Michelin was better than Bridgestone hands down in F1. (my opinion)
Bridgestone HAS caught up to Michelin in some tracks and still lag in others. We have just been to mostly BS favored tracks, not Michelin-ready tracks.
Bridgestone HAS caught up to Michelin in some tracks and still lag in others. We have just been to mostly BS favored tracks, not Michelin-ready tracks.
Jerez is a Mich track... last year they got a bad score... this year.. well.. they got a good mold..
Bstone will definitely improve given their biggo Jappo methology
Bstone will definitely improve given their biggo Jappo methology
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Apr 24 2007, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It was twice last year, and now this. How come this is only happening to Valetino? Someone spitting into the mold when Vale's tires being made?
Errr KR JR had a .... one too.
Errr KR JR had a .... one too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l13eaw @ Apr 25 2007, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Errr KR JR had a .... one too.
Really, a poor choice or faulty tire? I am interested to know whats going on, are Michelin making construction errors because they are stretching their resources to keep up? or are certain bikes/riders causing damage to their tires somehow, or is it a crazy coincidence that hopefully will not be seen again.
Really, a poor choice or faulty tire? I am interested to know whats going on, are Michelin making construction errors because they are stretching their resources to keep up? or are certain bikes/riders causing damage to their tires somehow, or is it a crazy coincidence that hopefully will not be seen again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 25 2007, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Really, a poor choice or faulty tire? I am interested to know whats going on, are Michelin making construction errors because they are stretching their resources to keep up? or are certain bikes/riders causing damage to their tires somehow, or is it a crazy coincidence that hopefully will not be seen again.
http://www.teamkr.com/index.cfm?p=news_5
Check out Team Kr Website and what Kenny said after race about tyre. What he should have done was come in and changed it right at the start, but hindsight is a wonderful thing aint it.
Liz
http://www.teamkr.com/index.cfm?p=news_5
Check out Team Kr Website and what Kenny said after race about tyre. What he should have done was come in and changed it right at the start, but hindsight is a wonderful thing aint it.
Liz
Looks like these new tire rules are making things a gamble huh?
I think that once we get to the tracks that these teams know very well we will see less of these kinds of things.
I think that once we get to the tracks that these teams know very well we will see less of these kinds of things.
When Rossi's tire problems became apparent I thought they were due to his first lap run off when he ran wide on the really fast right hander. I bet running off like that didn't help the right side of his tire very much, especially at those speed. Maybe that had something to do with it? That was my first thought.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Desmo_16 @ Apr 28 2007, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When Rossi's tire problems became apparent I thought they were due to his first lap run off when he ran wide on the really fast right hander. I bet running off like that didn't help the right side of his tire very much, especially at those speed. Maybe that had something to do with it? That was my first thought.
I am not sure about this Desmo, because a lot of riders have ran out of track, even into the gravel, very strongly and come back and sometimes even set the fastest lap of a race. Some of them (not as many) have started to overtake after they went out, with better concentration after a wakeup call. Rossi at Istanbul, even if it was at high speed, did not go out that bad because of all that runoff area. In addition, Roberts had a problem with his back tyre too!
Too many coincidences with tyres that affect the Championship, Michelin brought crappy tyres to Istanbul, maybe considering a new material or something… They’ll get their act together.
I am not sure about this Desmo, because a lot of riders have ran out of track, even into the gravel, very strongly and come back and sometimes even set the fastest lap of a race. Some of them (not as many) have started to overtake after they went out, with better concentration after a wakeup call. Rossi at Istanbul, even if it was at high speed, did not go out that bad because of all that runoff area. In addition, Roberts had a problem with his back tyre too!
Too many coincidences with tyres that affect the Championship, Michelin brought crappy tyres to Istanbul, maybe considering a new material or something… They’ll get their act together.
Personally i think Rossi and Kr Jr both got faulty rubber.It happens from time to time,like last year when his rear Michelin started to chunk,can't remember which track it was,but can remember marbles of the rear tyre flying off.Add to this the fact that Bridgestone are making big moves with their tyres,would be interesting to see if any of the big teams switch to the Jap rubber next year?
I know its too early now to say which tires will be the ones to have next year. However it occured to me that tire supplier may become a serious factor affecting which team Jorge Lorenzo choses to enter motogp with. If he wants Bridgestone he may have to look outside factory yamaha, unless Rossi wants bridgestones too.....................
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (250stroker @ Apr 28 2007, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Personally i think Rossi and Kr Jr both got faulty rubber.It happens from time to time,like last year when his rear Michelin started to chunk,can't remember which track it was,but can remember marbles of the rear tyre flying off.Add to this the fact that Bridgestone are making big moves with their tyres
i remember when it was bridgestone that use to bring the faulty tires. but theirs had a nasty habit of exploding!
i remember when it was bridgestone that use to bring the faulty tires. but theirs had a nasty habit of exploding!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Desmo_16 @ Apr 28 2007, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When Rossi's tire problems became apparent I thought they were due to his first lap run off when he ran wide on the really fast right hander. I bet running off like that didn't help the right side of his tire very much, especially at those speed. Maybe that had something to do with it? That was my first thought.
Thank god someone else knows whats going on. You can't even begin to blame a tire manfucturer when the racer in question hit unfamiliar terra firma at 250kph. Furthermore, he got back on the track by making a RIGHT HAND turn off the astroturf service road at 200kph on cold tires.
Rossi is fighting the gremlins and anyone stupid enough to take blame for that deserves to be relegated to the 2nd best manufacturer.
