Mugello Moto 2

Iannone vs Espargaro - previous history between these two.



Brilliant win! Thoroughly deserved. Iannone was on fire.



Who'd wants to risk the lead out of Bucini last lap? Italian team, chassis and rider takes the Italian GP....You could certainly hear the crowd then. Maniac Joe for the title next year then a move to a Gresini quasi factory ride.

Arrabbiata1 said:

Iannone vs Espargaro - previous history between these two.



Brilliant win! Thoroughly deserved. Iannone was on fire.



Who'd wants to risk the lead out of Bucini last lap? Italian team, chassis and rider takes the Italian GP....You could certainly hear the crowd then. Maniac Joe for the title next year then a move to a Gresini quasi factory ride.

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Agree. Amazing race. Can't wait to see Iaanone on a big bike. Much more so than MM.

Gotta say Iannone seems to have a good open quality about him, not really crazy at all.

Fantastic race as ever, Crazy Joe looked incredible.



Would love to see him on a Motogp bike.

Elias ans Aspar have parted company today. They could not find a way to work together. How does this leave Elias for the rest of the season?

chopperman said:

Elias ans Aspar have parted company today. They could not find a way to work together. How does this leave Elias for the rest of the season?

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Man, after all the crap sprayed about Marquez having a bigger engine, more hp, unfair bla bla, what went on at Mugello? Ianone raid the Repsol parts bin? Dorna thought it would be good to give Italy something to cheer about? Especially after Spain thrashing them in GP, Moto3 and most recent Euro Champ!



Credit should be given to the people that played the part. Ianone and his TEAM were superb. Found the right settings for a complicated track. Team Marquez didnt get it right. They usually do.



Great race and not too much damage done to Marquez's lead.

chopperman said:

Elias ans Aspar have parted company today. They could not find a way to work together. How does this leave Elias for the rest of the season?

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Sorry to hear about Scud, was pretty .... watching him go nowhere fast though

After MotoGP, i count stomach much any racing. Reluctantly, i logged on to Moto2, and my joy for racing was renewed. Thank you Crazy Joe. I've never been a fan if any Moto2 riders, but this guy has broken through.



Great race, total battle between all the usual suspects. The right and most deserving rider took the win!



Baturo, i dont know what race u weee watching, but Andrea won by shear will and desire to win DESPITE DISADVANTAGES! Watch the damn race again, Marc passes at will on the straight, even noticeably sits up when he strategically doesnt want to pass. Andrea gets out powered by all of them, Pol, Luthi, and ESPECIALLY Marquez. Its so obvious and scandalous that neither fans nor media are on to this story. Well, i think i did read about it once on Kropos site, but it was then swept under rug with lame denials.



The only way Andrea had any chance was to take big risks into turn one. Which has caused him to crash in a previous race thanx to Marquez major acceleration advantage. Its visually so obvious that it appears in Braille on the screen. I get that ur rooting for ur countryman, but the disparity between the machine of Joe and the rest is a joke. Btw, Marquez smartly dialed it back because of that great save that probably made him .... his pants. Speaking of which, everybody gets on Marc for dangerous riding, but i submit people take a closer look at PEspargaro, who is exactly identical to Marquez in this regard. I saw two .... moves, one lucky he didnt take out a leader. That scrap with Luthi some may say was on Tom, but they would be dead wrong as it with camera-crybaby-Pol who closed the line. Luthi being perhaps a bit more sensible on the day let Pol take the space.



I will say, Moto2 is certainly entertaining, but i am reminded why we have dangerous riders in MotoGP. All of whom almost to a man cut their teeth in the lower category with the .... blessing of race direction. Theyve learned and been trained to retake with no regard to consequence (Stephen Bradl). Anyway, im ranting now, but i really just logged on to say...



Go ....... Crazy Joe!

Not much to do with being a countryman Jumkie. I´m a global mutt, split between Minnesota and Spain. Lived in Germany and Japan for good parts of my life, so apart from not living in Italy I have "countrymen" ties to most guys out there. Even living in Spain I have quite unbiassed views of all the riders!



Jumkie, I think yourself and a few are a bit fixated with Marquez, that and the fact that he gets quite a bit of "air time" on track gives us all the chance to see more of him. Unfortunately for you, they don´t go to Laguna. So we see more of him sitting up in a draft than other riders in battles going on usualy behind him. But honestly, they all do it, all of them. It only depends on the position of the rider, but at the end of the straight they can all sit up. Maybe not as constant of obvious as Maquez, but that may have more to do with maneurisms for all we know. Lüthi stays in a tuck longer... Maybe it´s to give a false sense to other riders that his bike is on the limit. Keeping in the tuck longer definitly has to help Redding out, as him popping up is a huge sheet in the wind.



