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My Opinion On Valencia '06

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Look behind you....
Valencia:
The track itself is not in my opinion the best one to run the last race of the season on. Not enough overtaking opportunities, and while doubtless Spain brings in huge crowds, I think maybe the championship should end at Catalunya, Mugello or Jerez instead, which would lead to a more open and exciting race.

250CC:
I was thrilled to see Loca back on the podium, though I was disappointed for Hiro, I really thought he could have won that race. However if he had, there would have been no first victory in 25 podiums for Alex de Angelis. With all the drama of the day, De Angelis deserves congratulations and with resemblance to Elias's win last week, he deserves to not be entirely overshadowed. A brilliant race by De Angelis, he did get fairly lucky, you get the impression he was just dropping back from Loca and Hiro, but tactically he was faultless. Like I said, well done to Loca too, I really hope he gets a better bike/team next year. I loved seeing the teamwork between Barbera and Lorenzo, thats the kind of teamwork I like seeing.

MotoGP:
Congrats to Troy Bayliss, a superb ride from him, nobody could even get close to him on the day. Ditto Loris Capirossi, rode brilliantly and thoroughly deserved his second place.
I think Rossi just took a big knock, he's always had that psychological advantage that he does not make unforced errors, he's cool under pressure and a rider is less likely to fight with him than with KRJR for example. He just has that air of being superhuman. His crash was completely unforced and was a mistake, the kind nobody was expecting from Rossi. My guess is he was frustrated by not being able to get past Casey, and just got a bit too nervous too early on. He cracked under the pressure, and thats something he's not used to doing, I think it'll affect him badly next year.
Hayden as always is Mr Consistency, just doing what he needs to do and not above it and risking everything. Tactically he's the best rider out there in my opinion. He got five points more than Rossi, and by virtue of that, he both deserved and won the title. Congratulations Nicky!

Randy Mamola:
They were talking about some people on messageboards saying Nicky didn't deserve the title, and Randy said something about "Social inadequates who frequent chatrooms". I'll show you bloody social inadequate, I have a lot of friends..... <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%mostly from the internet but that doesn't prove anything!
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Welcome back.....I'll change your name back soon.............at least I continued posting with Dribbles
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Social inadequates who frequent chatrooms

I beleive it was Julian Ryder who said that - it made my blood boil!!!!!!!!!! I considered emailing them, but couldnt be bothered wasting my time.
 
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u guy's let these journo's ruffle ya up to much. don't u find it strange that the know about those so called "social inadequates". at's because they spend time surfin & reading what their knockin! http://www.motogpforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif they can just .... off!
 
Welcome back IR, long time no see.

I think Troy Bayliss rode an excellant race, he didn't put a wheel out of line once! Fair does to him, he's dominated World Superbike and he's dominated Valencia ahead of the 'big boys' on his one-off apperance back in Moto GP. Rossi was extremely unlucky AGAIN, but this time it was more of a rider error instead of mechanical error; although it could well of been a tyre problem or maybe he was just pushing too hard. Fair does to Nicky Hayden, he didn't care about finishing in P1 or P2 aslong as he won the championship and he did that just fine.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I loved seeing the teamwork between Barbera and Lorenzo, thats the kind of teamwork I like seeing.
I think you mean Lorenzo and Debon, with the latter tamponing Dovizioso. Barbera is a team mate of Lorenzo but would have loved to help Dovizioso instead!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>[Rossi] cracked under the pressure, and thats something he's not used to doing, I think it'll affect him badly next year.
Do you think so? I'd say that he's free now from having to chain championships in a row. Also, Yamaha 800 cc. is an uncertainty, so he's as free as he was when he moved out of Honda.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Randy Mamola:
They were talking about some people on messageboards saying Nicky didn't deserve the title, and Randy said something about "Social inadequates who frequent chatrooms".
Mamola is simpler than a cube, just try to ignore him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Oct 30 2006, 01:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think you mean Lorenzo and Debon, with the latter tamponing Dovizioso. Barbera is a team mate of Lorenzo but would have loved to help Dovizioso instead!
vespix i believe thats called sarcasm.
 
so after spending the morning recovering from too much Jack Daniels.. i've spnt the last fine and a half hours watching everything from morning warm up to the last subtitle from yesterdays eurosport coverage... so... here goes..

