 mile flat track races on the list instead. I think my boy Nicky would fair quite well in most of those events. He is a good SX rider, really good Supermoto rider, a world champion road racer and a beast on the flat tracks. Its something i would pay to see for sure. Nicky should leave GP, get himself a WSBK title, leave there and get the final leg of the grand slam that he is missing, a 1 mile flat track win. That would put him in a class of 1 in US motorcycle racing history and one of the top motorcycle racers the world has ever seen.
 
povol said:
Not sure what TTZero has to do with who is the best rider, i would rather see a 1/2 mile and 1 mile flat track races on the list instead. I think my boy Nicky would fair quite well in most of those events. He is a good SX rider, really good Supermoto rider, a world champion road racer and a beast on the flat tracks. Its something i would pay to see for sure. Nicky should leave GP, get himself a WSBK title, leave there and get the final leg of the grand slam that he is missing, a 1 mile flat track win. That would put him in a class of 1 in US motorcycle racing history and one of the top motorcycle racers the world has ever seen.
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I knew I was forgetting something. Get rid of WSS (Moto2 is good enough). Add 2 flat track races at the Indy Mile.



TT Zero is just another discipline.
 
yamaka46 said:
Hmmm, nice fishing rod
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Oh, I'm sorry, I should have included Rossi, right?
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You haven't been listening, have you buddy. I'm one of the few who thinks Rossi got his GOAT status from a skewed playing field. He'd be nowhere special if the man had to contest the championship on equal footing. You have your opinion, but you, as anybody else, has yet to convince me otherwise. I've been saying this for years, but until he landed on the Ducati, a race winning bike up until he rode it, I had little vindication of my perspective on the series. Now he's where I think he belongs in terms of talent. In a desperate attempt to do more, it has actually cost others to suffer being taken out, something that by mere luck and other's ability to take evasive action, disaster hadn't happen before. So no finishing rod buddy, just my consistent opinion about what I think is what in GP. I never under estimate the ability of Dorna under the direction of Carmelo to advance his agenda at the expense of an authentic competition. Maybe you're buying it, I'm not. The topic explores the idea of assessing the best rider. Naturally this would mean having to neutralize advantages and equalize the playing field. Its a simple speculative topic. I suppose your opinion is Rossi would win, right? Fine.
 
mylexicon said:
Welcome. Interesting thread and a break from the monotony.



Best rider?



2 races in AMA SX

2 races in FIM Supermoto

2 races in WSS

2 races in WSBK

1 race in TT Zero

1 race in Senior TT

1 race in Dakar

1 race in Suzuka 8 hr

2 races in Moto3

2 races in Moto2

2 races in MotoGP



How many is that? 18? That will do nicely. Whoever wins that is the GOAT.
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The Dakar is too extreme and doesn't test rider skill as much as it does luck and good fortune. I'd be more inclined to shorten that race to say the Baja 500. If you're gonna have a AMA SX, I'd say split it, one SX and one MX. WSS & Moto2 are redundant, pick one. Take out TT Zero & Senior TT, just a straight up lap of the Isle of Man TT (we want them to live for the rest of the challenge). Moto3? Why? In that case lets have them race mini-motos--irrelevant. And yes, a flat track round must be included.



If you wanted to test the best rider on "two-wheels" then I guess your list is a good challenge after a few adjustments as I said above. But I think the idea here is to explore the best "roadracer". So I'd be more inclined to put them on a identical spec bike with plenty of power with no rider aids.
 
Arrabbiata1 said:
Cal Crutchlow for my outsider money would be a very hard competitor. Cal raced in the R6 cup, a wonderful support series in BSB organised by Rob McElnae to showcase upcoming talent on identical machinery in the national series on a very affordable budget. Of all the riders in its inaugural year Crutchlow and Tommy Hill really stood out.



Actually out of the class of 2011 I think Vale would be most up for this thread's suggestion and eager to impart a lesson or two to dispel the allegations of preferential treatment - although it's amazing what a bit of equitable equipment can do to level the playing field.