Oh, and quite clever

Jumkie said:

the disparity between the machine of Joe and the rest is a joke.

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No longer Marquez getting all the goodies?? Now it´s everyone except Ianone?? Funny that in Moto 2s first year, Ianones bike was heavily looked over and many informal complaints were made by teams.



If what you claim is happening, It would not be overlooked.

Jumkie said:

I will say, Moto2 is certainly entertaining, but i am reminded why we have dangerous riders in MotoGP. All of whom almost to a man cut their teeth in the lower category with the .... blessing of race direction. Theyve learned and been trained to retake with no regard to consequence (Stephen Bradl). Anyway, im ranting now, but i really just logged on to say...

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You just cant accept that Nicky got beat by a rookie, and that Bradl made a perfectly clean hard pass. Nicky blinked, and lost out....its Racing....Bradl deserves the credit for not blinking and taking the position back....maybe Nicky isnt up to the challenge anymore....

so now bradl is the typical moto2 hothead?wtf?seeing him retake the postion was a pleasure to me,it showed he could show his will if needed and not just yield.

he's as clean as you like and i dare say you can go watch the 2010 and 2011 moto2 season all over again and you won't find a single botched overtaking by bradl.

also his name is STEFAN BRADL

not stephane bradle or wtf ever. guys its not so hard.

already annoying enough people are not capable of pronouncing jorge (whore-gay) or barbera (not barbara),no reason to .... up the spelling on purpose or because of ignorance

Baturro, fair take, i disagree. Marcs has far and above the best bike and power in what is suppose to be a "spec engine" series. Andrea has to ride on limit, taking huge risks, just to keep up. And the delusions will continue when the sport insists, as Ezy has acted as the personal agent of Marc, Pedro, and Rossi, to prop up these riders with the best everything fooling most to think they are "aliens". But the lesson of 2011/12 continue to be ignored despite them being slapped on all our faces.



Migs, ur opinion has never meant much to me. Seriously, last years Pink was more insightful than u.



Cliche, Steffin Bridels move hung Nicky out. Thats what Moto2 riders resort to when they cant or are unwilling to pass cleanly, they force the issue and let others deal with consequence. Its a Euro style of racing i guess.

Jumkie said:

Migs, ur opinion has never meant much to me. Seriously, last years Pink was more insightful than u.



Cliche, Steffin Bridels move hung Nicky out. Thats what Moto2 riders resort to when they cant or are unwilling to pass cleanly, they force the issue and let others deal with consequence. Its a Euro style of racing i guess.

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Dude, your boy got beat fair and square....and he paid the consequences for not being able to defend his position....if Nicky had been able to defend and keep his spot or even passed Dovi, you would have claimed Hayden as the Messiah...in short, NH wasnt up to battling with Bradl (and Rossi and Cal)....

you're not serious about this are you?where did he hang heijden out?whats the difference between stefans move and niklas blocking jorge in aragon 2010?

ok that was a rhetorical question. jorge was clever enough to yield and at least try to get the drive whereas hayden tried to stay with him on the outside.bit stupid but understandable.

kudos to him for trying but saying that was a moto2 move,let alone blaming stefan for hanging nicky out is just not senisble.

Only thing we disagree on really is wether or not Marquez's team is allowed to cheat or not by the race organizers.



If that were to be true, explain the lack of a .... storm from any other moto2 team. Those other teams battling for the Championship also include P Esp. Pons Racing (I agree with you Jumkie that he's an emotional pansy ass) This team is owned by Sito Pons. Another clown with huge power in the Spanish/motorcycle seen. Not a peep from them.



These guys don't couch manage on Sundays like we do, they, if anyone can detect a cheat they can, and I imagine would be uncovered.



Next race try not noticing Marquez Jumkie! Probably hard since he's usually battling at the front, but whenever there is a group of riders coming down a straight, the guys following ALWAYS can pull up as some point during the straight. There has been a few side by side drags between Marquez and others and only initially may he pull away but then the gap remains.