There has been only one obvious recent Michelin failure for Rossi and that was at China last year when the front tire delaminated and fell to pieces. All the other times, it was tire failure caused by the constant driveline lash and chatter in the abysmal 06 Yamaha.
The press wants it to be a Michelin problem because the tire war is the hot story of the season, but in reality Rossi had a high speed off that probably compromised the tire's integrity.
Case closed. Quit fluffing Rossi and get back to your daily routine.
Thank god someone else knows whats going on. You can't even begin to blame a tire manfucturer when the racer in question hit unfamiliar terra firma at 250kph. Furthermore, he got back on the track by making a RIGHT HAND turn off the astroturf service road at 200kph on cold tires.
Rossi is fighting the gremlins and anyone stupid enough to take blame for that deserves to be relegated to the 2nd best manufacturer.
There has been only one obvious recent Michelin failure for Rossi and that was at China last year when the front tire delaminated and fell to pieces. All the other times, it was tire failure caused by the constant driveline lash and chatter in the abysmal 06 Yamaha.
The press wants it to be a Michelin problem because the tire war is the hot story of the season, but in reality Rossi had a high speed off that probably compromised the tire's integrity.
Case closed. Quit fluffing Rossi and get back to your daily routine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 29 2007, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Rossi is fighting the gremlins and anyone stupid enough to take blame for that deserves to be relegated to the 2nd best manufacturer.
The press wants it to be a Michelin problem because the tire war is the hot story of the season, but in reality Rossi had a high speed off that probably compromised the tire's integrity.
Case closed. Quit fluffing Rossi and get back to your daily routine.
I wonder why Michelin even bother investigating the tire problem as long as they jus could come to this forum and get the answere?
The press wants it to be a Michelin problem because the tire war is the hot story of the season, but in reality Rossi had a high speed off that probably compromised the tire's integrity.
Case closed. Quit fluffing Rossi and get back to your daily routine.
I wonder why Michelin even bother investigating the tire problem as long as they jus could come to this forum and get the answere?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Apr 29 2007, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder why Michelin even bother investigating the tire problem as long as they jus could come to this forum and get the answere?
Because motogp is a business. Michelin is obligated to investigate because they are under contract with their teams. Furthermore, they probably have to investigate to keep the governing body happy.
I didn't give an answer. I said Rossi probably damaged his tire in the off. The only thing is said is that we'll never know why the tire failed because their are two independent variables in the test.
That's not very controversial. If you wanna blame it on Michelin you can, but youre just fluffing Rossi after a bad race.
Because motogp is a business. Michelin is obligated to investigate because they are under contract with their teams. Furthermore, they probably have to investigate to keep the governing body happy.
I didn't give an answer. I said Rossi probably damaged his tire in the off. The only thing is said is that we'll never know why the tire failed because their are two independent variables in the test.
That's not very controversial. If you wanna blame it on Michelin you can, but youre just fluffing Rossi after a bad race.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 29 2007, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because motogp is a business. Michelin is obligated to investigate because they are under contract with their teams. Furthermore, they probably have to investigate to keep the governing body happy.
I didn't give an answer. I said Rossi probably damaged his tire in the off. The only thing is said is that we'll never know why the tire failed because their are two independent variables in the test.
That's not very controversial. If you wanna blame it on Michelin you can, but youre just fluffing Rossi after a bad race.
So then Robert's 'back tyre problem' was like one in a billion coincidence?
In addition, Michelin admited that it must have been out of manufacturing process and not from the material itself, if it had to do with the run off, it would have taken bits of 'the material'...
"A source from within Michelin has commented that Rossi’s recent tyre problems may have been caused by a manufacturing problem rather than anything inherently wrong with the tyre’s design".
Anyway, want controversy, why did it took Hayden a whole lap to overtake if the tyre (whatever the reason) was falling to peaces at the time?
I guess it can just keep on going... We can all see from our points of view, that's what makes it great!
I didn't give an answer. I said Rossi probably damaged his tire in the off. The only thing is said is that we'll never know why the tire failed because their are two independent variables in the test.
That's not very controversial. If you wanna blame it on Michelin you can, but youre just fluffing Rossi after a bad race.
So then Robert's 'back tyre problem' was like one in a billion coincidence?
In addition, Michelin admited that it must have been out of manufacturing process and not from the material itself, if it had to do with the run off, it would have taken bits of 'the material'...
"A source from within Michelin has commented that Rossi’s recent tyre problems may have been caused by a manufacturing problem rather than anything inherently wrong with the tyre’s design".
Anyway, want controversy, why did it took Hayden a whole lap to overtake if the tyre (whatever the reason) was falling to peaces at the time?
I guess it can just keep on going... We can all see from our points of view, that's what makes it great!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 29 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Because motogp is a business. Michelin is obligated to investigate because they are under contract with their teams. Furthermore, they probably have to investigate to keep the governing body happy.
You continue to surprice me. You even have the wording of all the michelin contracts? wow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I didn't give an answer. I said Rossi probably damaged his tire in the off. The only thing is said is that we'll never know why the tire failed because their are two independent variables in the test.
"No answere", "probably", "never know"
Strange, that's very different from how I read your previous post.
Maybe it's just me but it looked more like "Only an idot would blame the tire after Rossi's run-off" slightly rephrased of course
You continue to surprice me. You even have the wording of all the michelin contracts? wow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I didn't give an answer. I said Rossi probably damaged his tire in the off. The only thing is said is that we'll never know why the tire failed because their are two independent variables in the test.
"No answere", "probably", "never know"
Strange, that's very different from how I read your previous post.
Maybe it's just me but it looked more like "Only an idot would blame the tire after Rossi's run-off" slightly rephrased of course
