Noyes Article on Speed

Bunyip · Mar 7, 2011

http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-invent-a-better-gearbox

Despite the Hondas being very impressive at Sepang, I was not convinced that the 2011 title was a shoe-in for Stoner, Pedrosa etc. Lorenzo and Spies looked like being right up there with the Hondas. Different circuits suit different bikes to a varying degree.

Not any more.

If the new gear box is the big technical breakthrough that it seems to be, then it really could be total Honda domination this year. This article quotes gains of 0.3 to 0.9 secs a lap. Lets call it 0.6 sec a lap gained from this...........thats over 10 secs a race. Game over. The other manufacturers will develop their own version, but by the time they get on board it will be too late.

As a Stoner fan it is appealing, but on second thoughts not.

2011 was anticipated as a great year for motogp. It could be the opposite. Just Stoner v Pedrosa with Dov/ Simoncelli/ Spies/Lorenzo fighting for 3rd...................and Rossi riding his heart out to minimize the embarresment. Honda has had 4 years of humiliation, but now it appears as if all the planets are in alignment and the victory could be TOO easy.

I believe that with Stoner and without the new gearbox, they would win, and without Stoner, but with the new gearbox, Pedrosa would win.

But with both........2011 could get really ugly for non-Hondas. I hope for the sake of closer racing that this new innovation is not as advantageous as suggested here.

Lebowski · Mar 7, 2011

Thanks Bunyip. Interesting indeed. I suspect Honda have got this box well sorted. Otherwise I don't think they would be saying anything public at all. The scary thing is they may have a fair margin for improvement yet.

BHarvey · Mar 7, 2011

The very funny part of all this is VR's ego....

If he would have put it aside and been thankful to Honda he might have been champ from 01-10 consecutively!

There is no doubt about his riding and development skills mixed with Honda's technical savvy he might have even retained the title in 07 against the Stoner/Bridgestone combo.

Tom · Mar 7, 2011

BHarvey said:
The very funny part of all this is VR's ego....

If he would have put it aside and been thankful to Honda he might have been champ from 01-10 consecutively!

There is no doubt about his riding and development skills mixed with Honda's technical savvy he might have even retained the title in 07 against the Stoner/Bridgestone combo.

If only life was that simple

BHarvey · Mar 7, 2011

Yes, hindsight kicks all our ......

dwoodhouse · Mar 7, 2011

BHarvey said:
The very funny part of all this is VR's ego....

If he would have put it aside and been thankful to Honda he might have been champ from 01-10 consecutively!

There is no doubt about his riding and development skills mixed with Honda's technical savvy he might have even retained the title in 07 against the Stoner/Bridgestone combo.

I thought there was a bit more to VR leaving Honda than just ego. It was all too easy at that time wasn't it and he was losing interest as he only had to ride round at 90%.

BHarvey · Mar 7, 2011

Remember Phillip Island 03, when VR said he rode at 100% the entire race to erase that 10 second penalty...

Watching him slide that bike all the way round the track lap after lap was pure poetry, much like Anthony Gobert in 94 at said track.

Goberts was more intense as you knew he was coming off at any time!

Andy Roo · Mar 7, 2011

BHarvey said:
The very funny part of all this is VR's ego....

If he would have put it aside and been thankful to Honda he might have been champ from 01-10 consecutively!

There is no doubt about his riding and development skills mixed with Honda's technical savvy he might have even retained the title in 07 against the Stoner/Bridgestone combo.

All except for Stoner and Bridgestone that is a pretty fair theory.

If they were still allowing Michelin to do the overnighters then yes, very possible, but that had stopped by then and the Michelin wasn't in it, even if VR was

Jumkie · Mar 7, 2011

Well ther u hav it folks. The 2011 season theme! Rossi lost to Stoner cuz Casey had a technical advantage on Honda. Geez, Stoner will never escape it. Doomed for life.

Btw, turns out Stoner had reverted to a 2 year old electronics package. How did Babelflush miss this?

Jumkie · Mar 7, 2011

woody996 said:
I thought there was a bit more to VR leaving Honda than just ego. It was all too easy at that time wasn't it and he was losing interest as he only had to ride round at 90%.

Dont kid urself, Rossi left cuz of ego. Period. He got away with it first time cuz he went to the 2nd best Jap bike, but it bit him in the ... this time.

dwoodhouse · Mar 7, 2011

Jumkie said:
Dont kid urself, Rossi left cuz of ego. Period. He got away with it first time cuz he went to the 2nd best Jap bike, but it bit him in the ... this time.