Well done to Nicky, clearly im gutted for Rossi but Hayden did deserve the title this year.. Fantastic from Bayliss, i wish he was back in GP's!!!

best part of the race for me was seeing the Hayden/Rossi handshake on the cool down lap, a great moment for 2 great sportsmen!

Bradley Smith, rookie of the year.. kick ... young man!!

cant think of anything else.. i have no clue what todo now untill March. its going to be a long hard winter.. we're going to have to form a GP version of AA or something to help us all through it haha next season will be fantastic, and how great that Movistar are back in the championship!!! i loved there livery.. especially the '05 seasons... bring it ON!!
 
Frosty, Vespix, both wrong. I do love seeing the kind of teamwork like what happened between Barbera and Lorenzo, and I meant Barbera. I cannot abide team orders, and like I said in my other thread, if it was up to me, all teams would have two people who can't stand each other. It encourages much better racing.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dan @ Oct 30 2006, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>cant think of anything else.. i have no clue what todo now untill March. its going to be a long hard winter.. we're going to have to form a GP version of AA or something to help us all through it haha next season will be fantastic, and how great that Movistar are back in the championship!!! i loved there livery.. especially the '05 seasons... bring it ON!!

we should all start planning the gp's who we will be visiting! by the time we've sorted things out, it'll be january
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I've said this last year too, I think I almost have my dad convinced to go to a foreign gp again. I told him the plane ticket prices, and he realy seems up for it!

he's still trying to decide to which we'll be going; since I'm the daughter, I've not realy a say in this, but I gave him the options: qatar, mugello, donnington, le mans or valencia
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didn't know bradley smith was rookie of the year, good job for him!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I cannot abide team orders, and like I said in my other thread, if it was up to me, all teams would have two people who can't stand each other. It encourages much better racing.
can't argue with that!
 
1. Welcome back!!!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valencia:
The track itself is not in my opinion the best one to run the last race of the season on. Not enough overtaking opportunities, and while doubtless Spain brings in huge crowds, I think maybe the championship should end at Catalunya, Mugello or Jerez instead, which would lead to a more open and exciting race.

Valncia suited hayden more then rossi as a final track...

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>MotoGP:
Congrats to Troy Bayliss, a superb ride from him, nobody could even get close to him on the day. Ditto Loris Capirossi, rode brilliantly and thoroughly deserved his second place.
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4 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Rossi just took a big knock, he's always had that psychological advantage that he does not make unforced errors, he's cool under pressure and a rider is less likely to fight with him than with KRJR for example. He just has that air of being superhuman. His crash was completely unforced and was a mistake, the kind nobody was expecting from Rossi. My guess is he was frustrated by not being able to get past Casey, and just got a bit too nervous too early on. He cracked under the pressure, and thats something he's not used to doing, I think it'll affect him badly next year.

rossi did two mistakes at valencia - one was at the start and then the second one was the crash - might have been the pressure kicking in for rossi... remind that he wasn't never in the position of fighting for his title in a decisive race... he allways won his titles early in the season.

5 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hayden as always is Mr Consistency, just doing what he needs to do and not above it and risking everything. Tactically he's the best rider out there in my opinion. He got five points more than Rossi, and by virtue of that, he both deserved and won the title. Congratulations Nicky!

you have a point there, but that isn't a tactics that made hayden people fav rider.. was a very pragmatique aproach... like in football with the italian teams: first defense well not receive any goals then think about any attack.
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6 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Elias Number 1 Fan @ Oct 30 2006, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Randy Mamola:
They were talking about some people on messageboards saying Nicky didn't deserve the title, and Randy said something about "Social inadequates who frequent chatrooms". I'll show you bloody social inadequate, I have a lot of friends..... <span style="font-size:8pt;line-height:100%mostly from the internet but that doesn't prove anything!
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Well Mamola is a Haydenbooper so there wasn't any surprise there....but honestly i remeber the phrase not who sayed that
 
I'm being informed it may have been Julian Ryder actually, so I'm not sure. It was one of the Eurosport team anyway.
 
