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New Regulations and New Punishments on Factories ?.

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FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix

Decision of the Grand Prix Commission



The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Ignacio Verneda

(FIM Executive Director, Sport), Herve Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA) in the presence of

Javier Alonso (Dorna), Mike Trimby (IRTA) and Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held on

14 December in Madrid, decided the following:

Application effective from 01 January 2012





Sporting Regulations



A revised wording of the testing regulation was approved. This incorporated the various decisions made

earlier in 2011 concerning this matter. Additionally it was decided that contracted riders in the MotoGP

class may also test machines using the allocation of 240 tyres available to each manufacturer's team.

Previously such testing was restricted to test riders only. In the interest of fair competition it was also

agreed that other MotoGP class riders could exclusively test their team machines with a limit of 120 tyres

per rider.



It was agreed that riders who did not qualify for the race based on their time in the qualifying practice

can qualify if they achieve a time at least equal to 107% of the fastest rider in the warm up. This is an

addition to the previous regulation which only considered free practice sessions.



Under the regulation concerning MotoGP class riders starting the race from pit lane due to an engine

durability sanction, it was agreed that in future they will start ten seconds after the green light is shown

at the pit lane exit.



Riders in all classes may now use a starter engine on the grid. For all classes tyre warmers may now

remain in place until the display of the one minute board. Generators must still be removed at the three

minute board.



Technical Regulations



With effect from 2012, for all classes, it will be compulsory to display a red rear light in rain conditions.



The minimum weight limits for 1000cc machines in the MotoGP class will be increased from the current

153 kilos.



Effective 2012 157 kilos

Effective 2013 160 kilos




The permitted wheel sizes for the Moto3 class were confirmed as:



Front 2.50" x 17" only

Rear 3.50" x 17" only



Several detail changes to regulations, submitted by the Technical Director were all approved.



A list of MotoGP class entries for 2012 was considered by the Commission. The list contained nine entries

plus one reserve entry using CRT machinery of various types. Participation of all CRT entries was approved

by the Commission on the understanding that the granting of CRT Status was subject to review by the

Grand Prix Commission at any time.



Disciplinary and Arbitration Code



The authority and competence of the Race Direction to impose penalties was extended to cover failure by

any party to ensure the efficient running of events or for serious breaches of the regulations
 
Great idea that, soon cutting edge motogp bikes will weigh more than road bikes. Idiots. Actually it means Rossi needs to lose weight, only good for CRT with more fuel. Obviously a reaction to recent test times.
 
I would like to know when the teams were made aware of these weights. Have they been building and balancing the 1000's for the last 1 1/2 years around these weights, or is this another move by Ezzy to .... with the factories. At the very least, it just made getting to the finish line that much more diffigult for the factory squads I think it would be funny if the factories, especially Honda, started flooding GP with cheap sattelite machines, just to .... with Dorna and their prized CRT's.
 
We don't even know what capacity the factories are running so this might be an anti-CRT rule. Maybe it is a pro-Inmotec rule.
 
I would like to know when the teams were made aware of these weights. Have they been building and balancing the 1000's for the last 1 1/2 years around these weights, or is this another move by Ezzy to .... with the factories. At the very least, it just made getting to the finish line that much more diffigult for the factory squads I think it would be funny if the factories, especially Honda, started flooding GP with cheap sattelite machines, just to .... with Dorna and their prized CRT's.



I think Dorna would be ok with this.
 
If Honda has the best electronics and fuel saving engine tech like everyone keeps saying they will be laughing about increased weight. It would make more sense to me to lower the weight limit. Imagine watching them ride 250+hp 135kg monster wheelie machines. Bigger riders might get to use their body as ballast like they used to on 500's. Smaller riders called Pedro might need to add ballast to their bike or themselves.
 
I would like to know when the teams were made aware of these weights. Have they been building and balancing the 1000's for the last 1 1/2 years around these weights, or is this another move by Ezzy to .... with the factories. At the very least, it just made getting to the finish line that much more diffigult for the factory squads I think it would be funny if the factories, especially Honda, started flooding GP with cheap sattelite machines, just to .... with Dorna and their prized CRT's.



Informed rumor suggests that Ducati asked for this. The mini sub frame design's main advantage was of being light. A full twin spar aluminium chassis is a lot heavier. I have no independent verification of this, but several good sources indicate it is correct. Dorna is happy to go along with it because it helps the CRT bikes as well.



And we wouldn't have the CRT rules if Honda was flooding MotoGP with cheap satellite bikes. Honda was asked many, many times to make cheap bikes available, or to lease their engines at an affordable price, and they refused point-blank. If you want to blame anyone for the CRT rules and the introduction of production engines into MotoGP, then blame Honda.
 
Informed rumor suggests that Ducati asked for this. The mini sub frame design's main advantage was of being light. A full twin spar aluminium chassis is a lot heavier. I have no independent verification of this, but several good sources indicate it is correct. Dorna is happy to go along with it because it helps the CRT bikes as well.



And we wouldn't have the CRT rules if Honda was flooding MotoGP with cheap satellite bikes. Honda was asked many, many times to make cheap bikes available, or to lease their engines at an affordable price, and they refused point-blank. If you want to blame anyone for the CRT rules and the introduction of production engines into MotoGP, then blame Honda.

If any of that is true, it hurts the GP brand. You cannot have fans thinking rules are being passed to enhance one competitor over another. Can GP withstand anymore of Dorna's delegitimization.



