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neptune
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Vancouver
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UK
Wow....What about KRJR or Alex Criville?
It seems it only takes a winning the MotoGP title or death to make it in....so we might as put all top level champs in the legend status....
Why not add Biaggi?
Clearly it is conspiracy!!!
Congrats to Nicky....
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Tar Heel State
One of Nicky's biggest fans, but MotoGP legend?
I guess for me I put legend pretty high on the mantle.
I'll get flack for this because as an American I should automatically say yes, well deserved, it's about time!
I know everyone in the MotoGP paddock and press corps respect Nicky, but do they think he's a legend because he's a nice guy and works hard?
Yes, he has one world championship in the premier class, but there are a lot of guys out there with no world championships that could probably be put closer to legend status.
Don't know, feels cheap to me.
....Flame away!......
I guess for me I put legend pretty high on the mantle.
I'll get flack for this because as an American I should automatically say yes, well deserved, it's about time!
I know everyone in the MotoGP paddock and press corps respect Nicky, but do they think he's a legend because he's a nice guy and works hard?
Yes, he has one world championship in the premier class, but there are a lot of guys out there with no world championships that could probably be put closer to legend status.
Don't know, feels cheap to me.
....Flame away!......
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UK
BITE YOUR TONGUE.....lol...
I do think though that Capirossi should be on the list as well....
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Your Mom's House
This has less to do with Nicky as it does with DORNA. (Repeat this until it sinks in, or get someone to explain it). Its like when FIFA gave Messi the 2015 World Farce MVP. That was about FIFA not Messi.
We really can't discuss the merits of such an award without FIRST putting DORNA into the cross hairs, to do so is disingenuous at best. Shame on us for what is sure to be the fodder, disparaging a honest career because it's now a subject (again) that it is not worthy.
Edit to add: Krops, my question is how will you drive the discussion given your considerable platform? Will DORNA be weaved into the discussion, and if so in what light? It's sure to become a one sided debate, will any attempt be made to bring proper honest perspective?
We really can't discuss the merits of such an award without FIRST putting DORNA into the cross hairs, to do so is disingenuous at best. Shame on us for what is sure to be the fodder, disparaging a honest career because it's now a subject (again) that it is not worthy.
Edit to add: Krops, my question is how will you drive the discussion given your considerable platform? Will DORNA be weaved into the discussion, and if so in what light? It's sure to become a one sided debate, will any attempt be made to bring proper honest perspective?
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neptune
"well, we got rid of all the american riders, and are slowly getting rid of the american tracks...the least we can do is put nicky in the hall of fame."
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Pomona NY
Guess it depends on what math you use to arrive at "Legend".
Schwantz "only" won a single championship. Yet there are few who'd argue that he's not a GP legend. For serious fans of this sport - it's not about the numbers. There are certain riders who capture the hearts of the fans whether because of riding a ...... RG like Schwantz did for much of his career and being competitive despite it, or riding injured like Schwantz and Doohan did so often or in general - being the underdog - there are so many factors that we admire the hell out of. I think for sure that Nicky falls under the category "Legend" because of the underdog factor, his being on the Honda as the understudy and R&D parts donkey, with Repsol giving all their attention to Puig's prodigy. It's more than simply winning races. We go to the track not just to see who beats who or what company spends the most money. We go to be entertained. 2006 captured everyone's attention with the unproven Superbike kid from the sticks going up against one of the all time favorite riders in the world. The fact that the season was so memorable and drove so much controversy would also have to be a factor. So - my vote is a solid yes.
Schwantz "only" won a single championship. Yet there are few who'd argue that he's not a GP legend. For serious fans of this sport - it's not about the numbers. There are certain riders who capture the hearts of the fans whether because of riding a ...... RG like Schwantz did for much of his career and being competitive despite it, or riding injured like Schwantz and Doohan did so often or in general - being the underdog - there are so many factors that we admire the hell out of. I think for sure that Nicky falls under the category "Legend" because of the underdog factor, his being on the Honda as the understudy and R&D parts donkey, with Repsol giving all their attention to Puig's prodigy. It's more than simply winning races. We go to the track not just to see who beats who or what company spends the most money. We go to be entertained. 2006 captured everyone's attention with the unproven Superbike kid from the sticks going up against one of the all time favorite riders in the world. The fact that the season was so memorable and drove so much controversy would also have to be a factor. So - my vote is a solid yes.
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I like Nicky, but a legend he isn't, in fact half the people in it shouldn't be there.
Just look at who is in there, for a start Simoncelli certainly shouldn't all he did was die.
I feel that it should only include those who won more than 3 world titles.
Just look at who is in there, for a start Simoncelli certainly shouldn't all he did was die.
I feel that it should only include those who won more than 3 world titles.
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I don't know the answer to this, but is there any rider who has won a championship that is not a legend? Also, How many riders who never won championship are legends
Where does this put Dani's career
Where does this put Dani's career
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Chertsey, Surrey, UK
Nicky is not a MotoGP legend. A noteworthy rider of course but that's it. I agree with Jum. This is DORNA. They have their reasons.
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Pomona NY
All due respect (as if I had to say it) what motivation do you attribute Dorna's decision?
Kesh, to me a legend is all about results and just as I felt with CS, Nicky has not achieved enough in pure results terms.
At the time CS was inducted I stated that I felt that a minimum of 3 World Titles is the starting point for a legend (barring a career cut short for injury) as this level of results shows longevity and high achievement across a lengthy time.
People should not (IMO) be a legend because they are a nice guy or because they underachieved due to equipment (some would or could argue that they did have good equipment for a while and still achieved little).
Now, we are talking MotoGP Legends here as well, not motorcycle racing legends and if we go down the path of inducting Nicky than every single MotoGP or 500cc (as that seems to have been drawn into the MotoGP titling) champion must be inducted
The sports true legends should not have their records adjudged against riders who are inducted for popularity reasons (either their own, or the organisers)
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NJ
Thing is though, Stoner's induction was merited based on what he did...even more so with the hindsight we have now regarding what he accomplished. At the time yeah it seemed more questionable, but looking back, what he did on the Ducati's carbon fiber chassis is something no one in history has been able to duplicate. Only man to win a premier class race --multiple at that-- on a carbon fiber chassis.
Nothing against Nicky, but circling around the past few years in the midfield to backmarker area is something you've got to take into account when looking at his overall body of work.
This is a guy that has won 3 races in MotoGP.
3 races...think about that.
That's not even close to being a MotoGP Legend.
Kevin Schwantz had 25 premier class victories...that's a far different deal than Nicky who has the 1 title as well, but only 3 victories. 8x as many victories as Nicky, almost double the amount of podiums.
Jums is right though...this is being done because it benefits DORNA, not because it benefits anyone else.
Hayden goes to WSBK
I think that this is a ploy to keep American viewers interested as soon there will be no American riders.
Hayden is a decent rider. What are the criteria to be a legend?
I think that this is a ploy to keep American viewers interested as soon there will be no American riders.
Hayden is a decent rider. What are the criteria to be a legend?
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NJ
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