Michelin

How can a tyre company like michelin make such a huge mistake as to not bring soft enough compound tyres to a race meeting?
Having your riders go out on intermediates, when it's sunny with no chance of rain because they couldn't get heat in the tyres is one of the stupidest mistakes I've ever seen. Heads should roll over this one. Didn't they learn anything from last year? They are an embarrassment.

all the complaining last year was because the tyres were too soft and didn't last the race.

they cannot test there, what did you expect them to do?

This is pathetic on so many levels.
How do you bring the wrong tires to the racetrack.
They've completely screwed half the paddock.
It's one thing if their tires were the deciding factor in a race but to have the right tires and not bring them is defenitely a heads will roll incident.
This is the one race this year where someone other than Stoner,Peter or Rossi could win and now there is no way that is going to happen.
Not only that if they are going out on tires that completely don't suit the conditions isn't that a bit dangerous.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jul 20 2008, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can a tyre company like michelin make such a huge mistake as to not bring soft enough compound tyres to a race meeting?
Having your riders go out on intermediates, when it's sunny with no chance of rain because they couldn't get heat in the tyres is one of the stupidest mistakes I've ever seen. Heads should roll over this one. Didn't they learn anything from last year? They are an embarrassment.

Maybe the control tyre theory is right and I would have to concede that only a company like Bridgestone (or Pirelli) are capable of it though.

Or is it that Michelin have already conceded this year and with Dani injured they have hit the cruise control setting

Until I read this I thought Valentino was fickle for dumping them

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Jul 20 2008, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe the control tyre theory is right and I would have to concede that only a company like Bridgestone (or Pirelli) are capable of it though.

Or is it that Michelin have already conceded this year and with Dani injured they have hit the cruise control setting

Until I read this I thought Valentino was fickle for dumping them
It's starting to look like Rossi was 1 year to a couple of years ahead of everyone else in seeing the problem and doing something about it

I'm wondering if part of Pedro's decision was based on the fact that even if he went out and tried to race he had no chance of competing with these tires

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 20 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>they cannot test there, what did you expect them to do?
A better ....... job.

“They admitted they got it wrong,” Hayden said. “It was pretty, pretty hot yesterday, to be honest with you in the box. I think everybody was quite frustrated, especially my home race.

“Yesterday, one thing they told me is there something we can do to the bike to get more heat in the tires? And I was like, oh my god, I’ve never heard this in my life. Normally they’re the opposite. Tell him to quit spinning, he’s going to have to do something or he won’t finish."

Yes ok they screwed up. But you have to admit this is the first race this season that there has been any real tyre advantage to speak of. It's just unfortunate that it happened at the same track last year.
It seems that they over compensated by going too hard after their tyre degradation issues last year.

Perhaps due to the difficulties associated with tyre wear or lack of it at this track, they should test at least a few days prior and not come and race 1 week from Europe.

Judging by what Jules Ryder wrote on Soup, Nicky had actually seen Laguna tyre test data from the AMA a few weeks ago and had filled in Michelin on that.
Also judging by Jules comments, the teams had requested softer tyres only to find upon arrival in the US that Michelin hadn't brought them.

If any Michie guys make it to the podium I will be extremely pleased. It could make for a fun second half of the race though (behind Stoner)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vale4607 @ Jul 20 2008, 07:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A better ....... job.

Perfect.

dorna need to a take a leaf out of formula 1's book... get michelin binned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Jul 20 2008, 05:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's starting to look like Rossi was 1 year to a couple of years ahead of everyone else in seeing the problem and doing something about it

I'm wondering if part of Pedro's decision was based on the fact that even if he went out and tried to race he had no chance of competing with these tires
I think there is a quote from dani more or less saying this.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Jul 20 2008, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How can a tyre company like michelin make such a huge mistake as to not bring soft enough compound tyres to a race meeting?
Having your riders go out on intermediates, when it's sunny with no chance of rain because they couldn't get heat in the tyres is one of the stupidest mistakes I've ever seen. Heads should roll over this one. Didn't they learn anything from last year? They are an embarrassment.
It seems as though they were expecting the same extreme freak conditions as '06.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jul 20 2008, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It seems as though they were expecting the same extreme freak conditions as '06.
Have the stupid mother fuckers ever heard of a weather report.This is a damn shame,Michelin ...... the USGP in F1 and now they have done it again Moto Gp

Here's the quotes from Julian Ryder on Superbikeplanet.com

I got it wrong yesterday, in fact I got it 180-degrees wrong. Looking at the single fast laps Michelin riders managed I assumed they were running soft tyres. Then I looked at the lap charts. In fact they got their single fast laps in at the end of long runs. The truth is the Michelins don't get any heat in them for nearly ten laps. Nicky had to do seven laps yesterday before he got his knee down. Nicky, Dovi' and Edwards' single fast times on Friday came at the end of runs of up to fifteen laps.

This morning we were treated to the unprecedented sight of Nicky going out for the morning session on an intermediate rear tyre. Not a cut slick, a full-on intermediate - and he was 'struggling' to get heat into that.

James Toseland (and, I assume, others) will have to use an intermediate for warm-up tomorrow morning because he only had two tyres in his allocation that stand even a chance of making him competitive on race day. One got used at the end of this morning's session and again at the start of this afternoon's qualifying. The other goes in for the race tomorrow. Nicky Hayden is in a similar situation. Jorge Lorenzo says he would need 'a miracle' to finish fourth or fifth.

Neither Nicky nor anyone else I have talked to can remember inters' being used on a dry track at a Grand Prix. To make matters worse, Nicky had seen data from the AMA tyre test here three weeks ago. They showed the track wasn't producing good times and was not using up tyres. He knew they'd need soft rubber.

Michelin's woes overshadowed yet another stunning performance by Casey Stoner, who, when asked if he had any doubts about his race, gave a one-word answer: 'None.' The two men who look like they could give him a race are Valentino Rossi and Chris Vermeulen, although the Aussie gave himself a tough job (again) by qualifying on the third row -- he set his best lap on race tyres. He's got the race pace but Laguna is a difficult place to pass.

ENDS

This looks like an incredibly amateurish mistake for such company...

But I guess that if NASA can destroy a probe sent to Mars by mixing centimeters and inches together, anything is possible.

Unbelieveable I hope someone got the sack over that.

LOL, this reminds me of the huger error Michelin made in F1 in 2005 at Indianapolis.

It seems the complainers are Nicky fans... would Nicky have beat Dovi anyway?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 20 2008, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It seems the complainers are Nicky fans... would Nicky have beat Dovi anyway?


Dovi is becoming more and more comfortable on that bike, watch this space.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (an4rew @ Jul 20 2008, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It seems the complainers are Nicky fans... would Nicky have beat Dovi anyway?


im a nick fan, and I've not complained about anything.