Just out of curiosity, why only Honda.Why not blame Yamaha as well. Did they offer cheap sattelite machines for the masses.
 
If any of that is true, it hurts the GP brand. You cannot have fans thinking rules are being passed to enhance one competitor over another. Can GP withstand anymore of Dorna's delegitimization.



Just out of curiosity, why only Honda.Why not blame Yamaha as well. Did they offer cheap sattelite machines for the masses.



Honda RC213V: 4.5 million euros

Yamaha M1: 2.5 million euros.



That's why Honda. The Yamaha isn't cheap, but it isn't exorbitant.



And of course, Honda got us into the 800 hellhole in the first pace. They told the MSMA they wanted 800s, the MSMA told the GPC they wanted 800s, they got 800s.
 
Honda RC213V: 4.5 million euros

Yamaha M1: 2.5 million euros.



That's why Honda. The Yamaha isn't cheap, but it isn't exorbitant.



And of course, Honda got us into the 800 hellhole in the first pace. They told the MSMA they wanted 800s, the MSMA told the GPC they wanted 800s, they got 800s.



How come more teams didnt flock to Yamaha the last 5 years.
 
How come more teams didnt flock to Yamaha the last 5 years.





Two reasons:



1. Hondas were always a bit more expensive than the Yamahas, but Honda really put their prices up this year. 2010, an RC212V might have cost 2.5 million to Yamaha's 2 million, 2012 prices are through the roof.



2. Yamaha will only supply 4 MotoGP bikes, 2 to the factory team and 2 to Poncharal.
 
Was the V5 honda cheap? Really that first year of 990's should have been an absolute disaster for motogp, with every other bike struggling and only only two works honda's.

I wonder how it survived. Oh yeah Rossi rode one, so everyone loved Honda, even though they totally dominated the early 990's in a more boring way than this year.
 
Was the V5 honda cheap? Really that first year of 990's should have been an absolute disaster for motogp, with every other bike struggling and only only two works honda's.

I wonder how it survived. Oh yeah Rossi rode one, so everyone loved Honda, even though they totally dominated the early 990's in a more boring way than this year.



MotoGP was definitely in dire straights after 2002-2003, and that is why I have started the completely unsubstantiated theory that Dorna moved Rossi to Yamaha, and that Honda let him go on purpose for the good of the sport (and to fulfill the idea that anyone can win on a Honda).



Before people begin with the character assassination, Rossi is clearly a Dorna insider these days whether he's talking about the importance of global growth or politicking for Bridgestones. When did Rossi's relationship with Dorna start? Now let you minds ponder what they should have been pondering all along. It's the off season so it's not like we don't have the time.
 
MotoGP was definitely in dire straights after 2002-2003, and that is why I have started the completely unsubstantiated theory that Dorna moved Rossi to Yamaha, and that Honda let him go on purpose for the good of the sport (and to fulfill the idea that anyone can win on a Honda).



The tail does not wag the dog, my friend.
 
Two reasons:



1. Hondas were always a bit more expensive than the Yamahas, but Honda really put their prices up this year. 2010, an RC212V might have cost 2.5 million to Yamaha's 2 million, 2012 prices are through the roof.



2. Yamaha will only supply 4 MotoGP bikes, 2 to the factory team and 2 to Poncharal.

Then blame Yamaha for small grids. Maybe if they had supplied more bikes, well, you know.
 
Then blame Yamaha for small grids. Maybe if they had supplied more bikes, well, you know.

And Suzuki. And Kawasaki. And hey, what about BMW, Aprilia, KTM?



Honda made the sport inhibitively expensive by demanding 800cc and 21 liters. Yamaha were their lap dog and went along with it. If Yamaha had decided they could charge 5 million for a bike, then they might have made more bikes as well.



But it doesn't change the fact that the factories, with Honda at their head, dug the hole the sport is currently in. To keep digging is not the solution.
 
And Suzuki. And Kawasaki. And hey, what about BMW, Aprilia, KTM?



Honda made the sport inhibitively expensive by demanding 800cc and 21 liters. Yamaha were their lap dog and went along with it. If Yamaha had decided they could charge 5 million for a bike, then they might have made more bikes as well.



But it doesn't change the fact that the factories, with Honda at their head, dug the hole the sport is currently in. To keep digging is not the solution.

Your starting to get the picture

My point all along was that Honda unfairly gets the blame for everything wrong in GP. No one held a gun to the other manufactureres head and made them go along . . They were wiiling participants. Dorna's meddling has had as much to do with the current state of affairs as anything in my eyes. I personally thing the series started downhill when they started trying to appease Rossi in the tire situation.
 
Your starting to get the picture

My point all along was that Honda unfairly gets the blame for everything wrong in GP. No one held a gun to the other manufactureres head and made them go along . . They were wiiling participants. Dorna's meddling has had as much to do with the current state of affairs as anything in my eyes. I personally thing the series started downhill when they started trying to appease Rossi in the tire situation.





A little - entirely unsubstantiated - story. For a long time, it looked like Ducati wouldn't go to Motegi, and would allow their riders and mechanics to stay home, unpunished. This did not please Honda. Honda told Ducati that if they ever wanted any particular piece of the technical regulations changed, Ducati might want to attend Motegi. Ducati came, testing restrictions were dropped, minimum weights went up. This is not an isolated incident.



Of course, that's leaving aside ridiculousness of the Chicken Little attitude that the Italians had towards radiation, but that's not the point.