Watching Lorenzo's fans apparently messing with his bike, Julian Ryder couldn't help but saying: 'You can't have a proper race in Spain without a bit of chaos'. My respect for thim faded considerably.

Does he understand the difference between a spontaneous manifestation of collective joy and chaos? I'd rather have nuts jumping incontrollably around than the hooligans at Donnington desperately trying to silence Pedrosa's win.
Sad Julian.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vespix @ Oct 30 2006, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd rather have nuts jumping incontrollably around than the hooligans at Donnington desperately trying to silence Pedrosa's win.
Sad Julian.

bit like the tossers at brands who jeered kiyonari after he beat haslam in BSB

i can't tell you how embarrassed i was

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Oh come on, he was having a laugh, just like with the "social inadequates" comment..... people can't do their jobs if they're so tightly restricted with what they can and can't say. He clearly didn't mean it seriously, he was excited for Lorenzo, just as he was defending Hayden winning the title.
 
Hum, Toby Moody rushed in to water the comment down by saying 'yes, well, there is chaos everywhere, in Mugello, Donnington,... this is motogp'.

We are in for a treat in the next five years, ladies and gentlement, with a strong HRC team, Rossi-Yamaha and Ducati and the rest of Honda snippers (Nakano, Stoner, Melandri, Stoner). And it can't only get better, with Lorenzo, Dovizioso, Bautista, Kallio, Aoyama et al maturing and moving up to motogp.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Oct 30 2006, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Welcome back IR, long time no see.

Rossi was extremely unlucky AGAIN, but this time it was more of a rider error instead of mechanical error; although it could well of been a tyre problem or maybe he was just pushing too hard.

Interesting. You characterize this as "unlucky" then you try to imply that it may have been an equipment problem (tyre). How is cracking under pressure and consequently taking yourself out like Rossi did "unlucky"?

Nice try on trying to rationalize that it might have been his tyre. But it had nothing to do with that and all to do with cracking under pressure.

Also, Hayden not electing to take P1 or P2 was a smart decision, though he very well could have taken the race, however, Hayden had the presence of mind to understand that the championship was more important, something that Rossi failed to consider which resulted in him making a race error. This is what makes champions, and this is one of the many reasons why Rossi is no longer the Champ.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Oct 30 2006, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Valncia suited hayden more then rossi as a final track...

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rossi did two mistakes at valencia - one was at the start and then the second one was the crash - might have been the pressure kicking in for rossi... remind that he wasn't never in the position of fighting for his title in a decisive race... he allways won his titles early in the season.


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Well Mamola is a Haydenbooper so there wasn't any surprise there....but honestly i remeber the phrase not who sayed that

Hi Capirex,

Interesting. Rossi has raced, practiced, won, many more times at Valencia then Hayden has ever. This sounds like rationalization for Hayden's performance and Rossi's crack under pressure (consequently throwing away title). How did this track favor Rossi if he has performed well there and has had ample experience at this track?

You call a former champion a Haydenbooper, I think this statement indicates more about your condescending view on Hayden (or maybe Rossi adoration) rather than Mamola's view.

Very few on this site can rap their minds around the fact that the better racer won this year's championship. As I read all the threads, many are filled with rationalizations and apologies for Rossi not winning. Paraphrasing, they say yeah Hayden won but Rossi deserved it. In effect, they reveal their inclination, they are not giving props to a much deserved champion.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Oct 30 2006, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>valentino rossi the true world champion x


You must be talking about an imaginary world. Because those of us in the real world realize that Nicky Hayden is the World MotoGP 2006 Champion.

I see you just can't get your mind rapped around that reality. I guess it works for ostrichs too when they stick their heads in the sand.
 

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