New Regulations and New Punishments on Factories ?.

povol said:

Considering tech regs have reportedly been ripped from the factories [Honda's"] bloody fingers, How could Honda threaten anyone. Are the clowns at Ducati unaware that the MSMA {Honda} has been stripped of their ability to make rules that benefit only them.

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This was before Carmelo evolved into a vertebrate.

The economic crisis, more than Carmelo, might be the one factor that brings CRT up and transforms manufacturers into engine suppliers.

As far as the riders wanting to only ride the best, if the new generation of bikes - MotoGP, Moto1 or CRT are still the fastest in the world, and you want to be recognized as the best in the world you will have to ride and win on the current machine. Really even the 800's could be made quicker without the rules holding them back. The argument of not wanting to compete because of rule changes is a bit hollow. By the way I support Casey.

povol said:

Exactly, all you have to do is dumb down the entire motorcycle racing world, and everything will be peachy .

GP = Superbike

Superbike = Superstock

Superstock= Why the .... bother

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You don't even know the definition or concepts of FIM Superbike, FIM Supersport, and FIM Superstock. Furthermore, you don't know how they relate to new rules standards like DSB, BSB Evo (old and new).



Why would you beat your head against a wall, and lose sleep over the loss of concepts and technologies you don't even understand?

Kropotkin said:

A little - entirely unsubstantiated - story. For a long time, it looked like Ducati wouldn't go to Motegi, and would allow their riders and mechanics to stay home, unpunished. This did not please Honda. Honda told Ducati that if they ever wanted any particular piece of the technical regulations changed, Ducati might want to attend Motegi. Ducati came, testing restrictions were dropped, minimum weights went up. This is not an isolated incident.



Of course, that's leaving aside ridiculousness of the Chicken Little attitude that the Italians had towards radiation, but that's not the point.

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Maybe it wasn't some chicken little attitude rather a smart chess move forcing the hands of the powers that be to say ok, show up in motegi and you'll get what you want. Italians ususally are the ones making the offers no one can refuse.

povol said:

Actually i do, but i was talking more in terms of performance

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The FIM tuning standards don't have a direct relation to performance. A company can sell an FIM SBK as a stock bike, but it isn't a practical strategy, and it would defeat the purpose of the tuning standards. FIM Superbike is about dumbing down production bikes (good for consumers), not smarting up the race bikes. The more parts the factories can modify, the dumber the related street bike can be, which is what the Japanese have wanted since the 1000cc era. The 750cc homologation specials still make modern 1000cc production bikes look like wooden sailing vessels. Only Ducati have continued making cutting-edge consumer kit b/c that's part of how Corse funds its racing activities. Therein lies part of the friction between Ducati and the Japanese manufacturers.



You're in a complete panic, worried sick about the dumbing-down of racebikes and performance. Meanwhile the MSMA (Nakamoto and Preziosi, publicly) are panicked that the production-engine-GP-concept will force them to develop completely new "smarted up" production engines for GP competition. The MSMA's reaction what you'd expect if you understand that loose tuning standards allow for dumb production bikes. Furthermore, the MSMA are opposed to hard horsepower restrictions like rev limits, but they are absolutely opposed to selling de-tuned GP race engines in series production bikes. CRT is definitely a safety net in case of MSMA withdrawal, but it could also be a bargaining chip--something to concede without losing focus of hard horsepower controls, particularly rev limits which force participants to run 1000cc (the 81mm bore limit doesn't require 1000cc).



If you want to understand what's going on, you need to think in a completely different dimension. Performance and the relative 'smartness' of racing bikes are not the issues at hand.