Mig, any rider can do what Bradl did, on every attempt to pass. That is, brake later and dive inside forcing the other rider out. Casey resorted to this on Bautista. While Casey is being hammered for it, Bradl is being praised for it. Whats the difference? That rather than make contact Nicky was smart enough to concede the space that was taken? This isn't MX dude (and even there its dastardly dirty). Most people dislike Casey, that's why he's being racked through the coal, and no opnions have been made on Bradl except that he is a nice kid with good talent. But his move was .... and no different than Stoner (who Clishe said was a dangerous move) because it left the other rider no room. Three passes, 1. Nickys, 2. Bradls, 3. Caseys, two left the other rider with no room, while one was clean and did not disrupt the other rider's line (review the three passes if you have any real honest analysis for racing moves). I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference, nor Clishe actually.



Clishe, comparing it to Nicky's move on Lorenzo at Aragon, i'm laughing at you. Again, three passes to compare (four counting your Aragon one) only Nickys did NOT disrupt the line or momentum of the other rider (read that again, did not disrupt the other riders momentum while taking the race line). That is called clean racing, something Euros learn is weak but cry like chickenshit babies when its done to them (Bautista giving Casey the finger on warmdown lap). Did you hear Nicky complain of Bradls move? No. Thats the difference between a clean racer and the divebombing Euro style.



Baturro, Marc isn't the only one with special go fast parts. But his is rather stunningly obvious. I think gay-porn-Pol has fast bits too. Its the GP style to prop up certain riders, especially those deemed important to the series. I suppose you think its just coincidence that all the top machines and rider combos in the four categories are Spanish, but I don't. I will give you that motoracing is important to Spain and they support it, so naturally they would have a large representation, but the overwhelmingness is an outlier. And where there are outliers, there are usually 'lies'.

Jumkie said:

Clishe, comparing it to Nicky's move on Lorenzo at Aragon, i'm laughing at you. Again, three passes to compare (four counting your Aragon one) only Nickys did NOT disrupt the line or momentum of the other rider (read that again, did not disrupt the other riders momentum while taking the race line). That is called clean racing, something Euros learn is weak but cry like chickenshit babies when its done to them (Bautista giving Casey the finger on warmdown lap). Did you hear Nicky complain of Bradls move? No. Thats the difference between a clean racer and the divebombing Euro style.

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now you're just being a mean junkie



theres a slight difference between stoner/bautista and bradl/hayden, bautista was already leaning into the corner when stoner was still on the brakes which resulted in casey running into his shoulder.

bradl started braking right alongside hayden.my point is hayden could have been a bit more clever there by braking a bit harder to be finished with it a little earlier and then try to pull it onto the inside.

i've watched the aragon pass again btw, can't say i agree that lorenzos line wasn'T disrupted by hayden.bit of a far stretch by me to bring that into the debate ,i admit that, but still.

it really wasn't like bradl came out of no where and almost rammed nicky off,no way.



about marquez, i don't think theres extra hp there either. would be far too easy to confirm by claiming the engine.

that hes on the best suter chassis is a given

Sorry, don't mean to hurt your feelings. First of all, Bradl is a nice kid, very well spoken and humble in his interviews. Very German unlike other mainland Euros actually (that's a compliment). But he cut his teeth in Moto2, hence the style of his racing will have flashes of this style (I'm told in soccer, which I don't follow, there is a Euro style for example distinct to an American style? If by "style" they mean that Spanish players fall on the ground pretending to be hurt, then I guess I've noticed it ). Anyway, I hardly ever notice these kinds of passes in US racing. We had something similar happen a couple years ago and after that you'd think the world was coming to an end, that is, most overtaking here is done without contact or distruption of others lines. When it does happen, people deff notice it. Where as in the lower GP categories, its par for the course. Not only accepted but encouraged. Thats what I mean by Bradl being a typical Moto2 rider, not saying hes like the worst offenders (Marc/Pol).



Stoners and Bradls passes were identical, that is, both broke late and used their bike as a wedge to distrupt the outside rider. Caseys 'looked' worse but that's because Bautista insisted on leaning in (dumb actually, as the contact could have sent him skittling off the track) while Nicky forced out used a bit more track to concede the space. There was nothing Hayden could do, was taking the correct line through that corner (see Dovi's entry, identical to Haydens) ; Bradl simply dove inside (quite dramatic different line to Hayden/Dovi) and use his bike as a wedge (while it appeared Stoner used Baustista as a berm, that's only because the actions of Bautista and Hayden were different).

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haha just joking man.my only beef is with americans/english that don't want to pronounce and spell names properly.



as long as you acknowledge that hayden and bradl where more or less side by side when they started braking as opposed to bautista who was quite a bit in front of casey we can agree here