But nothing beats the legendary Pro Am Euro 350 LC Cup from the early '80s. Quite possibly the most cut throat, insane and deranged one make race series ever conceived. This'd sort the men from the boys. The entire Moto GP grid - choosing a key each out of a hat, identical old LC's....carnage.



Pro Am



Listen for Sheeney's commentary on the first clip:



[media]http://youtu.be/ZELpROV9lPo[/media]



[media]http://youtu.be/rdYT0NVyK9E[/media]



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Lord, I'd forgotten all about that series. Twas very cool. Kawasaki had done something similar in the '80s here in the States using the GPZ550. They ran it at the AMA Nationals with all the top riders participating, Lawson, Merkel etc. They were the most entertaining race of the weekend; totally cutthroat.
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Jumkie said:
Oh, I'm sorry, I should have included Rossi, right?
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You haven't been listening, have you buddy. I'm one of the few who thinks Rossi got his GOAT status from a skewed playing field. He'd be nowhere special if the man had to contest the championship on equal footing. You have your opinion, but you, as anybody else, has yet to convince me otherwise. I've been saying this for years, but until he landed on the Ducati, a race winning bike up until he rode it, I had little vindication of my perspective on the series. Now he's where I think he belongs in terms of talent. In a desperate attempt to do more, it has actually cost others to suffer being taken out, something that by mere luck and other's ability to take evasive action, disaster hadn't happen before. So no finishing rod buddy, just my consistent opinion about what I think is what in GP. I never under estimate the ability of Dorna under the direction of Carmelo to advance his agenda at the expense of an authentic competition. Maybe you're buying it, I'm not. The topic explores the idea of assessing the best rider. Naturally this would mean having to neutralize advantages and equalize the playing field. Its a simple speculative topic. I suppose your opinion is Rossi would win, right? Fine.
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I think Stoner would win.



Putting Hayden in but not Rossi or Pedrosa seems somewhat odd given their respective histories. Pedrosa has been in the series for three years less and yet has 13 wins to Hayden's 3. With regards to Rossi, especially 2004 when Hayden had the arguably better bike he was even beaten by his new team mate, Alex Barros. Barros was 4th in the championship with 165 points, Hayden 8th with 117. BTW, I am not one that argues (or has argued in the past) that Haydens WC was due to anything but genuinely being the best and most consistent rider that year. As this is pure speculation, if your opinion is Hayden would beat Rossi & Pedrosa, fine.
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povol said:
Best rider?



2 races in AMA SX

2 races in FIM Supermoto

2 races in WSS

2 races in WSBK

1 race in TT Zero

1 race in Senior TT

1 race in Dakar

1 race in Suzuka 8 hr

2 races in Moto3

2 races in Moto2

2 races in MotoGP



How many is that? 18? That will do nicely. Whoever wins that is the GOAT.



Not sure what TTZero has to do with who is the best rider, i would rather see a 1/2 mile and 1 mile flat track races on the list instead. I think my boy Nicky would fair quite well in most of those events. He is a good SX rider, really good Supermoto rider, a world champion road racer and a beast on the flat tracks. Its something i would pay to see for sure. Nicky should leave GP, get himself a WSBK title, leave there and get the final leg of the grand slam that he is missing, a 1 mile flat track win. That would put him in a class of 1 in US motorcycle racing history and one of the top motorcycle racers the world has ever seen.
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Just to make it even more of a Stoner stampede .....



you forgot



Speedway



and



Australian short circuit ( dirt track ) ...... ( flat track with at least one corner the other way )



he may have had a few wins in those disciplines as well

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What a stunning kid
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Jumkie said:
Put everybody on the same bike with more than enough power. Turn off all rider aids. Put them on a new track. Make sure Dorna is not involved in any way.



My prediction would be Stoner, Nicky, Spies, Lorenzo.
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that's made me fall of my chair best joke i read this year.

thank you Sir
 

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