New rules for 2010

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 29 2009, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What is the reason or justification for banning rookies from factory teams?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 29 2009, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are they going to scrap rookie of the year when there are no private or sat teams left ?
I interpreted the Rookie of the Year thing as you can be a rookie on a factory team, but you will not be eligible for the Rookie of the Year award unless you're on a satellite/private bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Mar 30 2009, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I interpreted the Rookie of the Year thing as you can be a rookie on a factory team, but you will not be eligible for the Rookie of the Year award unless you're on a satellite/private bike.

AAAHHH, now that i would understand. I truly hope that is the case, and thanks for pointing it out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Mar 30 2009, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I interpreted the Rookie of the Year thing as you can be a rookie on a factory team, but you will not be eligible for the Rookie of the Year award unless you're on a satellite/private bike.
I agree with tom that this would make some kind of (perhaps even good) sense but I fear it is not the case, not according to superbikeplanet whom I presume were directly quoting the rules as released by FIM.

"For 2010

19. Riders who enter the Championship for the first time (Rookies) must be entered by a non-factory Team."

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Mar 30 2009, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with tom that this would make some kind of (perhaps even good) sense but I fear it is not the case, not according to superbikeplanet whom I presume were directly quoting the rules as released by FIM.

"For 2010

19. Riders who enter the Championship for the first time (Rookies) must be entered by a non-factory Team."

Yea i went back and looked at the wording more carefully, i think it is what we fear

What are they doing to MotoGP!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Mar 31 2009, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What are they doing to MotoGP!
@ the moment, anything they want it seems...

What's a factory team?

Just out of curiosity, let's say Yamaha "withdrew" their motogp effort as factory, let their racing team become it's own entity (ex. Jeremy's Racing Team), then Yamaha just became the title sponsor (Jeremy-Yamaha). Could they hire top rookies then?

What happens to Suzuki? Make Loris ride til he's a granddad?

about this "rookie" rule, just wondering how realistic this situation will be...

in the past, what often happened was that the rookie joined a satellite team, impressed in year one and then went into the factory team. if they then did ok but nothing spectacular, they went back to a satellite team and slowly slipped out of gps and into AMA/BSB/WSB etc...
now what will happen is the first year on a sat bike, followed by a year on the works bike. if no results are forthcoming, then its outta motogp and off to WSB because there are no available seats because they are all occupied by rookies for the factories or a senior rider who has a special skill ie development..
this means that there will be even more pressure to deliver results and the rider turnover in motogp will be much higher because of that.
eg. Tech3...CE and JT will be out of there in 2010. unless JT does enough to earn a factory ride, he is gone and CE will be retired too. those seats will be taken by spies and simonchelli/bautista because that is where they will have to go if yamaha want to keep them in the family. there will be a problem tho because in 2011 will there be one or 2 seats at fiat-yam? if rossi retires, there will be but if not, IMO only jorge will be gone. if lorenzo looks like rossi's heir apparent then he might be there still too and so where will spies etc go? thats just yamaha, what about honda? IMO RdP, AdA , TE and Taka are all in the firing line even moreso than usual. if they dont produce a brilliant season then IMO they are all gone in 2011.

Its like there trying to make a rookie class within the top class. They'd be better of just improving the situation with the lack of satellite support.

WSBK FTW

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Apr 1 2009, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>about this "rookie" rule, just wondering how realistic this situation will be...

in the past, what often happened was that the rookie joined a satellite team, impressed in year one and then went into the factory team. if they then did ok but nothing spectacular, they went back to a satellite team and slowly slipped out of gps and into AMA/BSB/WSB etc...
now what will happen is the first year on a sat bike, followed by a year on the works bike. if no results are forthcoming, then its outta motogp and off to WSB because there are no available seats because they are all occupied by rookies for the factories or a senior rider who has a special skill ie development..
this means that there will be even more pressure to deliver results and the rider turnover in motogp will be much higher because of that.
eg. Tech3...CE and JT will be out of there in 2010. unless JT does enough to earn a factory ride, he is gone and CE will be retired too. those seats will be taken by spies and simonchelli/bautista because that is where they will have to go if yamaha want to keep them in the family. there will be a problem tho because in 2011 will there be one or 2 seats at fiat-yam? if rossi retires, there will be but if not, IMO only jorge will be gone. if lorenzo looks like rossi's heir apparent then he might be there still too and so where will spies etc go? thats just yamaha, what about honda? IMO RdP, AdA , TE and Taka are all in the firing line even moreso than usual. if they dont produce a brilliant season then IMO they are all gone in 2011.