It hasn't bit him on the arse quite yet as not having a good test doesn't mean he's already lost the races. Reassess whose arse has been bitten at the end of the season.

Pigeon · Mar 8, 2011

sounds like its took honda years to catch up since03 they ain't done .... (06 a given)and 2011 is here

suppose you got to give a dog a bone now and again maybe 2011 is it.

Stoner goes to honda and gets it on a plate

.....wait wait November isnt here yet

If Honda's Clutchgate works good luck to them they spend enough

2011 snorefest will start very soon

Talpa · Mar 8, 2011

Interesting, at least 06 to 0.9 per lap from the box........that makes everyone else's test times look very competitive, and as many reasonable viewpoints have suggested, Honda has just raised the bar significantly.

In order to win though, one must first finish. I'd prefer not to doomsday the season yet.

Maybe VR is the lucky Alien by not piloting a Japanese machine, if what Kropo says is true and their cultural attitudes may be affecting the competition this year........one can only hope though that this is not only not true but not possible.....

heyhuub · Mar 8, 2011

Nah, Stoner and Pedrosa will have to watch out for the elbows of a certain man which will come flying through.

sarita · Mar 8, 2011

BHarvey said:
Yes, hindsight kicks all our ......

It's not hindsight, it is perhaps complacence (which thankfully Rossi does not possess). There will not have been a new gear box technology at all had Vale remained with Honda. He may have won many years with them, and losing a year or two will not have driven them to take this big innovative leaps. I could be wrong, but this is a desperate measure by Honda to win this last 800cc crown on a war footing. Look at the space race, we'd never have made it to the moon had it not been for the stifling competition by the Soviet Union that made politically astute leaders take drastic steps in scientific innovation. Now, I wonder if we will even go beyond earth orbit ever again - I'd love to be proven wrong though

.

Mental Anarchist · Mar 8, 2011

I was wondering why there was an article over on crash.net about Rossi declaring that he would go to WSBK with Ducati. Now I know why. Someone has a technical advantage and political pressure needs to be applied to make sure that the right people can get there hands on the same technical advantage or have it removed from those who shouldn't have it.

BHarvey · Mar 8, 2011

The top 4 are so close in pure talent, it will take SOME kind of advantage for any to win consistently.

It always has....

povol · Mar 8, 2011

Bunyip said:
http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-invent-a-better-gearbox

Despite the Hondas being very impressive at Sepang, I was not convinced that the 2011 title was a shoe-in for Stoner, Pedrosa etc. Lorenzo and Spies looked like being right up there with the Hondas. Different circuits suit different bikes to a varying degree.

Not any more.

If the new gear box is the big technical breakthrough that it seems to be, then it really could be total Honda domination this year. This article quotes gains of 0.3 to 0.9 secs a lap. Lets call it 0.6 sec a lap gained from this...........thats over 10 secs a race. Game over. The other manufacturers will develop their own version, but by the time they get on board it will be too late.

As a Stoner fan it is appealing, but on second thoughts not.

2011 was anticipated as a great year for motogp. It could be the opposite. Just Stoner v Pedrosa with Dov/ Simoncelli/ Spies/Lorenzo fighting for 3rd...................and Rossi riding his heart out to minimize the embarresment. Honda has had 4 years of humiliation, but now it appears as if all the planets are in alignment and the victory could be TOO easy.

I believe that with Stoner and without the new gearbox, they would win, and without Stoner, but with the new gearbox, Pedrosa would win.

But with both........2011 could get really ugly for non-Hondas. I hope for the sake of closer racing that this new innovation is not as advantageous as suggested here.

Being that this is supposed to be prototype racing, i will accept the results of the season on those merits alone. I have said it before, i could care less if every race is a photo finish, thats generally not what prototype racing is all about. If Honda wins every race and finishes 1-5 in points, i will salute them for the advancements they have made to the sport. There is always WSBK for the fan who want rules based finishes. Many conversations lately about how Superbike has damn near caught GP in performance, then bam, in one technical move, they have separated themselves. GP needs more of this type innovation to survive.

BHarvey · Mar 8, 2011

Give the teams one rule, a displacement maximum with no other stipulations and you will see true prototype racing!

Think about how cool it would be to hear a 3-4 rotor wankel spinning at 20,000 rpm's!

Or a bike with an MYT engine that is sized appropriately and you could have a 120lb bike with stupid power.

Bring 'TRUE' innovation and the advancements will seriously gap the current WSB laptimes.

Jumkie · Mar 8, 2011

woody996 said:
It hasn't bit him on the arse quite yet as not having a good test doesn't mean he's already lost the races. Reassess whose arse has been bitten at the end of the season.

Fair enough.

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