Definitely true if things stay the same; however, we already know major changes will occur in the next few years. Dorna are feverishly working on attracting more sponsors and adding more equipment to the MotoGP grid. More importantly, though, is the new Moto2 class. If they can successfully keep TC out of Moto2, I truly believe it will become one of the greatest racing spectacles on the planet.

In other words, people will probably go back to Moto2 quite happily.

Dorna is affirming what some of us already knew--that this series is a farce. What I see in the rules are a punishment for Ducati's innovation, a dumbing down of talent pool willing to give GP a chance but now considering full factory rides in WSBK, no cost cutting attempts but rather the opposite, no concern for safety, seriously, every time they use the word "safety" we should input the word "........", and to top it off, the racing will continue to be a procession.

Dorna is stupid. Its really too bad for us that we are so addicted to the sport that we have to stand for this ......... But then again, AMA is also being run into the ground ATM. Ah, this can only spell viewership and interesting increasing for WSBK, and frankly, its well deserved.

How long does a race engine last for? How many would a team go through in a season? Assume that depuniet isn't on the team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 30 2009, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea i went back and looked at the wording more carefully, i think it is what we fear

The rookie exclusion from factory teams is a most absurd thing. It could actually be a very good favor they do to WSBK, because people like Smoncelli or bautista could decide to move to WSBK instead of MotoGP, race for a season or two there, and then enter MotoGP, maybe as WSBK World Champions...

Or perhaps by that time MotoGP will be virtually dead and WSBK become the main series, with some intelligent change in the rules...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J4rn0 @ Apr 2 2009, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The rookie exclusion from factory teams is a most absurd thing. It could actually be a very good favor they do to WSBK, because people like Smoncelli or bautista could decide to move to WSBK instead of MotoGP, race for a season or two there, and then enter MotoGP, maybe as WSBK World Champions...

Or perhaps by that time MotoGP will be virtually dead and WSBK become the main series, with some intelligent change in the rules...

^+1

it also will artificially keep top riders in the new moto2 class for longer which is silly of dorna, because tv viewers=money and which class has the biggest worldwide audience?

they must be tired of running a race series and are now deliberately sabotaging it so they can take up shares in FGSports...

Flamini: Rookie rule is a gift to WSBK



Salt into the wounds

i don't see why the rookie rule would keep rookies from motogp, either in superbike or moto2/250. It's not like staying in another series for longer can make you exempt from this rule, so riders will still want to get into GP as soon as possible and get some experience. Perhaps the factories will put more resources into supplying satellite teams if thats what they need to do to secure the services of the best new riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 3 2009, 08:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i don't see why the rookie rule would keep rookies from motogp, either in superbike or moto2/250. It's not like staying in another series for longer can make you exempt from this rule, so riders will still want to get into GP as soon as possible and get some experience. Perhaps the factories will put more resources into supplying satellite teams if thats what they need to do to secure the services of the best new riders.
I think the basic idea is to help the satellite teams, the question as with most rule changes dorna has instigated is whether it will work in practice even if it is well intentioned. I can't see it as anything but a disincentive for superbike riders considering joining motogp, and the flamminis seem to agree, but then I guess they would say that. You might argue that superbike has contributed little to motogp except nicky hayden of late, but vermeulen looks to have some chance of making more impact this year, and great talents have come by this path in the past. Simoncelli from grand prix racing might be tempted by a full works ride for aprilia superbike (although I tend to doubt it), but if so motogp will be poorer for his absence and that of spies if spies is prompted to stay in wsbk as he seems to be intimating.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Apr 3 2009, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the basic idea is to help the satellite teams, the question as with most rule changes dorna has instigated is whether it will work in practice even if it is well intentioned. I can't see it as anything but a disincentive for superbike riders considering joining motogp, and the flamminis seem to agree, but then I guess they would say that. You might argue that superbike has contributed little to motogp except nicky hayden of late, but vermeulen looks to have some chance of making more impact this year, and great talents have come by this path in the past. Simoncelli from grand prix racing might be tempted by a full works ride for aprilia superbike (although I tend to doubt it), but if so motogp will be poorer for his absence and that of spies if spies is prompted to stay in wsbk as he seems to be intimating.

Well the way i see it, nobody ever expects to be a title contender in their rookie motogp season and very few ever really have been. With that in mind the rule wont turn people away from motogp rides as they will see the big picture. If anything it might make the idea less risky for riders like Spies because they will be in the same boat as all the 250 hot shots and wont have to try and fight with weaker teams/machinary and wind up riding inferior equipment their entire career and blame it on never having the same opertunities. For as long as motogp remains the pinnacle i don't think many riders will go to superbike because they will have a more competative rookie season rather than seeing the bigger picture.